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    audrey horne
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    Hi everyone,

    Thanks for taking the time to read this — I have read other kind of similar posts here and elsewhere but I think what would help me most is human voices responding to me directly… so if you can…

    My boyfriend “Romeo” and I have been together a little over a year; we’re in our early thirties. I love him and have opened up to him like no one before, but he’s a little spaced out and I’m more type-A, career-oriented but fairly laid back. He’s not perfect but he is great; our main problem is that he is super unreliable and it triggers me. He doesn’t answer the phone or call when he say he’s going to, doesn’t answer text messages/calls for hours or even days at a time, is very frequently more than 20-30 minutes late (even when it means me standing out in the cold waiting for him), doesn’t follow through on things that need to get done and I have to remind him which makes me feel like I’m dating a child, and even when I said recently that I need our communication habits to improve or we aren’t going to be able to make this work together, he just says as always “I will, I am working on it, I really want to, I don’t want to be this way” and then goes back to not ever checking/answering his phone.

    When we are together I feel deep partnerly love, but when we are apart it’s like I don’t exist. He awakens so much hurt in me, some from him and some past. When I can’t reach him, I feel like I’m 9 years old again waiting for my shitty father to pick me up an hour after school was over, which happened almost every day. I tell myself I am safe, I am not 9 years old, I can treat myself to whatever I would give my girlfriend if I were my boyfriend, and I do that. Still, I feel emotionally exhausted after these incidents.

    I am trying to find ways to rewire the triggered moments… it’s not fun. Today for example he was supposed to call me after work; he didn’t, so I turned my phone off because I didn’t want to be thinking all the time about how he might or might not text a reply any minute longer. I was on high alert and anxious and it felt horrible. Once I turned it off I felt much better, but then I notice that I’m angry at him for triggering me in the first place. Why can’t he just be there for me? Answer the phone? Also, I don’t think that making myself unreachable (to everyone) is ultimately a healthy and adequate solution.

    The longer this problem persists, the worse I feel its getting. I feel more and more uncared for, like I’m in a burning building and he’s stopping for a coffee on the way to saving me. Also I am having negative thoughts about who he is as a person, since he screws things up due to this behavior fairly often (taxes or getting flack from employers for missing deadlines for example). He had very shitty role models growing up and I know he loves me to the moon and back, but damn, he’s nearly 35 and can’t pick up the phone even when I beg him to be there for me. I cry more and more frequently. I don’t want to feel bad anymore.

    I am in therapy, I exercise, I meditate, I do strenuous mental work nearly everyday. I remind myself that I am not 9 years old and not in a burning building. Yes, unfortunately, we both have histories of abuse and neglect, but nobody I work with or am not very close friends would ever suspect it, at least about me. Other than the relationship I feel relatively low stress right now. I am basically doing all I can do, but I haven’t had any success yet trying to just accept him despite his unreliability. I start ruminating about other problems in our relationship or just my own insecurities then and it seems to never end, again, I feel worse and worse as time goes by. Less in love, less free because the anxiety of the next painful incident around the corner keeps the love from growing properly.

    I love that he is solid as a rock, but lately I feel like I can never heal my old wounds if he’s always sticking his finger back in them.

    I’m sorry this got so long and is such a poorly written mess, but I would be really glad if someone found the time to reply. I love him so much, and I hope there’s a solution.

    Thanks and love
    AH

    #121529
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear AH:

    When you wrote that he is “solid as a rock” and that he loves you ” to the moon and back”- you mean, on his own timing, his own chosen place and time? Not when you are waiting for him, not when and where you need him?

    If you can elaborate on the solid-as-a-rock and the nature of his love for you, it will help me understand.

    What I figure, his unreliable behavior with you- not calling or showing up when he says he will, on a regular basis, would be disturbing behavior to anyone, regardless of past issues and present insecurities- it is simply a distressing, unloving behavior.

    anita

    #121558
    audrey horne
    Participant

    Thank you, Anita.

    What I meant is that he has a very stable, unshakeable, unmovable spirit. He is independent and emotionally sturdy like no person I have ever met before. He is usually bright and cheery, and totally level-headed. When I am feeling anxious and extremely stressed about my demanding life and goals, this is a great comfort to me (when we’re together). He has immense patience and never seems to feel the need to rush anything, ever. It sometimes calms me and gives me confidence, sometimes causes me great distress not being able to have him somewhere on time. Examples that come to mind are showing up with eggs as planned so the cornbread could be done on time for Thanksgiving dinner, and being half an hour late to meet my older brother for the first time. When we’re not together and I can’t reach him, I feel as though he doesn’t recognize any urgency I am trying to communicate, so it serves as a source of disconnectedness. He almost never answers the phone if I call. I feel disrespected as a result, too.

    We don’t live together yet, but we are supposed to move abroad together in a couple of months for my job. We see each other for 1-2 days/nights every weekend, and sometimes 1-maybe 2 times during the week. He is always delighted to see me, and everyone knows how in love he is. It’s plain to see. He is very affectionate, always paying attention to me, always playfully bragging about me to my friends and complimenting me for my intelligence, ambition, little successes, looks, whatever it is he likes. We share almost all of our interests and core values, and have the same priorities and goals for our future together. He wants to get married and have kids in the next years, we’ve talked about it several times.

    But unfortunately, yes, as you said, “on his own timing, his own chosen place and time? Not when you are waiting for him, not when and where you need him?”. He works a lot (as do I) and is also dealing with some legal issues that are very time consuming (but not his fault). So what little time we spend together is doing things I planned or else sitting around watching Netflix, and for example, even though he’s close to his mother and sees her every couple of weeks, he doesn’t make an effort to bring her and me together or get her to accept me. I met her twice, and we’re supposed to move away soon. He says there’s no reason for me to worry about that but I feel rejected by her lack of interest too; another thing that I said hurts me that he hasn’t made any effort to change.

    Their culture is rather cold, and I do think they’re just being how they are. It’s inconsiderate and it hurts me, and it doesn’t seem to change although he keeps saying it will, that it takes time. I love many things about him and am working on loving myself and being totally self-sufficient without having lingering sadness anyway. My plan is to see how it goes when we move abroad, how he responds to living in another country, far from his mother for example. But right now his behavior keeps making me feel panicked and unloved, and I am fairly sure that if something terrible happened and he were busy, I wouldn’t be able to reach him. I feel as though I’m being uncaring towards myself for tolerating a person who makes me feel that way. But I love him so much and I don’t want to break up over one (albeit big) issue.

    Sorry for being so wordy again.

    #121569
    Nina Sakura
    Participant

    Dear Audrey,

    Forget the past issues and the cultural reasons – if they care enough, they will revert properly whether you are with them or not. It doesn’t have to be a big text, a big call – the little efforts are enough.

    Guys are generally not big on texting or talking long on phone but I can tell you, if the girl is really important to them, they will have that basic curtesy to atleast answer her call, if not text. Sometimes people do get busy and the communication is slow but that implicit understanding is there that okay, he is busy and he will get back to me when it’s possible.

    But in your case he vanishes and doesn’t revert ever. Anyone in your place would feel bad – you don’t need to be a 9 year old with abandonment issues to feel bad, your reaction is just like every person out there. He needs to work on his behaviour and be more considerate, especially to his own girlfriend.

    Do you two have that understanding?

    Regards,
    Nina

    #121570
    audrey horne
    Participant

    Hi Nina,

    Thank you for your response.

    For whatever reason, he says this has never been an issue for him in past relationships, which I suppose is an attempt to make me feel that I am the one here making it into a problem. My friends say what you say though.

    He says he is indeed “working on it” — but in the meantime, there are always slip-ups and it causes me stress, interferes with my work. Then add the stress of thinking “his exes were ok with this, why can’t I just accept it?” and I feel myself sinking into a sad, lonely, self-critical mood.

    To answer your question, we have talked about it and made agreements, but I am not sure if we really have that understanding, and I am not sure how to enforce those agreements.

    AH

    #121573
    Nina Sakura
    Participant

    Dear Audrey,

    Well that understanding I speak of has come from experience in my current relationship which has become long distance at the moment.

    Let me explain the context a bit and then you can get an idea of what can be done with regard to your situation.

    My anxiety in the initial phase related to security issues in his country and risk of life. Combined with that was his lack of texting, limited calling which shot my anxiety through the roof. Then of course a part of me was scared that what if he is bored of me or something.

    I did tell him very clearly to not disappear for several hours in a day without writing ‘I am okay’ on text. I explained why I felt worried when he vanished. Of course he messed up on several occasions and found myself googling his country for bad news.

    However please note that he doesn’t do the suddenly not calling for days thing.

    Then over time, I got less anxious and told myself to let go of trying to control something that I couldnt. So I did exactly the contrary to what I was feeling – I stopped trying to enquire so much if he is okay and told myself he will be fine. Even if something happened, what could I do from here by worrying?

    What really helped was that boyfriend had a good history of follow up when we were dating before LDR – he wasn’t overtly communicative but he didn’t make me feel like I wasn’t on his mind, that I wasn’t a priority.

    So oddly invisible understanding developed – I trusted him, I gave up trying to control the situation – he knew I would understand his side of the situation and still made attempt to call me after his really hectic days (10 hours of work+family occasion and then back home at 1 am with office at 8 am again). Did I ask him to call here? Nope, I rather texted him that he needs to rest and sleep.

    I realise our set of challenges are different but I think you can see that some ground rules help, some adjustment and patience from both sides is needed. Sometimes this adjustment has to be explicit or it implicitely happens over time.

    Regards,
    Nina

    #121574
    audrey horne
    Participant

    Thank you Nina, that’s helpful to hear your story. How long did it take for your anxiety to subside once you stopped trying to control it? I guess this is what I’m doing by shutting my phone off. Baby steps. It’s a useful strategy to calm myself for now.

    I told him I absolutely don’t need to talk to him everyday, a text here and there is nice but if he’s too busy some days that’s okay. Still, I need to know that if I reach out, he will reach back. I will keep working on my patience.

    I wish he would respect ground rules. It seems like he never will though. He wants me to just understand him, which is fine to a certain extent, but I also need to be understood and respected. I hope we can overcome this.

    #121577
    Nina Sakura
    Participant

    Yes Audrey exactly, this is a two way process only. He has to adjust as well and you alone aren’t responsible. That’s what an adult relationship is about. If boyfriend is not reliable and really trying as well, then what’s the point?

    Regarding switching phone off, okay I admit I used to do that too when um…I felt bad which was in the first 4 months and I had my own issues with appearing clingy in any way.

    One thing that helped immensely during this time was being more involved with family and staying on track with routine. Social ties are so helpful in staying sane despite the anxiety.

    I hope you figure out a way too and he gives you the time, respect you deserve when you guys aren’t with eachother in person.

    Regards,
    Nina

    #121578
    Marina
    Participant

    I know it sounds strange..but maybe he was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD as a child? Or even as an adult…the behaviours that you are describing sound very ADD like…maybe you should get educated about it and it will help you better understand what is going on(not that i think that this is an excuse if that is inded the case. this condition can be managed,but alot of adults go undiagnosed and untreated)

    #121580
    audrey horne
    Participant

    Thanks mpozdnix — I am very familiar with ADD and I’m pretty sure he does not have it. He is more likely to be a little on the autism spectrum, but its hard to tell if it isn’t just poor social skills as taught. He spent a lot of time alone as a child and tends to be in his own head, own thoughts, without much consideration for others at times. Good for work, bad for relationships.

    #121581
    Marina
    Participant

    Well the best thing that you can do is try and understand whether or not you can live with that…my partner is diagnosed ADHDer with a capothal H…problems concentrating,regulating emotions etc…i feel your anexiety, i really do…but you need to take care of yourself and do what empowers you.
    Maybe you can try looking at those challenges like a tool that you can use to learn how to handle your own insecurities and anxieties..my therapist told me that we tend to choose partners that in one way or another put a mirror in front of us, i try to keep that in mind when i get anxious.

    #121582
    audrey horne
    Participant

    Thanks for your insightful reply. I do think he puts a mirror in front of me. I am trying to learn to get a grasp on my emotions; many of the fears and self-directed insults that fly through my mind when I am in a panicked state due to him not calling are simply cruel and terrible. I am trying to learn self-acceptance and that his intentions are never to hurt me. At the same time, his actions do hurt me, over and over.

    #121595
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear audreyhorne:

    The last sentence you wrote, above, is: “his intentions are never to hurt me. At the same time, his actions do hurt me, over and over.”

    If his actions hurt you again and again, and you have let him know, clearly, that his actions hurt you, again and again, and he keeps doing those actions that hurt you-

    these are the possibilities:

    1. he doesn’t believe you that his actions are hurting you.
    2. he doesn’t care that his actions are hurting you; he doesn’t care that you are hurting
    3. he believes his actions are hurting you, cares that you are hurting, but is unable to change his behavior.

    If it is # 1 or 2, then the relationship is doomed- he doesn’t believe you or cares.

    How about #3? I am thinking about it as I type: you text him, he sees your text. But he doesn’t remember that you told him it hurts you when he doesn’t reply, so he doesn’t reply. He doesn’t remember, doesn’t think: “AH needs me to text her back, so I will, it will take a short moment” He sees the text and his mind is blank, no thoughts are connected in his brain to seeing the text.

    Can you ask him just that, ask him: when you see a text by me, what goes on in your mind, what are your thoughts… Whatever his answer, it will give you insight into how he operates. If you do ask him, I will be interested to read his reply, whatever it is.

    anita

    #121596
    Anna
    Participant

    Audrey,
    You are me.
    It has taken many relationships and a lot of hurt for me to begin to come out on the other side of understanding of all this.
    Here’s what I’ve learned, and what it sounds like to me. Try on these things, maybe they will help you:

    > You might be trying to heal your old wounds from your dad with your boyfriend. Your wounded inner child is fighting with the adult you in the scenarios where your boyfriend doesn’t show up. You keep waiting for this man to save you, and what you need to learn is how to save yourself. Because no matter how many times he says he’ll change, work on it, or whatever…growing into what you need is clearly not your boyfriend’s priority. And I don’t think it should be. He’s here in your life to show you what to heal within yourself.

    > The source of hurt is not only the abandonment, but the projection of your past onto the present. You need him to show up because your dad didn’t. So your needs are completely based on something that happened to you as a child. That is the wound you need to heal, not him. You’re not able to love someone freely when you’re trying to get them to fill that void.

    > The word for what you keep referring to in your boyfriend is called “integrity.” Your boyfriend lacks integrity. This is a HUGE thing…but if someone does not do what they say they’re going to do, when they say they’re going to do it, then that’s a problem. Especially when it is a consistent problem. Many, many many people would have problems being in a relationship with someone that is unreliable.

    > Which brings me to my next point…is for you to ask yourself why you’re willing to be with someone that consistently lets you down? What part of yourself believes that this is what you deserve?

    It’s because you’re trying to get the love you never had as a child. And you’re trying to get it from the wrong person…someone who is not capable of giving it to you, because your sense of worthiness has been formed from this idea that you got when you were a child, and your dad didn’t show up. Somewhere, you have this underlying belief about your situation that you aren’t worth showing up for. And that belief will continue to hold people who won’t show up in your life.

    So, maybe instead of trying to rewire yourself so you can keep him, maybe you should be looking at all the reasons why you deserve better.

    Good luck.

    #121597
    audrey horne
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thanks very much for replying again. I do believe it is number 3. I have asked him what you are asking before and he says that one of two things are happening: either (1) he is stressed and working on something, so he doesn’t check his phone at all and keeps it on silent (he is quite introverted and I guess this isn’t too unusual – his mother complains about him being unreachable too), then afterwards he is exhausted and forgets to check and/or turn the volume back on/dig it out of his bag or jacket, or (2) – rarely – he is overwhelmed because we had some fight and he doesn’t want to fight further, plus he is under some deadline and has to focus on getting xyz important task done.

    He says it’s hard to try to pay attention to his phone everyday after never having done so in his life. I believe he is trying to change his behavior, but old habits die hard. He said his life would be better in general if he could get better about this and the punctuality thing.

    I suppose that what I need is more patience and attention to myself and meeting my own needs. But I am the kind of person who can implement changes immediately if I know my behavior is hurting my partner, so this is very difficult for me to tolerate and still feel loved and respected. Also I keep wanting to (and often do) say “Ok let’s get back to goofing off and having fun together!” and then at some unexpected moment it happens again and hits me like a ton of bricks. Then I’m back inflicting terrible wounds on myself psychologically and desperately wanting to hear from him, while he is buzzing along happily over at his apartment, oblivious to my distress.

    I mentioned that the anxiety is increasing… these instances used to just annoy me periodically but now I am starting to have persistent anxiety, fears that it’s only a matter of time till he hurts me again. It’s very distracting. Meanwhile he is asking for more time and patience. I love him and I want to give that. I am trying but I don’t know what I’m doing. It still hurts very often and I don’t know how to get through it, or how long to try.

    AH

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