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    Luke Swift
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    Hi everyone,

    I’m looking for some somewhat clean-cut and straight to the point advice on what to do. My story is really rather long and complicated so I will get to the point.

    To start things off I’m currently 17 and not attending school, dating a girl who is 18. We’ve been dating nearly 1 and ½ years now and things have gone relatively well. We currently live together with her father and brother (who are more a friend than fatherly/brotherly figures) as we both had issues at our mothers’ houses.

    Her mother was emotionally abusive and controlling, did not allow her any money, freedom and little social interaction. She was essentially the house slave and was charged with doing ALL the housework alongside grade 12 AND full supervision of her two younger siblings, then aged 6 and 8. I had a situation nowhere near as bad, however, I did not get along with my stepdad or drug-adict older brother who my mother eventually kicked out.

    I originally moved into her mother’s house to get away from my family for a while and to help them out with what I at first thought were real issues. That happened around 8 months into our relationship and after a mere 2 months living there we essentially “ran away” to her fathers – to help him out partially too.

    Since then I’ve repaired my relationship with my family and we get along better than ever. She’s now somewhat reconnected with her father and for a fair while everything was going so great. Now we’ve hit some bumps in the road that seem to be recurring far too often.

    The main issue is the household environment. For the most part, it is relatively okay and there’s only the minor issues here and there. The issue as of late is the sheer amount of household duties thrown upon me. I’m currently in charge of washing up 4-5 nights a week, cooking 2, doing half the vacuuming, all our laundry, the cat litter trays, mowing the lawn, tidying the gardens, doing most of the shopping and just general tidiness. Her father, her and I all work 20-40hr weeks and all have other commitments. I always find it unfair that despite the fact that I work just as much as them (also a harder job, too) that I should be stuck doing the housework. Her brother is just pure lazy and rarely helps and when he does I usually have to redo whatever he did as it is done appallingly. Every time I mention this to her it ends up in an argument with varying excuses and with me apologising for bringing it up. It often makes me upset as every time I try to bring up an issue, even stuff not related to house-work, she always pulls out the “I’m just not good enough” card and I end up feeling guilty. What should I do in these situations?

    Another issue is our sex life. When we first started dating we’d both just come out of abusive relationships (hers was emotionally AND sexually abusive) and we both just “clicked’, per say. After the initial months of no sexual contact, and our first sexual encounters, we both had sex very often with one another. It was probably mostly in part to her sense of feeling “free” as sex with me was no longer a chore or guilt trip like her previous partner. As of roughly 3-4 months ago, sex has gone downhill. We now have sex once a fortnight if I’m lucky and if we do it is often rushed or very unenthusiastic. This, however, is not to say that we don’t have good sex and there is times when we have sex upwards of 4 times in a week (albeit rarely.) I often would like sex 2-3 times a week and if I even dare mention sex or even try to make a move, it often ends in an argument, emotional breakdowns on her end, or just a straight up “I’m not good enough for you” from her. I understand she is probably having issues but lately it seems that our sex drives no longer line up with one another.

    That, for the most part, is the issues I’m facing. I’m starting to question our relationship or why I’m even with her some days and I often wonder what I get in return. I would, if possible like to salvage this relationship as apart from this, we get along well. We have the same morals, worldviews, interests, hobbies etc. and I doubt I’ll find someone remotely similar ever again. I would like some ideas on what to do when I’m forced into arguments or what to do in general or if I should just give up on this relationship. Any advice is welcome.

    Thanks,

    Luke.

    #113308
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Luke:

    It is a possibility that you and your girlfriend continue your relationship but live apart.

    Maybe your relationship with your mother, stepfather and brother improved because you don’t live with them anymore. So moving back in with them may not be a good idea for that reason.

    Is it possible for you to live away from your family and her family? With your girlfriend, as a couple, or you alone?

    There are two issues here: the relationship with your girlfriend and the living arrangement.

    Need your input on the relationship vs the living arrangements.

    anita

    #113310
    Luke Swift
    Participant

    Hi anita,

    Thanks for the reply. The issue with the living situation doesn’t really have many options. Currently, both my girlfriend and I don’t earn enough to live by ourselves as we are still saving for a car. I’d rather not move back into my mother’s as like you say, it is likely my relationship improved with them due to not living there.

    There is the chance of living with my other older brother, however, that is only if he manages to find a house to rent in town where I NEED to live for work and future study arrangements. I currently depend on what little public transport my town offers to get to and from where I need to go.

    I’m okay with dealing with the current living arrangements as once my girlfriend finishes her first year of work and earns her qualifications, we will be able to move. That will likely not happen for a while. The main issue is the problems between us as of late.

    Thanks,

    Luke.

    #113312
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Luke:

    Within your current living arrangement then, did I understand correctly: you bring up the lack of fairness about you doing most of the chores and re-doing her brother’s work- to your girlfriend? Not to her father and brother?

    If so, than it is unfair to your girlfriend because she is not responsible for their behavior and is as powerless about their behavior as you are, maybe even more so.

    Waiting for your response on this point.

    anita

    #113323
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Ivke,

    Don’t doubt you’ll ever find someone as similar again, or more similar, or less similar but more suitable. There are a LOT of people you’ll meet over the course of your life. Quite a few of those would make suitable partners to you. Given your age, it would be surprising if this is the last relationship you’ll ever have.

    That’s not to say I think this is a done deal, though. I think it can work out, but things will have to change.

    It seems you need to work on how you’ll handle disagreements. Currently it seems to go like this: You raise some issue, she goes “Woe, I’m not good enough!”, you feel guilty, you shut up but you feel unheard & resentful, replay this in two days. This is no good. You need to find a better way. You’re both still really young, so a) it’s not surprising you’re not very good at having disagreements and b) you’ll be able to change your ways and learn better ways around this. I wish I could recommend a way to learn this quicker than by having lots of unhelpful arguments and disagreements, but that’s how I learned! Oh, and maybe look into nonviolent communication. It’s weird, but mixing it into your arguing repertoire can be useful.

    I agree the household issues will have to be discussed with the bro and father too. The sex issues, that’s you two, obviously. In both situations, you’ll have to aim for an outcome other than: “Well now everyone’s upset so I’ll just shut up even though I was upset in the first place and my problem has not been solved.” Aim for “Well, I have said my piece, and we have come to some kind of proposal or plan for how things may be different, or I have agreed to just accept things for what they are and I can genuinely live with that because I now understand something I didn’t before.”

    It’s not easy. But if you learn how to disagree with people in a productive way, you can go far in life.

    #113377
    Luke Swift
    Participant

    I have brought the issue forward to both her brother and father on multiple occasions. Her father does the other 5 nights of cooking and apart from that, nothing else. I do understand why, however, as he runs his own business which by the books he works 40hrs a week when it reality it’s closer to 70hrs. Her brother, on the other hand, has thrown multiple tantrums despite being 20 years old and a stay-at-home part-time University student. On one occasion after saying that I was sick of doing everything, he even tried to get physical and his father had to step in.

    I should also note that it’s very rare that I even get to start saying what is wrong. As soon as a conversation seems to lead towards me being upset or not content, my girlfriend shuts me down with the “I’m not good enough” and essentially refuses to listen.

    Thank you both for your advice and I will use some of the suggestions you’ve both put forward 🙂

    #113381
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Luke:

    So the problem is with the brother who is not doing his share, not even close.

    And there is a problem with the girlfriend whose go-to “answer” to everything is that she is not good enough.

    You wrote: ” As soon as a conversation seems to lead towards me being upset or not content, my girlfriend shuts me down with the “I’m not good enough” and essentially refuses to listen.”

    It is a real problem that a boyfriend expresses his distress to his girlfriend and she refuses to listen. And her to-go-to statement “I’m not good enough” is problematic. Is she telling you something like: when you feel distressed it makes me feel that I am not good enough, it makes me feel bad, so don’t make me feel bad!

    If she is telling you that, then she is not there for you if and whenever you feel distress.

    If she continues to not listen to you then I would end the relationship if I was you.

    anita

    #113400
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Luke:

    I realized after writing the above post to you that I was not empathetic to your girlfriend. I re-read most of your original post and I have further to comment:

    You wrote: “For the most part, it is relatively okay and there’s only the minor issues here and there.” This is important, that for the “most part” the arrangement is okay for you. Also, you expressed that you don’t want to live with your family and you can’t afford living alone/ with your girlfriend alone as a couple.

    I understand your girlfriend’s difficulty listening to you expressing your distress regarding her father and brother. First, there is nothing she can do about it. Second… there is nothing you can do, because of your lack of options to live elsewhere and since you already asserted yourself with her father and brother.

    I understand that your distress is difficult for her. She has her own challenges, her own distress, one of which is her distressing belief that she is not good enough. There is just so much of your distress that she can endure.

    It is not an All-or-Nothing issue: you have distress, and you do need to express it at times, but in Moderation. Not too much. And she needs to express some of her distress to you. Not all the time, not excessively. Each one of you has distress all day long- don’t burden the other, don’t unload it on the other.

    So when I suggested you end the relationship with her, my suggestion was rushed, not responsible because I don’t know how much sharing-of-your-distress you have been doing with her. It may have been too much and way more than it is realistic or fair to expect her to endure.

    Your thoughts/ feelings?

    anita

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