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  • #80765
    Natalie
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    Hello there,

    I am very new here, I couldn’t find anywhere to introduce my self, so waving from here!

    I hope you may have some advice for me, long story short, my 15 relationship and marraige ended in March, I helped it to it’s end, after spending many years allowing my self to be accepting of a painful relationship, I fought and fought for love, through much of my journey I carried anger and bitterness towards him and his family, probably in part for not meeting the story I had written for myself and in part his sad life story and family dysfunction, coupled with my families story, that dragged me deep down, I suffered post natal depression with my last and sadly was very hostile and angry towards him pushing him far away, our communication and emotional connection was at an all time low, though I feel he had always be emotionally unavailable, myself too for years so things worked. Then h I believe I started to wake, this then making the gap between us massive, after trying to connect for a long time and not really getting anywhere I sunk! upon telling him I didn’t love him within a week he was seeing someone else, perhaps the most painful thing I have dealt with so far. We are trying to be friends very hard, and it feels so fake,everything with him feels fake now, and I have found out he is lying so he can put his own needs before his children and our joint business, I want to approach it but not sure how, I am pretty sure he is a covert narcissist, with very little connection to himself, as he has said- he doesn’t think, just does. He has always put his needs before us even if it looked otherwise, though I am certainly not without fault. I am struggling to know how to communicate in a way that won’t offend, and help him to be more authentic with me, for the sake of us all. Seriously struggling with letting go of my feelings towards the other woman but that’s another story. thank you in advance…

    #80786
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Natalie:

    You were married for fifteen years. It was a painful relationship for you. You were angry and bitter toward him. He had a difficult family for you to deal with and your family was difficult to deal with as well. You and your husband were not intimate, close. You tried to connect with him but failed. Your relationship with him now is about a joint business and your children. You feel that he puts himself before the business and your children and that he has always been self concerned and not giving- not to you and not to the children (?). You feel that your interactions are fake (but were not fake before???) and you would like to help him be authentic with you (after fifteen years that he has not be authentic?)

    I hope you help me understand…Is the above account correct? Can you answer the questions in parentheses?
    anita

    #80847
    Natalie
    Participant

    You were married for fifteen years- together 15, married 2006.

    It was a painful relationship for you.- He had a very harsh upbringing, then lost both parents by the time he was 19, lived in his family farm forever, refused to leave, lived with his identical twin, we lost him at 27 and his older brother died 2 years previous. To be with him I had accepted moving to his family home with my son, (now a condemable) property with his twin brother and his girlfriend where for many years his siblings would come and go whenever they wanted.Though he chose to be with us, he also chose not to, he was always too busy, I guess you could say always up for the fun part on which we connected hugely, we never argued, yet any responsibility he would evade I guess, hates being answerable to anyone,I put up with this. But at the time my thought were we were so close in one aspect, and I loved him and he loved me. I assumed we’d grow together as we grew up.

    I was angry and bitter at him for allowing his family to treat me like they did, they didn’t want us to marry, put conditions on the barn we bought(so my name couldn’t be added), though I worked hard and also put my inheritance in. I also became angry at him putting him self first always, example in four years of my boy playing football, he came to watch twice, he doesn’t show interest in the children’s interests unless it’s something he enjoys and openly would say Why would I do that I don’t like it. Angry at making our life so hard, like no heating, frozen pipes and no water year in out for a long time, some thing he was just used too. Being unable to join me in meeting the basic needs of his family, yet making me feel I was asking for the world, ungrafeful etc…We had both grown up very differently so would have very different standards of living. I ended up treated him badly as so much resentment I know that’s wrong, I see that.

    Relationship- business and children- Example he has been away for 3 weeks working festivals, taken my eldest, and I felt really proud and pleased he had stepped up, getting my son a job and looking out for him, only to find he had abandoned him to go off with his new woman for much of it. He lied about being behind schedule so may not be coming home Friday, he was lying my son said he was going to his girlfriend on the way and had drop my eldest at a train station. His children have really missed him and were expecting to see him on Friday. I called him and said it would benefit all of us if he was just honest, I guess he was scared of perhaps my reaction. I told him he owes me nothing, but owes it to his children not to confuse them and be honest.

    I feel that any question regarding anything that is emotionally based or based on responsibility is avoided, he has pretty much refused to engage in conversation about the relationship saying it’s over and that’s it. I had tried to connect with him over the year on things that were a little more soul searching, he hated it. I felt our relationship needed to grow and strengthen in new ways for it to survive. It didn’t. So when I say fake I mean we talk about the weather, the children, the business, it’s like we now have no common ground but this. I find this hard when you’ve had 15 years together, letting go has been hard. And yes, perhaps it was fake before to some extent, then I began to look for more truth in myself, who I was, why I did what I did…living for the weekend didn’t cut it anymore. He said I was far too analytical and heavy for him. I want to be pulled up on my behaviour and interactions and don’t want to put up with being evaded. I want to love my self, I want the children to see their worth too.

    I feel he chooses not to think about what he does, an excuse to behave in his own favour I think, I want to pull him up on stuff, when it effects us, but do it in a non violent way, a way that also helps him to be truthful, less evading.

    I hope that helps more, thank you.

    #80850
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Natalie:

    You sharing more information helps me see more clearly and I can only hope my seeing is more accurate than not. What I see is that he, your ex husband, is a lost cause. Now in the spiritual sphere he is not a lost cause, somewhere in him there is a possibility to heal. But from my life experience, the probabilities for it happening with him is very small. Even smaller, miniscule, in my estimation, are the probabilities of you affecting change or healing in him at this point. The efforts you are putting in to … make him authentic adn responsible have the chance of succeeding, let’s say of 0.0000000000000000001% . WOuld you put any more effort for such a small statistical probability?

    He had a very tough childhood and he developed to be self centered, irresponsible and not a man of integrity. He is responsible for his behavior and you are responsible for your behavior, that is for choosing to be with him, to get married with him and to have children with him.

    It seems to me that you have done your very best, once committed to him, to make it work and to instigate growing together. You definitely did your best as far as sacrificing yourself. I hope you stop these efforts. It is what it is and he is who he is. I hope you expect, yes EXPECT him to be in the future the same way he is and has been. Hoping he will change is 99.999999999999999% delusional.

    My advice: Plan your life as if he will never change (for the better anyway). Make this assumption solid in your mind.

    anita

    #80906
    Natalie
    Participant

    Thank you Anita, You sum things up well, I am slowly coming to terms with the bubble I have lived in, it makes me laugh, I imagine my self as a cartoon character, chasing, chasing, love me love me. Over years realising he doesn’t have the capacity for unconditional love.

    Though he appears to a fallen head over heels in love with someone else, but the sex with be giving him a connection he is unable to have elsewhere, not with myself, his children, or his family.

    I just feel sad at his cowardace, but every day feel my heart is lighter, I know he cannot survive without someone to lick his ego on a grandscale.

    So yes just to keep going the way the children I and are going….Our house is more light hearted, we laugh and smile and the love with what we’we got isn’t ruined my someones misery.

    Thank you for you time picking apart my post, have a lovely day.

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