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    Anonymous
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    I am trying to extract a lesson from a wide range of situations with repeating pattern. So there is a conflict of interest between people in my surroundings. I may get impacted too although I always mind my own business without trying to harm others. This is the pattern. One person talks to me bad things about another behind their back. Then I go to that other person, and the same happens – they talk bad behind the back of the first one. I try to stay objective and not take sides. Then – it appears that they patch things up, and out of fear that the other would gain me on their side, they patch things up between each other at my expense. In the end I end up being the sucker. In the best case I have been used as emotional garbage dispenser. Or being accused of saying or done things I haven’t. Or even worse…

    I have tried staying out of such situations, but it is an utopia. Especially if you cannot choose your surroundings and change them, as they are your work colleagues or … family.

    So I have decided to stop being the naive fool as at my age I should have reached certain level of maturity. Next time someone tries to convince me on “their side” by badmouthing another, I need to bargain something for me. But I have not quite figured out how to do this safely and in a way that it is just to serve the purpose of protecting myself from being used.

    Do you have any thoughts on this or experiences? Do you have any advise?

    #103363
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear cherryblossom:

    My advice: next time someone badmouths another to you, making their case against the other person, at work, family or otherwise, tell that person: “Tell all this to the (badmouthed)/ I suggest you work this out directly with the (badmouthed).”

    You can also tell the badmouther what you shared on this thread, your experience with this as the reason you don’t want to engage in this interaction.

    In however you express yourself to the badmouther, explaining your reason for not engaging, or not explaining, most important is that you don’t participate in this dynamic anymore.

    anita

    #103368
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for this good advise. This is the first thing I do in such situations. I have always done that since I can remember and before it worked, at least for the time being. You know what? My experience is that in life things don’t happen like a zen comic strip. People don’t like it when you try to stay out. Instead, when they cannot win you over, they go against you. When people decide to play games, they will not stop until they find their playmates and play their game out. This is something like a repeating pattern for me lately and I am thinking I will keep seeing this until I figure out the right thing to move out of it. Lately it happened with 2 old time friends. One of them took me to a walk and tried to talk behind the back of the other. I refused to comment and stayed objective the whole time but she kept phishing. Then she turned my other friend against me. It is like people everywhere around me are testing who will be their loyal ally and who they should leave behind. I am starting to think I should let go of them all – family or not. Or just leave the door open for whoever wants to leave. A real family gathers together to discuss serious matters openly, and does not talk behind backs and use money and property as a carrot for desired behaviors. Maybe I am facing the beginning of the end or a new beginning…

    #103371
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear cherryblossom:

    You wrote: “One of them took me to a walk and tried to talk behind the back of the other. I refused to comment and stayed objective the whole time but she kept phishing.”- I wouldn’t stay objective the whole time and let the person talk to me. I would stop the person, literally say: “Stop!” and then state assertively that you will not listen to her badmouthing the other person, adding or not your reason.

    As she was fishing for your thoughts and you stayed away from the bait, you were still a fish and she was the fisherman. I would get out of the water: “Stop!” will do it.

    And of course, limiting or terminating relationships with people who are harming you by causing you distress repeatedly is a good idea.

    anita

    #103372
    Jan Taylor
    Participant

    Hi

    This happened to me quite recently and like you it struck a chord. The person who had done this i.e. bad mouthed lots of people in the firm and then said that people there were “clicky”, the next day went out to get some goodies and ignored to ask me if I wanted anything….Hmmmm clicky ehh? Well later in the day she had a right old go at me for nothing at all. I had simply asked if it was office policy for her to put the telephone down on me. (I work as a temp at this particular business and she was constantly doing this when I was trying to transfer calls) and I thought it was a legitimate question. She went off on one. I think the best thing to do is to recognise and more importantly ACCEPT all people. Hard to do and an ongoing process I know. I believe she had said things that she knew could get her into trouble if I opened my mouth about them (and I have not) so she did a bit of transference (please look this up, it basically means feeling bad about oneself and not taking personal responsibility for ones own happiness and having a go at someone else in order to get the feeling of control back in your life). Anyway, Maya Angelou once said “if someone shows you who they are believe them”. She has shown me who she is and I do in fact believe her and am not inclined to speak with her or engage in fun conversations. This will then set my boundaries and she knows I accept her as she is and have made an informed decision in my dealings with her. I accept her as being a person who does not take personal responsibility and I do not wish to engage, except on a professional level with her. Good luck.

    #103377
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Anita,

    Good advise for getting out of the water, thank you. It made me see things a bit different. It is tricky however as whether you say or don’t say what you really think, if someone decides to put words in your mouth it does not matter in the end. Maybe Jan is right about the transference going on in such cases. Maybe they want to make me look bad for something instead of recognizing it as their own. As Jan said, I have been shown who these people really are. The trouble is that it is not that simple with family, especially in my current situation. But I will not be getting into details with that. Thank you for wishing me good luck, I need it, I need patience and a lot of attention. I hope that this is the long night before the sunrise, although all I can see now is dark, everything good I have done – turned upside down…

    #103378
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear cherryblossom:

    You are welcome. Your sentence: “whether you say or don’t say what you really think, if someone decides to put words in your mouth it does not matter in the end.” is making me think about what it is that matters in the end. If what matters to you is being approved of by the one doing the bad mouthing, you are in a losing position no matter what you do, most likely. If what matters in the end is being true to yourself, facing your fear of disapproval by others and choosing to value your own approval of yourself, then it very much matters in the end.

    anita

    #103379
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It does not matter for the opinions but for decisions that impact and concern you. I have faced and accepted all kinds of personal opinions but this is too much. I am talking about injustice.

    #103383
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear cherryblossom:

    It seems to me that a family situation, a current situation is distressing you very much, an injustice, dishonest manipulation?

    If you’d like to share about it, and would like my input, I will attentively read and respond.

    anita

    #103437
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear anita,

    yes you are right, and thank you for offering me your input. It is indeed a long and complicated, and delicate story. But it is my battle and no one can help me with this. Wish me strength to endure provocations, wisdom to make the right decisions, and positive outcome for good

    #103450
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear cherryblossom:

    I do wish you strength to endure provocations, wisdom to make the right decisions and positive outcome for good.

    Not knowing the story, I would offer you to keep yourself as calm as possible before dealing with the issue and not to react impulsively. I offer that you control the settings of the difficult situations if you can. For example: decide on whether to communicate in person or online, where and when and for how long, and prepare an exit strategy, that is, be able to leave when it gets overwhelming. Prepare before delivery of what you believe is right decision.

    Also, if I may: be clear about your motivation, your goal, very clear. If one of your goals is to please everyone or any particular person that will not be pleased unless you hurt yourself, be aware of that motivation and pay attention to not act toward it.

    anita

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