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  • #80625
    Patrick
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    Hi I’m Patrick, 41, Project manager . I never had a love affair except for 9 months, 2,5 years ago. I know love, but except for that one time it was always one-sided. The girls never knew it. Nobody actually. This silence gnaws at me. I’m dying for love and intimacy but I have no idea how I should let this wish come true. Who wants me?

    I feel a huge gap between myself and the courting people around me, a gap that is getting bigger and bigger as I get older and all of my friends are getting married and have kids. I keep this all to myself. I am quite sensitive and a perfectionist, so I do not want to come across as a wimp. But the lack of promising contacts pains as hell. How did I end up here anyway?

    Now I read these lines again, I become suddenly aware of the pressure of the masks I wear. Still, the pressure is not great enough to go to the doctor. The idea to tell you how my life is …. the ultimate embarrassment.

    Yes, I have good job, actually I’m doing very well. In fact, if you look at me you don’t see anything. What I don’t understand is that nobody is noticing that I am so clumsy around women, I don’t feel free, that I feel worthless as a man. I usually fall completely silent in the presence of women. I touch no one, feel like an idiot when it comes to discussions about sex and relationships. I’m good enough for “the good friend”, with a bit of luck, at least.

    I can’t be pleased with a successful date also, because what if she is in to me and wants to go home.

    I hardly know how a woman’s body really looks like except from pictures and porn. I watch a couple of times per week and then I have to put it with myself, which is starting to break me. I do have feelings of lust but slowly I’m beginning to bore myself, my body becomes numb. How a women’s body feels is beyond my imagination. I do not know what to expect.

    The vicious circle is driving me crazy.. At the same time the lack of skin-to-skin contact feels even more painful. My desire for intimacy is strong, but how do I fulfill it? I see no possibilities to make something good of my life. Every time I stop out of sheer fear. I know very well that this is the actual reason.

    Should I continue to live a double life? I don’t confide to anybody, except for my sister in law. I bear this vicious circle by myself, as always. Yes, I must admit that I now feel pretty lonely.

    As I re-read these paragraphs, I notice that I feel a strange urge to open the door of this prison. I long for a world that understands me, recognizes my problems. To a world that offers solutions. But it hurts to see myself as stuck as this. How can I break free and find real romantic love for the first time?

    #80647
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Patrick:

    Your strong desire, the strange urge as you put it, to open the door of this prison, that desire is blocked by fear, fear of feeling pain. You feel the pain anyway but you are afraid of feeling it more acutely, more intensely, afraid it will crush you. That fear is pushing the prison door against you. So you push and it pushes and you are stuck inside.

    Psychotherapy, good psychotherapist- I see no other way. Need to learn skills to manage fear, to tolerate it, to endure it, to regulate it and other emotions. With the fear being so strong and you not being experienced in managing it, what chance do you stand? Appreciate the magnitude of the fear-

    anita

    #80648
    Anonymous
    Guest

    P.S. Tell more about the fear, if you’d like.
    anita

    #80658
    Patrick
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I examined this fear already. I think it is a fear of not being good enough. We recently found out that my brother, who is 3 years older than me, has Asperger. During my childhood I always had to compete with him. I also was already overweight as a child. I recentst lost 25kg. And still working to reach my first goal of 99kg. But I always got critisized by my farther that I had to do something about my weight. This weight problem but also being bald at the age of 20 and having hear on places you don’t want it to grow and needing glasses made me feel unattractive. This together with only being rejected by girls fueled this fear of not being good enough. I just can’t open up to people in general and particulariteit not to women. I want to but at the moment I can’t. I just freeze.

    Patrick

    #80661
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Patrick:

    Fear is powerful. Only the experience of being loved by a woman can pacify that fear. It is like needing a job but you can’t get the job unless you have experience in the field. But how do you get the experience if you don’t get a job- the chicken and the egg thing. Two and a half years ago you had a nine month relationship with a woman- was there any love there from her to you…? Any love experience that can be helpful to you?

    anita

    #80670
    Patrick
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    At first I thought she really loved me. But after a few months I was fighting a battle I could not win. She was constantly comparing me with her ex boy friend. This was the reason we broke up for the first time. After a couple of weeks we got back together, but it was as if I was sitting next to an ice cold person. In the end we decided that the relationship was not going to work. This was my only experience at romantic love.

    Patrick

    #80671
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Patrick:

    In your original post you wrote: “I know love, but except for that one time it was always one-sided.” Here you wrote; “At first I thought she really loved me. But after a few months…” There was something there- something there before it went south. You got to have something in that relationship to put on your resume, if you put one together, a relationship resume. What WAS there, give me something that was there…?

    anita

    #80922
    Patrick
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I visited my doctor. He has given me a referral for psychotherapy. It is giving me mixed feelings. I’m not feeling well because now I think that something really is wrong with me. That I need to be fixed. On the other hand the idea that I’m asking for and getting help is giving me a sence of rest.

    I’ll answer your other questions in a short while. First I need to let this sink in.

    Patrick

    #80924
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Patrick:

    It is my hope that the psychotherapy you will be attending is of high quality or good-enough. I hope that the psychotherapist available to you is capable and hard working. His or her performance as a professional is not going to be perfect but I do hope he or she will be good enough to be significantly helpful to you, starting you on your way of healing, giving you the tools, helping you with the insight you need and so forth. No wonder you have mixed feelings. Even if it is the best therapist you can have, it means you will engage in the healing process and that will entail feeling pain, or being more aware of the pain that is already there. But doing it slowly (the way to be done in good therapy), at your own pace, gradually as you learn the skills to endure more awareness of the pain that is already there- over time- you will feel better and better. (and worse in between the better and better).

    About “something is wrong with me”- dear Patrick, this is it. This is the pain, the bit of awareness of it, again: something is wrong with me. This is the distorted core belief. It is not true, but… you believe it and it hurts. A year ago, walking in the woods it occured to me and I said it aloud with astonishment (I walked alone): “There is nothing wrong with me! There is nothing wrong with me3!” I was 53 and the concept that there was nothing wrong with me was new and surprising and baffling. ANd it took a year after that announcement to the trees around me, a year after and this concept is sinking in still, but more deeply. This is the nature of healing.

    Till later:
    anita

    #80997
    Patrick
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    You asked me about my relationship resume. I’ll have a go:

    I wrote her a love letter by hand.
    I sent her a poem I wrote.
    Because of her I was capable of loosing 25kg. She did not force me. I guess it was the good feeling I had
    We spent quality time with her kids.
    We could cuddle for hours on the couch.
    She was the first women I romantically kissed.
    We walked hand in hand in the street.

    Is this what you are looking for?

    Patrick

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by Patrick.
    #81022
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Patrick:

    Yes, this is a good relationship resume. I like it very much. it is endearing. I like the walking hand in hand, the romantic kissing, the cuddling, the quallity time with her kids, the losing of weight not because of pressure but because you felt good… the poem, the love letter. All these are quality activities, loving, lovely. You do have a romantic relationship experience. Some people may have more to write on their resumes, but that may be their rushing to have things to write, a pressure within. You did things because you felt good, no rush. It was the real thing.

    You have experience. You have a starting point for the future, experience for the occupation you desire (occupation, that is being a party to love with a woman). Now, where do you go from here?

    anita

    #81076
    Patrick
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Where do I go from here? That is the question I’m asking myself for almost 2,5 years.

    Altough it took me quite some time to put this list together, I do agree that I have some experience. However the key thing that is missing is the flirting, approaching women, reading the signs that a women likes me. Therefore I tried online dating, but with not much succes either. It even got frustrating in the end.

    I wish I could do something about my approach anxiety, but my lack of self esteem and confidence with women is preventing that. I hope the psychotherapy is going to help in that department. I guess I need to do the things I like on my own like hiking in nature, going to the gym, reading and catching a movie. And do my best in therapy and get happy again and learn to be patient.

    Patrick

    #81105
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Patrick:

    Psychotherapy is a great idea and I hope you find a good-enough therapist and that it goes well. I think that online dating can be a good idea if you plan how to use it this time. It was very therapeutic for me personally, the online dating I did in 2009 and it lead to my real psychotherapy in 2011. If you do the online dating the right way, it can bring you the further experience that you need.

    When you put together your profile on the dating website, you can state your weight which is a concern of yours and even some of your other concerns, be honest… in moderation, don’t put this post here as your profile but be honest enough. there are plenty of women out there who are very lonely. Many are overweight. I don’t know your requirements in a mate.

    Maybe if you do the online dating wisely, mindfully, it can be to your benefit. Doing it blindly can be damaging to you, this is my position on it.

    You can do well in online dating not because you are confident and experienced but because you are not the ONLY one out there who are in a desperate state of mind. So many women out there struggling as well. Maybe you can find a good woman who is also struggling…and you can help each other.

    anita

    #81111
    Patrick
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Maybe it is a good idea to take on online dating again. But I think it is best to wait a couple of weeks or months. Let me do the therapy first to get more rest. So I can do the dating more wisely and mindful. Can you give an example on how to do online dating in mindful and wise way?

    I still have one date in store with a lady I met online just before I quit the online dating. She needed to postpone the date because of the hospitalisation of a relative and now she is on vacation with her son. Do you think it is a good idea to have this date at this moment?

    My requirements in a mate? Well, what I learned from my relationship is that I need someone who supports me and talks to me. Someone who accepts me as I am and is not looking for a copy of her ex. Someone who helps me and is not afraid to get help from me with the things we are struggling with. Overweight is not a problem for me as long as it is not too much and that she still can have an active lifestyle like me. Because I want to go walking and go to the gym together.

    Patrick

    #81120
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Patrick:

    I like your requirements in a mate. I like them very much. I also like that you are mindful enough to notice you are not ready to date and wish to have therapy first. It is that kind of self knowledge that will help you heal in therapy and help you develop a good relationship with a woman. Regarding whether to have a date with that woman, a leftover from your online dating- not if you feel you need some therapy first. She was not available earlier to meet with you, you may not be available now. It is a timing thing in everything… You can postpone it to later. Or you can tell her you are not ready for a romantic relationship at this point and meet her for coffee just so to make the initial aquaintance, as long as you told her this very intention and she is okay with it.

    Regarding doing the online dating the right way… it needs to be the right way for you, so you make it the right way using knowledge of yourself. In general, the right way is not mindless, not random; it is about reducing the random element and make it as purposeful as you can, as is possible. For example, when you put together your profile, pay attention to that. Share honestly but not “this-is-how-sick-I-think-I-am-help-me kind of honest. You can write what you wrote to me above, about what you want in a woman. I liked it, other women will like it too (not all, of course). Besides the profile, there can be a policy. For example, you may choose not to spend too much time reading any particular profile because your chance of getting a response from one woman online is small, a matter of statistics. Investing too much time and emotion on a virtual woman- a woman that will never exist in your real life- doesn’t make sense to me. So I would read some, keep my emotions detached enough, write to any particular woman a SHORT note (your profile has all the info you want to share, no need to re-write) and … forget about it, if you can, as much as you can. After some time, you turn on your computer adn see what is there. Instead of looking for a particular woman: did she respond or not? Was she online recently? If she was why did she not answer me? If she wasn’t, maybe I should wait for her to answer and … check again and so forth. Instead of all that waste of time and energy, follow only those women who answered you.

    i woudln’t be too selective (making sure THIS is the woman I want) with first writing to women because statistically only a small percentage will answer you. When a woman answers respectfully – pay more attention to her. And when a woman responds respectfully and attentively to you (actually paid attention to your writing, your profile)- you pay more attention to her.

    Will read further posts by you, Patrick, wishing you the very best.

    anita

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