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  • #81181
    Pinaky
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    Hi guys..

    about an year ago the girl i used to love got a job in the same country i work and she joined me. Before this we used to chat whole day..i loved her but was scared of telling her thinking i might lose her..but after coming here she fell in love with me and we were at the peak of our relationship. But due to family problems i had to marry another girl. This all happened in a very quick time and now i am not able to adjust with my wife. Also my wife is no where close to my nature or type. And now i am stuck thinking of divorce all the time. I know going in the past and getting what i have lost is not possible but i am not even able to live in my current relationship. My wife is totally opposite to my nature. What am i supposed to do??

    #81190
    Pinaky
    Participant

    Can anyone help me too??

    #81193
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear pjaiswar:

    You wrote that “due to family problems I had to marry another girl.” What was the nature of such family problems that … lead to this marriage and to it happening very quickly? Have those problems resolved?

    How old are you? Can you share about the nature of the culture you grew up in, the nature of the social norms that lead to you marrying a woman so to resolve family problems? Is it arranged marriage?

    anita

    #81257
    Pinaky
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I am from a middle class family and very family oriented. I care about my parents a lot and cant imagine of giving them trouble in any way. I have compromised a lot in my life. I didnt study after graduation, accepted and continued a job in which i was not happy just to avoid any trouble to my family from my side. Thinking of all this i never thought of being with any girl during my college life or till the time i got settled in my job. Finally i decided to get married in 2010 and from then my family started looking for a girl. I got married this year Jan. So it was not easy finding a girl. I came across girls who lied cheated and were not true about them which made me lose hope till a point. On the other hand I was always totally open.

    I will call the girl i love as N and the girl i married as A.
    I met N in 2012 through facebook and I moved out of india in jan 2013. I used to chat with N almost whole and came close to her. She is divorced. I started feeling for her and was very comfortable with her. But she considered me just a friend. So before proposing her I asked my parents if i can marry her. They didnt agree with me, and even she didnt love me, so i removed the thought of marrying her and decided to be with her just as a friend so that I dont lose her in any way. I knew love would spoil everything. So i decided to go for arranged marriage. And also N had a guy in her life from her college time who was waiting for her to marry her after her divorce and even N had already accepted him.

    N also got a job in the same country as I was in and we came very close and she fell in love with me in a very short time. But she was very scared of rejecting the guy who was waiting for her. I asked many times if she wants to marry me, but she said its not possible as she cannot answer the guy. So I kept searching for girl just to avoid getting off the track and also to increase complexity and difficulty in N’s life. I was myself very scared about this guy, imagining his situation once N rejects him.

    I found a girl in Sept2014 through matrimonial site and my parents decided my wedding in Jan2015. I asked my parents to give me time, but they didnt and i couldnt oppose them, i never was so strong to oppose them. And also N is a very different kind of girl, she is not a typical marriage material girl. She grew in a totally different culture than mine. Although we were very comfortable i was not sure if she could adjust with my family and my mom was already totally agianst her.

    From this time till my wedding i never found N in any double thoughts or tensed. I thought she has decided to marry that guy. She never spoke or discussed about this with her family or friends. So even i continued with my wedding plan, but still I was with N all the time thinking I would never get a chance to be with her again.

    So in short ;
    I was ready to marry her but was scared about that guy(maybe i will be responsible if anything wrong happens to him)(he played the most imp role for me).
    Since my parents already didnt accept her and even N was not ready I didnt force any of them.

    Finally i got married, but without any happiness.

    The worst thing happened when N said ‘NO” to that guy. I was so angry that all my efforts went in vain. I love N a lot. Cared for her like a baby. Did everything for her. every single thing.we were together all the time. I never wanted her to be alone. So i was happy that she is also going to get married. But she spoiled everything. And now I am in so much regret about my wedding. I worry about her all the time thinking I left her alone.

    My wife ‘A’ stayed with my parents for 4 months. During these days I found she was a totally different girl than I thought. My parents also realized what mistake they have done by rushing for my wedding. And now I am not able to adjust with A. I called her here in June, its been two months and we have just had arguments and fights. I am not sure if I can spend my life with A. But again thinking of A’s life and her family I am not able to take a decision. I know its too early to decide but I dont think there will be a change in her or me. This situation has totally broke me. I dont smile, laugh or talk.I am thinking of divorce not just for me but for A also, so that she gets another chance to get her life back, anyways she is unhappy with me, but again this society is stopping me from taking any decision. I compare my past with my present. I just want to get free of this life. I am also ready to be alone whole my life.

    Thank you for giving your time for my problem

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by Pinaky.
    #81263
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Prasenjeet:

    I feel empathy for you, Prasenjeet. I feel sorry that even though you tried so hard and for so long to do the right thing by everyone, thinking of everyone’s welfare (and you still do)- that you ended up in a situation that is so damaging to YOU. I feel sorry that you are suffering and that you are suffering for having placed others’ welfare, others’ well being in front of your own.

    It is unfortunate that N was Not available for such a long time, not available for marriage consideration, on her part. Unfortunate that she wanted to be friends but not more and that she was involved and otherwise attached to another man. None of this is your doing. It is her doing, she is responsible for her choices, not you. If she is alone now, it is not your doing. She was unavailable.

    Your social responsibility is very strong and I understand it is a strong cultural or social norm in India in particular, that is, it is encouraged to …obey your parents into adulthood. But when your parents encouraged you to marry A and they themselves figured that they made a mistake, that tells you- in no uncertain terms- that they CAN make mistakes about the very thing they “should” know better. The cultural or social norm that says you should obey your parents in who you marry assumes they know better than you do.

    You can see that they did not know better than you did.

    As you go forward, keep this sentence in mind.

    Learn from it. Think about what YOU know as valid, as something you should rely on when making decisions more than what they know.

    Knowing how close you feel to your parents, did you discuss your desire to divorce her??? What were their input if you did? What is their input about divorce in general and divorce in your case?

    Depending on your answer to the above, I will continue to write to you. I need to know the above because moving forward (and moving forward you must because the situation you are in is unbreable and must be resolved), I need to know what you are against.

    What is your parents’ attitude, now that they know they made a mistake and that you are suffering? Now that they know (they do, don’t they?) – now that they know how much you suffer, what do they propose???

    anita

    #81271
    Pinaky
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I have discussed this with my parents. Even i have discussed this with A. Parents want me to try to stay with her and avoid divorce, and that is very obvious. And they are also scared since they will be blamed and maybe face consequences from girls side.
    A has left everything to me (its my decision).
    But again thinking what will be the effects of divorce on A’s life, i think of giving some time, but how much i dont know..and i am very unsure of the future.
    Presently I have lost hope and its very difficult for me to stay happy..i dont know how situation will improve.

    Prasenjeet

    #81276
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Prasenjneet:

    What consequences may your parents suffer from A.’s family if you divorce her? What specifically are they afraid of?

    When your parents expressed their need that you stay married to A, did they show concern about your suffering being married to A.?

    Did they suggest what you should do about your suffering being married to A.?

    If N. didn’t exist, do you think you would still dislike A. as much as you do? what is it about her that is disagreeable to you? What is it about her that both you and your parents agree that is disagreeable?

    As you can see, I need more information to examine this difficult situation and I only hope that I can be of any help at all, very humbly hopeful.

    anita

    #81281
    Pinaky
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Frankly speaking as I told you I didnt have much time to spend with A or what I have learned you dont get much time in arranged marriage. This was my experience during the process of search for a girl. And I have seen my friends getting married in much less time than i had. So somewhere i had to agree to this. Before A the girl(for arranged marriage) i met was ready to get married in 1 month time. I was surprised with this. And my parents were also all ready. But at the end she denied for marriage accepting she was confused. i was saved this time but then with A again they didnt give me much time and at the end i had to seeing the complexity increasing between me and N and anyways I wudnt get time from my parents. Yes i agree I could have gone against my parents, but at that time i was under lot of stress and decided to continue as you know even N was not ready.

    Reagrding A, i found her a nice and honest girl. Nothing wrong with her nature. But there are some serious faults in her which i would not like to discuss on a public forum, and these qualities which i didnt find in A now, are basic qualities which an educated guy would expect from a girl which has seriously disappointed me. She lacks basic requirements which i took for granted assuming every educated girl should have.
    And yes N could be a reason I dislike A because N was totally like me. And i remember my past and how happy could i been with N(thats natural i guess, regretting on your past)

    I can give you as much information you want. At the end you are trying to help me. Thanks
    Prasenjeet

    #81282
    Pinaky
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    To explain you in simple way what if an engineer is married to a girl from rural place. I know you wont agree but its not always what you see from outside is true.

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by Pinaky.
    #81309
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Prasenjeet:
    You didn’t answer the question about the consequences your parents fear if you divorce A or if they showed concern about you suffering being married to A. or if and what advice they gave you about dealing with your suffering. You wrote in your latest two posts that A. has “serious faults” and is lacking “basic requirements.” In an earlier post you wrote that there are arguments and fights with A.

    I thought about your case quite a bit. It is evening here on the west coast U.S.A and I will think more clearly, I hope, in the morning. I want a fresh brain to use tomorrow morning and write to you then. You are in a very difficult situation, a very difficult situation.

    If you read this before 12 hours from now, or so, can you answer the questions I asked you above? Also, this sacrifice you are doing, sacrificing your freedom, your well being, this sacrifice so far, is it working for your parents, the reason for your sacrifice? Are they happy that you are staying so far with A.? What is it that they are gaining out of this? What is their benefit?

    Till tomorrow:
    anita

    #81316
    Pinaky
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    About the consequences you must be aware that a girls family can file a case against the guy, charge him false cases of dowry..there have been cases in my relatives. And i am just not thinking about my family. A will also get affected..the effects of a divorce on a girls life is very bad.

    So my parents wants me to spend time and from there side they never remove this topic of separation. And i dont think they will realize my problem. I am also ready to spend time but in my heart this is not the girl i ever expected to be with and hence i have become very sure. But i will spend some time till i give up.
    I am trying to give all the answers.

    Prasenjeet

    #81324
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Prasenjeet:

    I think I am ready now to give you my input as best I can:

    First, what makes simple sense: since you are in the process of evaluating your marriage situation and getting ready to make a choice whether to stay or to separate, it makes sense to make sure you do not bring a child into this marriage. This will very much complicate matters to a great degree.

    Now the rest of my input: Your experience with N. gives you a comparison kind of experience so that what you are not experiencing with A stands in stark comparison to what you did experience with N. You can’t go back in time and un-know what you already know. In other words, you already know how a loving experience with a woman feels. You will therefore always know how badly an unloving experience with a woman feels. Whether you end up with N. or not is irrelevant to the point I am trying to make here: you already know and you can’t un-know it. You are likely then to forever compare and be miserable.

    There is the issue of sacrifice: you sacrificing your individual needs and well being for the (hopeful) benefit of the group, in this case, your parents. In nature and in very primitive societies, before easy travel and internet, way before, the individual animal or human sacrtificing for the group was to the benefit of the individual, a Win-Win type relationship. The group protects the individual from enemies, predatiors and the individual works for the group. In our changing, evolving and devolving world, conditions have changed. But the rule of nature stays the same: sacrifice for the group is supposed to benefit the individual. Otherwise it is a Lose-Win or often, a Lose-Lose relationship. This is nature, not morality, the way things are.

    The concept of sacrifice as stated in a favorite song of mine, The Impossible Dream, is very attractive to me adn I am all for it, emotionally. Here is a line from the song: “To march into hell for a heavenly cause!”

    If your marriage is that “hell”- what is the “heavenly cause” you are marching for?

    You are in this marriage so to please your parents. This is your “heavenly cause” – the reason for your sacrifice (just as other sacrifices you made in the past, not studying after graduation, doing a job you disliked). I hope that with a calm mind, you examine, as objectively as you can, your “heavenly cause,” that is the cause for your sacrifice. If, following your objective and thorough examination, you come to the conclusion that the cause for your sacrifice is worthy of your sacrifice, then by all means, stay in the marriage and suffer. The “heavenly cause” will keep you going for as long as you can.

    If, on the other hand, you find the “heavenly cause” unworthy, then your sacrifice is for nothing. Then there is no “heavenly cause.”

    This is an examination I hope you do. It is your work to do and your decision to make. I have no investment, in the context of our communication on this website, in you making a choice this way or that way. My investment here is in encouraging you to examine before you choose. To maximize your view of what is real, peel off what is not real and see as much and as far of what is real as possible. When we choose in accordance to reality, we are likely to make the right decisions. When we choose based on misconception or delusion, we are likely to make the wrong decisions.

    I have ideas about the examination I am proposing: it is your parents’ well being that is motivating you. Their well being is your “heavenly cause,” isn’t it? Let’s examine, if you will, the concept of their well being. Isn’t one’s well being equal to how one feels? Anxious, distressed on one hand and peaceful, content, on the other end of the spectrum. It is not the amount of money in one’s back account, is it? It is one’s state of mind (if it was the money in the bank there would be no miserable rich people).

    Look back at your parents through your history with them. Were they peaceful, content, at times joyful? When? Most important:

    Have your previous sacrifices made them peaceful, content, joyful? For how long?

    Has your present marriage so far made them peaceful, content, joyful? For how long?

    Are they afraid now that they will be sued and will have to pay A.’s family? That makes them anxious and distressed now, isn’t it? So… you being in the marriage now is causing them distress, doesn’t it?

    If you separate from A., and “the worst” will happen and they get sued, maybe they will feel relief, no longer looking into the future with dread. It already happened- ah, the anticipation of danger is gone.

    A last note from my personal experience: I sacrificed myself and my life for my mother’s welfare from a very young age. There was no one I ever loved as strongly and intensely as I loved her. I witnessed her misery which included her stating she was so miserable that she was going to kill herself. The first time I remember her (convincingly) threatening suicide was when i was five or so. I decided early enough that my life doesn’t matter, only hers and that I will do ANYTHING to make her happy. And I did everything I could. I sacrificed ME. Fast forward: my last conversation with her was in 2013. At that point I was 52. She said to me: “i don’t care if I live or die.” All my sacrifice was for nothing. She wanted to die when I was five, she wanted to die when I was 52. My “heavenly cause”- the cause I felt so strongly about- did not bring her peace, content, joy- throughout the whole time (minus two weeks that I think I managed to make her happy, a certain trip). I sacrificed me/ my life for naught.

    Please do let me know if you need further input. I am willing to communicate further with you. Otherwise hope you do the needed examination and best wishes to you:
    anita

    #81336
    Pinaky
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thanks a lot for your time.

    There is no question of a child here. Child comes when there is love.

    Even i have come to this point that now I am not thinking about my family anymore. I am suffering a lot.
    And i am not comparing A with N.
    Even if N wudnt been there..i would had never married a girl like A. I know i can never get back N.

    At this point I am ready for divorce because i think else ill be leaving a life of compromise.

    But what about A’s life?? Dont you think i shpuld take some time to decide for some ones life?? We have been together for only 2 months.
    I am very confused. But m thinking of divorce just imagining my future with a girl whom i never though of living with. This is a big decision, hope you understand.

    Prasenjeet

    #81342
    Anonymous
    Guest

    dear Prasenjeet:

    You asked what bout A’s life. You wrote earlier that you talked to her about the situation. I understand she is very unhappy herself. If she is unhappy, divorce is the solution. Sure it would have been better if you both did not get married at all. But you can’t turn the clock backward. You can not get un-married (That would have been perfect), you can only get a divorce. It is the TWO of you that made the mistake of getting married. You are responsible for your choice to get married and she is responsible for her choice. Each has to suffer the consequences, this is the nature of reality: cause-> effect. You cannot predict the future. You can not predict the consequences for her, that is whether she would suffer more divorced from you or married to you- different kinds of suffering: which would be worse? You can’t tell.

    I understand the weight of the situation you are in. This is why I suggested examining it from a calm state of mind and as objectively as you can.

    If I was you, I would definitely get a divorce. I have no doubt in my mind. No children and a quick divorce, as soon as possible. If you’d like you can apologize for your responsibility in this whole unfortunate affair to any and all parties effected. But remember, you do not carry all the responsibility here. Your parents carry their responsibility for arranguing this marriage and rushing you to it. A. carries the responsibility to marrying you. Her parents, if involved, carry the responsibility for pressuring her into this. The whole society that promotes arranged marriage carries the responsibility for encouraging this practice. You are only responsible for your part. You do not have to carry the weight of the whole affair on your shoulders alone.

    The mistake has been done by multipe parties. The result is pain by multiple parties. Exit the mistake with minimal consequences. Some are unavoidable. You can’t make it all disappear.

    Again, if I was you I would get a divorce ASAP- the more you wait, the more unecessary suffering will be experienced by all involved.

    anita

    #81343
    Pinaky
    Participant

    And thinking of compromise i dont know how far in life will this work.. And it should not be too late to take a decision..and then at an old age nothing would be possible.

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