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  • #68211
    Tyler Sant
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    Hi Vhanon,

    I will try to give you a short version of this, so i won’t bore you to death.
    When we broke up, more than 2 months ago, a huge fight happened. I treated her with indiference. She said that she still love me, that her feelings hadn’t chenge at all and her decision was very hard. I waited 3 weeks to look for her again. I told her how different i always, said i was sorry for everything i done and that if she decided to get back, things would be much better, because i wasn’t blind by my own truth anymore. She said “I don’t love you anymore, i don’t feel anything for you for a longe time before the brake up, and you will never change”. I took the blow and left, decided to move on.

    Less than two weeks later, i ran into her in a partie, where she told our mutual friends that she had said those things to keep me away, but she missed me a lot, loved me still and was suffering too much. We started talking again and she admited those things to my face. I pointed out that it was to clear how badly she wanted to kiss me, always saying in each encounter that i was very happy with my new life, not to rub it in her face, but because i think women want happy men around them, not clingy and needy ones, like i was the next day after the break up. She said “i don’t know what i want”. That was almost three weeks ago, and we stopped talking about us. Sometimes she looks for me to talk about silly things….we treat eachother like friends, and i think that in the other end, she may have this image of me as the most cool guy after a break up, in the hole world. And she seems that way too.

    So she is always changing her mind about how she feels, but not about the break up, even tough we don’t talk about it. Sometimes i just think about kissing her outta nowhere, just to see her reaction. I mean, it is possible that she said, not even two weekes ago “you were the only guy i ever was crazy about. I miss the tenderness we had, the sex…” like i wrote before, just as a friend? Well, it is i guess….. but if i am missing her like this, despite all the good things in my life…..so could she?

    I should just let her live her life. I mean, i’m not being like her old ex. I’m not calling and sending text messages saying how much i miss her. But i feel like she feels for me the same pitty she felt for me.

    The problem is that i feel very alone now, without being atractted by anyone. The “problem” with her, is that while we were together, i knew i was happy, that i love her, and that i would fight for us during our entire lives. I remember thinking “she is just my kind of a woman”. I know i’ll find other and probably even better ones. But there is this feeling that keeps coming back “the longer i wait, farther away she gets”. Sorry, does anything make sense?

    I should give up, right? When things are done, they are done, correct? There is never another chance when a relationship trully breaks, right?

    #68212
    Tyler Sant
    Participant

    Forgot to say one thing.
    After all we went through, i can understand the break up, like i said. What i don’t think is possible, is for someone, despite being happy, to forget all the feeling and love for the guy they loved, the most special guy of their lives. Or does that happen too?
    Then i look at myself…and sometimes i don’t even see a guy worthy of love, or a man…. i’ve been duped so many times that i feel unable to feel like an object of desire for anyone, let alone hers.

    #68222
    Vhanon
    Participant

    Hi Tyler,

    “But there is this feeling that keeps coming back “the longer i wait, farther away she gets”. Sorry, does anything make sense?”
    Yes it makes perfectly sense, you fear that the feelings she still have for you may fade. However, that’s exactly the direction she said she wanted to follow. That is what you have to respect, the fact that she is free to move away or get closer. Anyway, even if you were still together, she could start moving farther away (in a sense that is what happened in your relationship). So these are things you should think about when you are actually in a relationship, not when you are out of it. However, you should not worry about that: you either respect your partner for her capacity to make choice independent of your own and are proud she chose you or you do not like that and you should find someone who is better suited for you and follows your decisions. Anyway, when a person starts to move away, you should question whether you want to follow her or it is better to part. It is not a good thing to stay in the same place if you are not both happy, it is not good only one of you is happy, don’t you think?

    “Well, it is i guess….. but if i am missing her like this, despite all the good things in my life…..so could she?”
    Yes of course she is missing you as much as you are missing her. But she decided to move on, because she realizes that your personalities do not fit very well together. You said you changed, but you are giving signs that you did not change like your first question I answered up above. Really, it is just natural to suspect your change is temporary and due only to the feelings of the moment. That’s why it is may be good thing to move and think about what you really want in life and maybe make changes to all the aspects of you life. Change requires time, you do not have to change your actions only but also your thoughts. If you do something just to keep her close it is not going to work, you should do something because you believe it is right. Why do you think your change is a good thing?

    “I should give up, right? When things are done, they are done, correct? There is never another chance when a relationship trully breaks, right?”
    You should give up the old relationship. The rules, the habits, the ways you talked to each other did not work. However, there is always the chance for a new relationship. She said she did not feel comfortable with you the way you were. Once your change is complete, she may notice it and be back. Then you will start a new relationship, with new rules, new habits and new ways.

    “What i don’t think is possible, is for someone, despite being happy, to forget all the feeling and love for the guy they loved, the most special guy of their lives. Or does that happen too?”
    She did not forget you. She is just seeing the past under a different light. Now she knows you better. She recall her feelings as they were, but she wonders whether it was OK for her to feel them in the first place. After all something she thought good and pleasant lead her to unpleasant fight. She may like to experience those feelings again, but she is scared of the consequences. So she tries the best she can to keep everything under control. Change within and maybe you will show her that she can trust you again. But, do you really want to change or is it better to find someone you don’t risk to hurt inadvertently?

    #68248
    Tyler Sant
    Participant

    I don’t know much to say, about her wanting to move on. I shouldn’t say this, i was avoidying it, but she was the love of my life. I choose her, and her flaws, to fight for us….. but everything comes to end. There will be other, sure… it’s so tough to let go. All of a sudden, it’s like we don’t know each other, we are like two complete strangers. If she wants to meet new people and be happy with them, of course she can do that. I would never get in her way, just as i am respecting her trough all this process, since the break up. I guess i tough if i gave her space, like i’m doing, she could eventually realize she wants to be with be. What a silly boy. It’s terrible to see her going to so many parties, maybe meeting new people. Sooner or later she will be with other guys, and i think i’m very imature to feel this…. but the idea of her looking at another man with those loving eyes, like she used to do with me….can’t bellieve i’m going trough this again, for the thousandth time.

    I changed for me, i saw it was good to do so, because i was right all the time before, but alone. I was pushing people away. I saw that by being an extremist, i would have to accept the loliness that comes with it. But i don’t, so i started to bring people back into my life, have up on being proud. Except her….she won’t come back.

    I really think that us breaking up was a good thing, and the old relationship will never come back. I wanted to ask her out so we would get to know one another. I wanted to rebuild our affection, even tough i know there plenty of wonderful women out there. God, why is this so hard ?!

    #68267
    Vhanon
    Participant

    Hi Tyler,

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    “God, why is this so hard ?!”
    You answered your question yourself. You let the thoughts of her penetrate every part of your life. You really wanted that it would last forever. You started thinking about her even before meeting her. That was written in your DNA. It was rooted in the memory of your parents who seemed to care so much one for the other or in the memory of other stable couples you saw since you were a kid. You wanted something like that and you did your best to make it true by following the example others set. When she appeared in your life she fit into that place: the only one you should ever care for. Now that place has her picture and her name printed on it. You’ve been always thinking about that empty part of you, and you will keep thinking about it, that’s only natural to read her name and think about her. You also hoped she would have a similar place in her heart and you could fit that place. Of course you fear someone else may take it. You clearly understand you did not fit into her heart and she did not feel comfortable into yours, but it is hard to remove those pictures and names nonetheless. Your mind cannot let that place go unnamed, now. Let the sand of time blur away those images, if you really cannot force yourself to replace them just yet. I think (maybe erroneously) that in order to dismantle something, one needs as many days as he took to built it in the first place.

    I completely understand it would have been a lot happier if you both could go through life together and that your dream became true. Isn’t there a chance you missed something along the way? When you started crafting that place for her in your mind, you were seeing mature couples who had already chosen themselves for life. Did you ever stop to think how they chose themselves? Did you ever ask them about their experience? Consider that those were different times where men and women had less to learn and could soon make plans and move to adulthood quite sooner. In a sense it was easier to find like-minded people, because, due to the short time one had and the examples other people set, it was rare to remain boyfriend-girlfriend too long and people would soon get married. Now people know there is much more to learn about one’s partner, that there is much more to learn about the world, that there are so many goals one may try to reach and, hence, that maturity (knowing what one wants) may arrive at later age. So, when one starts a relationship, they think it is a sort of experiment or, if they do not have a clear idea about it, someone teaches them to think it as an experiment. Since you know what you want, you are more mature than others, so either you look for someone as mature as you are (and she may be hard to find) or you accept the experiment and you enjoy the relationship as long as it lasts. Please, consider you past relationship as an experiment that led you to find out you were not compatible. I know it was not an experiment for you, but you never considered it may be one. Can’t you think at all it was actually one?

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    “God, why is this so hard ?!”
    I have a feeling that if God existed and wanted to reply he would say something of like this: “I made it so difficult on purpose, to make the bound between man and woman so strong, that in their union they will respect and love each other and will celebrate my will and the sanctity of life. That is why I always say you should marry first, so that when your mind and your future plans are all set, you can let your feelings unite you more deeply forever and none will have to deal with a missing link later. Only than your union will become a holy experience of life, the memories of it will keep your bound strong, you will celebrate my will and become a paragon of love, loyalty and life”. If you could go back in time, would you follow such an advice and wait who knows how much for a girl as mature as you or would rather experiment?

    Well, I know this all look so logical and cold. I just hope you can find a bright side in your experience so that the empty hole she left won’t look so black and empty.

    #68361
    Tyler Sant
    Participant

    Hi Vhanon,

    Thanks for devoting your time to help me, again. Sorry it’s taking me so long to reply. I try to avoid writing, to avoid feeling this pain. Because i gotta say, it’s not being easy. When we are at one end, suffering, we imagine that the other end (hers) is very happy. Since we don’t talk to each other in over a week, i imagine her happy, without any type of feelings for me in her heart or thoughts for me in her mind. But maybe she is thinking the exact same thing of me, i don’t know.

    What i do know is that i never thought i could feel this much pain. Like i said, i’ve been trough tons of things already, but never like this. I know i have many other issues right now in my life. Since the last time i wrote, my dad was diagnosed with parkinson’s and my sister got pregnant. Things just keep happening. And it makes me miss her even more. I miss her so much, i miss her touch in those times of despair, only her touch, her smell….is this sick of me? I wanted to go to her house right now and kiss her. It’s so hard to kill my desires, the things that i really want. What do i do, instead of just waiting for time to pass? I think i’m gonna break. Actually, i wish something just happend with me, to make feel less.

    #68383
    Vhanon
    Participant

    Hi Tyler,

    No, your thoughts are not sick at all. Every parts of you need time to follow the main decision you rationality took. I understand you miss her more than ever. However, I do not think that stopping your thoughts will work. You have to change them and morph them into a less painful reality. It is true she is not there in your moment of need, but it is also true that her presence won’t solve the problem, it would just ease the pain. Aren’t there other things you may do to ease the pain? You may go to the gym and work out (that makes your energy flowing and mood improve). Didn’t you have a hobby at all before? I suppose it may not feel as pleasant as before, nonetheless, why don’t you give it a try? Can’t you try to help your sister with the plans to welcome the newborn?

    When you think about your ex-girlfriend, maybe it may help to think she is still with you somehow. That past you lived together is yours, it is a gem encased in your heart. Maybe if you concentrate enough, you can still see her smiling next to you, encouraging you to face the life’s challenges and also wishing you a happy future and a new successful relationship. She is there, she may be a ghost, but you may kiss her if you want. But please keep in mind that is the ghost of the past, and is different from the person in the present. Maybe, slowly you will realize it is better a true person than a ghost and you will slowly let her go completely. Please, try to imagine your future, your career and your new relationship and try to talk to the ghost about your plans. Tell her about your present problems and show her how you would be strong to overcome these challenges. For now the ghost will be proud of you, but one day a true person will.

    I’m sad to hear that your father has been diagnosed with Parkinson. I suppose you’ll become the head of the family. Why don’t you spend as much time as possible with your father, listening to his memories, his life path and maybe those secret about managing a family he never told you before? I understand it may be stressful in this time, but by helping your family I’m sure you’ll make the ghost proud of you and you’ll be more ready for your next girlfriend and future wife.

    #68387
    Tyler Sant
    Participant

    I did all of that Vhanon…..everything that goes by the book, i did it. I’ve been reading countless articles and books, this has been like nothing i ever felt before. My entire life is messed up and i know she wouldn’t solve things, like she didn’t when we were together. But i’m still trying to menage things, my image to other people is perfect, i think.

    What to do with this need of seeing and kissing her? I already tried the ghost things too…. what do you think she is thinking of me? I know it’s a trick question, but i wanted to fight for her. I always accepted break ups, deaths and other things without putting much of a fight…so what now? Am i making this all up, this love i think i feel? Just wanted one last kiss to say goodbye 🙁
    i’m sorry to appear such a loser, such a weak guy.

    I’m going to travel to see my sister this week…maybe this will ease my mind.

    #68390
    Anne
    Participant

    Don’t try to rush through the grieving process, dear friend. Right now, reading more articles and so forth on surviving break ups will not help. If you must, ask her out again. Sometimes we have to put our hand in the fire to let the burn remind us why we don’t do that.

    Hang in there. It gets better, I promise.

    #68394
    Tyler Sant
    Participant

    Anne, are you saying i should ask her out, to get disappointed once again? To maximize the pain or something, so the sadness can drive me away from her? I don’t know if i follow….
    Thanks for your hugs. I know it gets better, i’ve been there many other times. But it’s so painful to walk away without much fight from the woman i wanted to build a big part of my life with, my friend, my lover, my partner.
    Do you guys think i should stop talking about this?

    #68396
    Anne
    Participant

    Yes, precisely so. Besides which, the pain of the “what if?” and the yearning can be greater than the pain of rejection. And no, don’t stop talking. Get it out there.

    #68488
    Vhanon
    Participant

    Hi Tayler,

    I understand you feel that you did everything for both of you before the break-up. The things you used to do lost a part of the meaning you gave them and they seem no longer worth. You spend much more energies to do what you once did. One question though, did you agree from the start you were doing everything to make your relationship work? Or was it something you thought and tried out by yourself assuming that she thought the same?

    Anyway, I see that you try your best to imagine a future girlfriend you can work eventually for. However, there is a tension between your desire to be an honourable man and your desire to be again with your ex about your feelings. I understand you talked already to her, but I suppose that in the fear to preserve your own image you did not let your true heart out. I don’t think one should be ashamed to express his deep needs. You can still be an honourable man by stating all your thoughts clearly to her, if you did not tell her already. You just have to decide whether it is inherently worth to be strong and start again independently on your path (and that’s a thing you should be proud of) or whether it is more worth to bend and follow her on her path.

    In the second case, as Anne suggested ask her out and tell her all your thoughts. Tell her that you’ve been working for you both, tell her that you have an hard time at work, tell her that you just simply need her to be close. Tell her you’ll do your best to change, if she does not believe it propose a plan to show her your progresses. If she tells you that something you do did not work, write it on a piece of paper and read it as often as possible and apply it as often as possible. Act desperate and ask for help. After all you deserve it. Her answer will tell you what he thinks about you.

    If you think that acting desperate will only alienate her feelings, maybe because you think she likes you because of your strength, this is just your fear because it is exactly your strength or stubbornness the thing that pushed you away from her when you did not want to accept something because you thought your way was just right. If you are ashamed because you do not want to admit you made a mistake by actually accepting or proposing the break-up, you should know that every body makes a mistake and it is not bad to ask for forgiveness. Just do not expect it, tough.

    #68624
    Tyler Sant
    Participant

    Hello guys,

    I travelled over 800 miles this past week, had to do a lot of things. Had to help my sister with her pregnancy. Even tough i couldn’t stop thinking about my ex, i was happy to stay away from this town, knowing that she might be with someone right now.
    Once i got here again, in this city, i feel sad again. I know i’m unsatisfied with life for a number of reasons, and she wouldn’t save me. If we were together, i would feel the same, because everything is so confusing now. But at least beeing away from her, makes me feel less…. stuck.
    It’s stupid to miss her, i can’t stop missing her. it’s funny, cause i always say it was the best thing that could have happened, us breaking up. It really was, from all the changes it brought to my new self. The way that it was, we would have ended eventually. But i just keep thinking that after a while, we could have solved it, to know each other again.
    Now it’s been three months. No human being in this planet, would suffer for his boyfriend after dumping him. She’s gotta be super happy. i guess there is no point asking her out to get dumped again. That would only kill me again.
    Like i said, i told her everything i felt, truly expressed my heart when we broke up. She said those things, not liking me anymore, bla bla… and then admitted to love me still, and miss everything. In those times, i protected myself from saying that i was bad over the break up. Because i had to, otherwise she would put her defenses up again and get scared. She has to be consistant.
    Leting her go is one of the worst things i had to do my entire life, and trust me, i’ve been trough a lot. Lot of deaths, lot of break ups… and this is the thing that is torturing me. I know i will come out stronger from this and life will surprese me again tough.
    Seriously, who in their right mind would still love someone after dumping him? After three months? Not her, no no…

    #68662
    Vhanon
    Participant

    Hi Tyler,

    If you did said everything and did everything, then you really know you cannot count on the past to speak on your behalf. What you did is gone to her eyes indeed. But the point of our suggestions is not whether she still loves the man you were in the past. The point is whether she may love the man you’ll be in the future. You also say that you would feel the same if you were with her. That means that you cannot really accept starting all over right now.

    The fact is that you lost the past, you lost what you build so far. When you’ll give up on it, when you’ll accept the loss, you’ll realize that you can start with her together anew. If moving to a new city helped you, why don’t you consider an holiday or finding a new job somewhere else?

    I know that it hurts when you think she may be with another man. But you cannot blame yourself, if she could not be that strong to do her part and still be with you to solve the problems. Anyway, chances are she will meet the same problems with another man as well, she may live some of the experiences she lived with you, and in those moments you’ll cross her mind. You are still there in her heart somehow, just hidden by the memories of the last pain and the new experiences she is living. I know, it’s a small consolation. But it is always something you can rely on, if one day you decide to start anew with her.

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