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  • #146897
    Wanderlust16
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    I met a man while I was on holiday two years ago.  We got on great and he ended up following me during the remainder of his trip. The chemistry was amazing. While we were intimate we did not have s*x. Before we left he told me he didn’t want a relationship and was not going to call me. We live in different continents and it’s not possible to talk on Skype during the week. We could if we wanted to but it would take huge sacrifice. We kept in touch via email and talked on Skype several times a month. We got along so well we went on another trip and once again we had a great time. Before we left he told me he once again he didn’t want a relationship. I asked for space and somehow he convinced me to talk to him for a few months more. I ended up visiting him. After I purchased the ticket he told me he didn’t want a relationship. Ok! Once again we had a great time. Before I left I suggested planning our spring holiday. He told me he didn’t want to focus on it because when I booked my trip all he thought about was me and he didn’t want to focus all his energy on me. I told him I got it and asked him for a year of no contact. He reluctantly agreed.  Every 3 months (the longest he stayed away) during the next year and half he sent me emails. It was impossible to move on and I didn’t have the heart to tell him.  Earlier this year he sent me an email and told me that if I was in his region, feel free to stop by (let him know in advance) his place, he’d meet me somewhere or we go somewhere together. I thought about it and suggested we meet somewhere. I asked him to plan it.  During the planning stage I asked what his expectations were. He told he didn’t know.  Since we got along so well in the past I was not worried.   As soon as I saw him he gave me a hug and while I was sitting next to him at the airport, he could not keep his hands off me. During the next three weeks we got along awesome. He was very loving and protective. He held my hands at every chance he got, kissed me often and being very gentlemanly.  He smiled a lot and I asked him often what he was laughing at. His response was he was happy. Everyday he told me he told me we got along great.  One day I told him I didn’t want to partake in an activity and he was a bit surprised. He told me he came to spend time with me.  We were glued to the hips for over 2 weeks. I figured he wanted some alone time.  While on holiday we didn’t talk about our feelings.  Before we came we both acknowledged the risks (getting hurt) involved.  One day he asked me if  I felt loved.  Another time he told me I was his wife. I didn’t comment. On our last day together he was very subdued. I asked if everything was ok and he turned his head so I didn’t press further. He didn’t email me when we got home. I emailed a few days later to thank him for a good time and filled him on what happened since. He told he me had a great time but was mentally exhausted from the emotions and the work piled up in the office. He told me he’d write me ‘soon’. I told him to take all the time he needs.  I haven’t heard from him in two weeks.  Should I say something so that I can get closure?  While I respect his need for space, I am disappointed that he leaves me hanging. We can’t go back to the way things were – exchanging emails every few weeks/months.  Why doesn’t he tell me he wants X amount of time away? That is what I would have told him or would like to tell him.  I want to close this chapter and move on.  We dragged this on for two years and pretending like we were not in a relationship. The truth is we were, not in a traditional sense.  Deep down in my heart I know he cared for me and enjoyed his time with me.  This trip confirmed this.  It also confirmed that he wanted to play house but when it comes down to the real thing, it’s too real for him.  I feel that we need to come to an understanding going forward – we end it or give the relationship a go.  Based on our history I don’t expect him to declare his love for me any time soon. How long do I wait?  Should I email him or leave it and move on?    Thank you for reading.

    • This topic was modified 6 years, 12 months ago by Wanderlust16.
    #146901
    Craig
    Participant

    Dear Wanderlust,

    This came across to me as you both were giving each other mixed messages. Since you’re the one who posted, I am (obviously) addressing you.

    If you choose to end it with him, you don’t need his approval or cooperation.

    If you want a more committed, more involved relationship, you can do your part, but you can’t do HIS part. How long you wait to see if he will deepen his commitment to you depends totally on you. How long are you willing to wait? Can you identify some milestones that are concrete measures of commitment? Something like both agreeing to Skype once a week, see each other once a month, for 6 months, and then take it from there? The specifics are something you would have to come up with, but the idea is not to go on and on without some movement.

    Craig

    #146905
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Hi Craig,

    Thank you for taking the time to read my post and respond. I cannot identify any milestones that are concrete measure of commitment and this is the reason I want to stop.  Most of our trips were pretty last minute (two months before departure).  After this last trip I asked if I could visit him ( in a few months). His response was let’s not think about it. He could have a wife by then. This was what he told me after every trip (different excuses).  But when it came down to it, he missed me. During our separation he made sure I didn’t forget him. He sent me cards via post. When I closed my email account in order to move on, he contacted me through work.  He didn’t want a relationship but he didn’t want to let go, just like what he is doing now. He got overwhelmed and goes to his man cave. I don’t like the instability and I do not see him willing to commit. Your prospective help steer me in the right direction. Thank you again.

    #146961
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust:

    The title of your thread, stuck between a rock and a hard place: the rock is a mutual declaration of a committed relationship while the Hard-place is occasional get-togethers during trips and sometimes contact in between?

    And you are interested in the Rock, correct?

    anita

    #147035
    Craig
    Participant

    Wanderlust,

    You’re welcome. You can change you. Go for it!

    Craig

    #147081
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Anita,

    I know the Rock is not possible by the fact that he got uncomfortable every time we were about to engage in a serious discussion and the fact that he replied to my email and ended with I will write you soon and still have not written in over two weeks.  In other word, the emotions are too overwhelming and he doesn’t want to deal with it because he knows the outcome is not good.  It would take huge sacrifice for both of us to carry on a LDR and even bigger sacrifices for one of us to relocate. He’s not up for that.  After this holiday I don’t want to go back to the hard place and I don’t think he does either.  The separation is too traumatic.

    My male friend advised me to talk to him. We’re at a crossroad and a decision needs to be made – together or individually.  Since he has not reached out I feel that since we both accepted the risks involved, we deal with the aftermath on our own. That is probably what he is doing.  In this case, the Rock is actually whether to email him so that I can get closure or close my account and block him at work – the hard place.  I’m going back and forth on it.

     

    #147119
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust16:

    Your thinking reads very clear and reasonable to me.

    Reads to me that you are almost sure that this LDR needs to end. The Rock is for you to reach out to him for his input and if he agrees that this relationship is hopeless, then you will get closure because then you will be absolutely sure that the relationship needs to end. The hard place is to make the decision yourself and end it without his input.

    My recommendation: send him an email and give him a certain amount of time to respond (state that in the email). Following his response (if it is that his position aligns with yours and the relationship needs to end), or following the amount of time you allow for his response, end the relationship and place it permanently in the past.

    In that email, be honest, gentle, kind, so to give the slight possibility for the relationship all the chance you can give it, so that indeed you can get the closure you need. No anger, no pressure, no assumptions (letting him know your interpretations of his behavior, your beliefs about what he thinks and what he feels). Ask open ended questions, assume nothing, at least not in that email.

    anita

     

    #147291
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Anita,

    I decided to move on without confronting him about it despite my closed friends urging me to talk to him.  In the past I was very quick to let him know if something bothered me. I am just not in the mood anymore. I am not sure if it is because I am tired of the hot and cold behavior or I have admitted defeat to the fact that I cannot make him do his part.   Like Craig said I do not need his approval or cooperation to move on, therefore, I will do just that.  My biggest battle right now is getting rid of the flashbacks flooding my mind.  We had so great times and I wish I could bury those thoughts and focus on ‘now’.  Thank you for reading.

    #147307
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderust16:

    Congratulations for making your decision. Regarding the “flashbacks flooding (your) mind… (of the) so great times”- better not try to get rid of them, do not resist them (“What you resist- persists”!)

    When such memories/ emotions flood your mind, gently distract yourself with… hot tea/ bath, music, a walk outside, etc. Over time, those floods will turn to a light drizzle here and there, followed, over more time passing, by occasional memories with a tinge of emotion… followed by neutral memories as you will be busy with a more satisfying life.

    anita

    #147309
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * didn’t submit properly…

    #147441
    Wanderlust16
    Participant

    Anita,

    I am trying to stay busy and fill my summer schedule with activities that I will enjoy.  This experience has pushed me out of my comfort zone and engage in activities that I had in mind but was not motivated enough to pursue. Instead of sitting at home and feel sorry for myself I will channel my energy (disappointment, anger, sadness, confusion) to something positive. I will learn a new sport and check off another destination off my bucket list. If the Universe wants us to be together, we will and if not, I had some of the best holidays.

    It amazes me the amount of time and dedication you devote to helping others in need. I wish from the bottom of my heart that the Universe takes cares of you the way you care for the others.  Namaste.

    #147473
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Wanderlust16:

    Thank you for your kind words and good wishes! Hope you post again, anytime, and share your feelings, thoughts, and more about that wander lust.

    anita

     

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