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  • #78425
    Jim
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    Hi Sharee. Thank you so much for your kind words and letting me know about “The Work”. I will definitely check it out. You are right; I have a bad habit of focusing on negatives things that reinforce this false belief and ignore the positives. Many times over the years I would let these negative thoughts swirl around my brain like an endless loop. Being an introvert, it is like living inside my head. I know I have positive qualities and accomplishments that I should focus on to balance things out. Again I want to thank you for your help and support.

    Jim

    #78431
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jim/Jamie:
    I read the first part of your post above and want to comment so far, then I will read the rest and comment more. It came to me, something I realized a while ago and express it here. I used to think that my changing of a core belief because I was in my early 50s attempting it for the first time in my life, that is having been introduced and considering the concept for the first time at 50+- I thought it would be more difficult because of the DECADES of having believed in the false core belief. Over time I realized that once the core belief has been established in the brain pathways, circuitry- it doesn’t matter if it was going on for a few years or a few decades- it has already been established. Of course how we lived the decades with the false core belief makes a difference in adding lets say more abuse to our lives as adults or not having experienced growth promoting experiences. But as far as the core belief itself, its not more established in 50 years than it has been in five years. I am now 54 and I know you are a few years older than me. I thought this point might be of interest to you.

    Now for the rest of your post above: well, thank you too for your part in our communication- as long as any communication/ interaction is a win-win- it’s alright with me! And it is a win-win for me. I bet lots of men in the military got there to prove something, I have no doubt. Interesting how not alone we are, you, I, in our self denial and rejection… and search for acceptance. It is a process and a journey and as hard as it is (and it is, still, for me) it is preferrable to the alternative, isn’t it???
    anita

    #78432
    Anonymous
    Guest

    To clarify my last question/ statement: the process of self actualization, resurrection, recovery, healing- you finding out after all that you were okay, fine and perfect, so to speak the way you were from the very beginning and coming back a full circle to what was there in the beginning. What a journey where we abandon our self denial and attend lovingly- over time- to our self. For me, still, in small steps- an unmarked territiory- an unmarked brian circuitry, science wise.
    anita

    #78526
    Jim
    Participant

    Hi Anita. I hope you are having a nice weekend. I’m glad you told me that. I always figured that the longer we held on to those false beliefs about ourselves, the more ingrained it gets and harder it would be to change. That gives me hope, that at my age I can still make it. For me, around age 55 I started doing a lot of self reflection, which is normal at our age, and was not happy with the way much of my life had gone. I had been living timidly and in constant fear of rejection. I was tired of carrying around this emotional burden. I started doing some research on self esteem and found that its the thing that guides the way we live. I can look back at every big regret I have and see that my lack of self esteem was a major factor in the choices I made. I could either stay stuck on these past mistakes or try to heal and make some positive changes. Its hard for both of us, which makes us connected in a way. I had always felt isolated with my emotional problems. Its nice to find and communicate with someone that is fighting the same demons. Bye for now,

    Jim/Jamie

    #78531
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jim/Jamie:
    I wrote and wrote to you and then deleted, i was getting nowhere. I feel discouraged this evening, slept poorly last night and feeling anxious about sleeping tonight. I feel stuck somewhat. I’ve done a lot of healing and there is still much to do, to live mindfully every moment, almost. To notice the agitations of my mind and quiet them again and again instead of engaging in distressing thinking on top of those agitations. Practice, practice, practice.

    About our age, isn’t it interesting how the young people on this forum (hello, young people, if you are reading) have so much distress just like i had when i was young. So much waste, so much pain, distress, disatisfaction in all ages. Here I am not getting anywhere again in my second post to you. I am glad I gave you some hope… You wrote about living timidly. I lived subjugating myself to others and if I could only change that- the humiliation of having put myself in the mercy of others without believing i even had the right to say NO or LEAVE or have self interest or exercise self protection. My mother so subjugated me that I entered the adult world so very handicapped. I can’t believe myh life really did happen to me… And i was blind all these years. I am learning now to SEE. to SEE more of what is out there.

    I like it that you wrote that we connected. I still want to connect. i still want to be liked. I am at 54 still the little girl I always was- isn’t it amazing… I am still that little girl.
    anita

    #78567
    Jim
    Participant

    Good morning Anita. I’m sorry you had a rough day yesterday. I hope you slept better last night. I know what you mean about subjugating yourself to others. Because my self esteem was so low I didn’t think I was worth standing up for. I’ve let some people manipulate and use me like a door mat. I hate arguing because I can’t say no and always end up giving in. Then I beat myself up for it later. We all want to be liked and accepted but I wanted EVERYBODY to like me so I became a “yes” person, always agreeing with people, afraid to speak my mind.

    I think we all want to feel connected and I’m glad we can talk openly with each other. I’m determined to keep at it. I don’t want to go back to the scared, introverted, isolated person I was for many years. I hope you are having a much better day today. Bye for now.

    Jim

    #78574
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jim/Jamie:
    I am having a better day today. I slept well. I am so glad that I did- it sure feels good to feel better- goes without saying, yet I do say it. I have my distressing moments today as in any other day. I get distressed and when I do instead of analyzing on and on trying to get rid of the distress via analytical thinking (did not work)- I surround the distress with nothing, with space, with silence. I figured things enough (there is a place to analysis) and now as teh neurons release the distressing juices in my brain (which happens physiologically)- I have to silence those “ripples in the pond” with quiet. Over and over again. I just had lunch and with the severe eating disorders I developed in the last few years (yes…) eating has been involved with anxiety. I repeatedly talk to myself while eating, saying: I deserve to feel pleasure. It is okay to feel pleasure, nothing bad will happen because i am feeling good. Nobody is going to attack me because I am feeling good. Then a few minutes ago- my god, I can’t believe it- I felt love for myself, actual affection for myself. Wow- amazing.

    I read about you having been a doormat, a yes person. Sometimes I get so angry thinking about how I humiliated myself, how I disregarded myself. I get angry and I see, NOW, that it shouldn’t have been so. Now that I felt, today, affection for myself, not that I am growing into liking myself- I think: what a shame. It is sometimes overwhelming to think about decades of life spent subjugated, submissive, a nobody in my own mind. Ah, the pain….

    How are you doing with that presently? I like you as the “jim/Jamie” in this forum. I like to get messages from you. I like your expressions here, you noticing me, “listening” to me, paying attention. Seeing me. And I welcome you showing yourself to me…I am a safe place for you to do so…
    anita

    #78575
    Anonymous
    Guest

    correcion of typo: NOW tha tI am growing into liking myself, not “not that I am growing…”
    anita

    #78741
    Jim
    Participant

    Hi Anita. Sorry I can’t always respond right away (I still work full time) but I was thinking about you. Thank you for your kind words and it makes me happy to know that you enjoy hearing from me. I’m so glad you had that moment of self love. That is wonderful!! There was a quote in the book about that very thing. I think it said; a moment of self compassion/love can change your entire day. A string of such days can change your life. I don’t think I’ve ever had a moment like that yet. Sometimes with rational thinking I remember some positive things I’ve done and think; maybe I’m not such a bad guy after all. But then it doesn’t take much to fall back into the negative thinking patterns again. I have another book that is about CBT and keeping mood logs. I haven’t tried that however.

    I think the thing that bothers me the most is the regret that I let all those years go by before taking any action. I did a good job of masking my unhappiness and was very stubborn about looking for help. My life could have been much happier and productive. I can’t go back and change it, so I have to find a way to forgive myself and let it go. I think that is another thing that connects us. The fact that we both waited until middle age before seeking help.

    Hope you are having a nice day Anita. Take care and talk to you soon.

    Jim/Jamie

    #78761
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jim/Jamie:
    It is okay you responding when you have the time. I am not working so I have more time than you do. I am pleased whenever it is that I do get a note from you. About self compassion, I wonder when you think something like: maybe I’m not such a bad guy after all, if when you thought that, did you have any pleasant feeling at all? A sense of relief? Some relaxation at the though? Any such positive feeling would be self compassion or self love. Maybe not intense, but there… notice next time…? Regarding the CBT book and mood logs- did you try a mood log ever? I’ve done those. have mood logs forms in my folder here- I can help you with those, if you’d like.

    Regarding your regret- all those years. I was thinking that recently, ALL THOSE YEARS- it is mind boggling to think and remember how I spent those years, what misery and how unnecessary it was. How different it could have been if I stood up for myself. If I lived effectively, skillfully, it would have been very, very different- wonderful. So much loneliness could have been spent interacting, loving, enjoying life. Etc. Etc. Etc. Reality is that if my past would have been wonderful, ecstatic, even, however glorious- at this point it would still be the past, gone. No matter what I’d do- I could never re-live that past. I don’t want to live again MY past. If I had a wonderful past where I took advantage of my YOUTH, how would I feel then for all that wonder, glory, ecstasy being in the past, time gone, youth gone? I could write all my memories in a notebook with photos and look at those all day long, what would that give me then? I would still have only the present.

    Reality is also that regret is very common and wasting a lot of one’s life is also very common. It is the human condition as I see it. You can look at threads on this website from 2013 and you will read the writings of young people in the midst of wasting their lives, so far, at 20 or so. How can that be? Yet it is.

    Somehow when I felt the intense enough moment of self compassion- there was no regret then. I think i was satisfied at that moment.

    There is some pain that has to be endured- the pain of the hurt that was done to us, the injustice of it, so much life lived in misery- this pain cannot be explained away, it is personal and I have to bear it. It is done. It is strange. Yes, we are both middle age. But like I wrote you before- I am still that little girl. She is still there and if I saw you- if you have some white hair like I do and/ or wrinkles and/ or this and that- NONE OF THAT would fool me. I know I will see the little Jim/ Jamie in there, in your eyes. I feel compassion for him/ her right this moment. Can you see him/ her in your eyes- the twinkle? Don’t let signs of aging fool you- you are there, young, still vulnerable, still reaching out. Maybe I am getting poetic-like?

    Can you look for little you in the mirror and tell me what you see, maybe take a paper and write what you see? Maybe put on music you used to listen to when you were very young and look in the mirror and let Jim/Jamie talk to you, tell you anything at all…?

    There are a lot of books and such about getting in touch with the “inner child” – the child part of you that is still there….

    Looking forward/ hoping to your next post…???

    take good care of the precious you!
    anita

    #78816
    Jim
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you so much for your words of wisdom and heartfelt support. It really makes my day. I agree with you that even if our lives had been happier, we can’t relive it. Its still the past. But I find myself reflecting more since I turned 60 and it would be nice to get a feeling of pride and fulfillment instead of feeling ashamed. I let FEAR run my life and made the same mistakes over and over again. Never learning a lesson and growing.

    Thanks for the offer of the mood log sheets. I do have some from a book called “Feeling Good” by David Burns but I’ve never used them. However I would love some info on finding your inner child. I wan’t to tell you about what makes me feel like a child when I write again this weekend. Hope you are doing well.

    Goodnight
    Jim/Jamie

    #78827
    Jim
    Participant

    Good morning Anita. I wanted to finish my thought from last night. There is an oldies TV station that shows episodes from the first TV show I can remember watching as a child. Its the Superman series from the late 50’s and I can remember being 4 years old and watching it with amazement (I really thought he could fly). My mom made me a Superman outfit and I would wear it as I ran around the house pretending to be Superman. I would jump off the furniture as if I could fly. You should see me when I watch the show now. I get a big smile on my face and watch it with almost the same intensity I did when I was a little boy. I guess we both still have that inner child that wants to come out and play. Enjoy your day!

    Jim/Jamie

    #78830
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jim/Jamie:
    Sweet Supeman story. You watching it at 60 with the same intensity, big smile is proof, is it not, that the child of those days is very much alive. That child is the part of you that watches the show still, in wonder. You thought at that time, long ago, that superman really did fly, that he could fly.

    Free associations in my mind as I type this: I think that I too had wings, that I could fly and then the winges were cut off. Wings that I still need to be free, still need to be in a state of WONDER. Can I (can you…) get them back, get your wings back? I am typing whatever comes to mind… the regret for havinglived a life of fear. Of still living a life of rear. What does it mean not to? What does it mean to me” I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees?” How am I living on my knees now?

    I am looking at the trees outside, the sun is already somwhat out, shade and light, lots of green, a mountain behind the trees. I see it every day, often I don’t but it is always there, every day since I live here, it is right there. What does it mean to me to be free? Free of fear?

    I wish there was something dramatic I could do. I had this crazy image of you, thinking if I was you, what that dramatic thing would be: running in a public place screaming to the top of your lungs: look at me- I AM Jim AND Jamie. I am Jim and Jamie and I am not afraid! I am not ashamed!

    How would it look for me, doing something similar, running in a public place, what would I scream to the top of my lungs? “Here I am. Look at me! See me! I am HERE. I EXIST. I am here! … I MATTER. What I think matters. What I feel matters. I count. I make a difference!”

    Of course you may very well be screaming something else other than what I wrote above- if you like the image, what would you be screaming?

    My biggest hurt is having lived as if i didn’t matter. Ah, the pain, the humiliation, that self disrespect, self abandonment. Not onlyu did I give up on wings but I gave up on my legs taking me away from humiliating situations (I stayed feeling paralyzed, helpless and worst: as if I had no right and no value justifying my removal from being used like an object by another). To abandon myself, to deny my inherent value to my own self, to step all over myself, so to speak. Ah… never would I want to go back to that.

    I am going to stop these thoughts right now… What do you think, Jim/Jamie? I’ll write you later. I am not in my… usual state of mind right now.
    anita

    #78900
    Jim
    Participant

    Good morning Anita. How are you doing today? You seemed upset the other day. I can certainly identify with your hurt. I was the one who went through school sitting in the back, never raising my hand, afraid to speak up because I thought no one wanted to hear from me. Praying that the teacher wouldn’t call on me and put me on the spot. I was the wallflower in high school, with such fear of rejection, that I could barely talk to a girl, much less ask her out on a date.

    There is a recurring dream I’ve had all my life. In the dream I am by myself but wearing girls clothes. All of a sudden I hear people coming and I panic; looking for somewhere to hide. I’m can’t find anywhere to hide and I’m running in circles, terrified of being seen. The humiliation of being caught would be too much to bear. I get in such a panic that I usually wake up at this point. In real life I would wear girls clothes in public and walk around with my head held high and a smile on my face. This would be my way of proclaiming that this is ME and I’m not ashamed.

    You make a difference Anita, a big difference!! Just from the way you help and support me and others on this site. We can’t change what happened to us, but we can learn to look at ourselves with greater compassion. Thats what I’m hoping to learn with time and practice. Hope you have a nice weekend.

    Jim/Jamie

    #78902
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jim/Jamie:
    I am touched by you sharing your dream with me, that I may have triggered or encouraged you to share this dream. Although there is much panic in the dream, it expresses your innermost desire, as I see it, the desire to be seen as you are, no longer hiding from that inner voice saying to yourself: you are shameful! Hide! Oh that voice… matched in reality by the people that would indeed look and point and laugh because of your behavior breaking the social conditioning, the social agreement of sorts of what should be.

    I remember right now my mother saying about a woman, she said that about that woman only a few years ago, she said: “She is everything (a woman) should be.” I remember that particular woman she was talking about from many years before. I remember that woman being in a house with her son, a 13 year old son. His name was Harley. Everyone left the house and stood outside to allow that woman, Harley’s mother, the privacy everyone, every adult anyway, thought she deserved or should have. Alone with Harley, she was. Outside I stood with the others and heard loud noises. I don’t know what she beat him with but it made a lot of noise, sharp, hard noise, over and over again, something hitting his body very, very hard. ANd i heard him screaming like he was killed.

    I have to go now for a walk… finish the point: that woman may have been well mannered, eat nicely, say the right things….

    You get my point. what people say should be. Write me again, or I will continue later, amybe tomorrow, come back to this.
    anita

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