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Dear Laelithia:
You are welcome. You wrote regarding my suggestion that your core belief that you are unworthy and unlovable expresses itself in behaviors that turn men off: “I have always felt in my gut that this was true, but at the same time unable to clearly point out what behaviours in particular my core belief causes to happen.. I think slowing down the pace of these relationships will help a great deal to start with”- I agree, slowing down the pace will be a great start.
Let’s look at pace and behaviors in the first relationship you described in your first post, first thread May 9, 2017, and then fast forward three years and three months almost, to the last relationship you described, on this thread, Aug 4, 2020:
May 9, 2017: “I met a man online, and we chatted (text, snapchat, phone calls) constantly every day for 2 weeks before we planned to meet.. Eventually we did meet, and it was wonderful. I have never felt so strongly for someone so quickly in my whole life. We spent the weekend together, and after going home a few days, he let me know he would have to be away for work for 2 weeks, but he didn’t have to leave until that Friday. So, crazily, he came back to see me and we spent another few days together. This time I was really dedecestated (devastated?) when he had to leave. Fast forward 2 weeks while he was away for work, and again we were talking constantly. I was truly falling for this man, and we were even beginning to plan our future together (including babies and marriage!). I thought it was a bit fast, but I was so smitten, I could hardly believe I had finally found a good, attractive, commitment friendly man. After his 2 weeks away, I went to visit him in his city for the weekend. It was wonderful again to see him, but we did have a few silly arguments (usually after having too much to drink). Anyway, when I got back home, I noticed his contact was far less than before. I pointed this out, and before I knew it, my perfect man was saying he wasn’t sure if he was ready for a relationship after all. This after he had been the one pushing for things to move so quickly”.
August 3, 2020: “I met someone.. he was kind, assertive, generous, and brilliant with creating and designing things… I decided to pursue (him) because he was so clearly pursuing me. I met him in the other city I’m planning to move to, and the experience was lovely. I felt somewhat alive again! .. this continued for the month or so, even when I had to travel last minute back to my city… He told me how he had purchased a property just outside the city.. and even thought about how I could run my virtual practice there as well. He told me how he had ‘done the math’ and how we had a great connection and our future goals aligned… he also told me that he is 6 months out of a tumultuous 2-year relationship, and still felt a little pressure to date others as well, to ‘be confident in his decisions’ moving forward.. I, unfortunately, uninvited him from meeting my brother and became short and cold to him. As if that wasn’t bad enough, I proceeded to have too much to drink that night and ended up sending some really odd texts that I now regret. He then told me he had a date scheduled the next day, and I really lost it… I felt bad about this in the morning, so I said ‘sorry.. ‘ to which he replied: ‘I’m sorry to hurt your feelings, this meeting was planned a week ago. My perspective isn’t a plan b scenario, I’d like to go thru the motions get out and meet some people so I’m confident in my decisions. I feel you were kinda mental toying with me last night, I didn’t have a good feeling… I also mentioned I’d rather not have a stressful convo before bed and the opposite is what actually happened.. I’m sorry I don’t have my mind made up about us. I need a bit of space, there’s a lot going on around me with work etc. I’ll just shut down if you press me too hard’. I gave him space for the next day or so.. When I asked if he was still planning on getting my bike today, he said ‘I’m sorry not after our last interactions.. I was hoping for some space… This is a bit intense for me.. I’d rather not discuss it any further’.. he spoke about how he felt pressure from me to start a relationship so soon and he wasn’t sure that he was ready at this point and that we didnt know each other well enough yet to make that call. He said he was worried about a few comments I made and was bothered by my mixed signals”.
Now my thoughts this morning: the pattern has been, you meet a man you like and .. you lose your senses, you lose your mind, basically. You place the man on a pedestal, you fast forward the relationship in your mind, running fast without looking, imagining he is running with you, but you are running alone and, not seeing what’s in front of you, you crash into a wall and bruise your head, once again.
This is a form of insanity, I think. And you need to see it this way so to give the topic the seriousness that it deserves. It’s not that you need to fix something small to make a relationship work, you have a lot to fix, so be prepared for the hard work you need to do for the purpose of having a sane relationship, one that works.
The recent man, the one you will be having lunch with tomorrow- you had sex with him very quickly, had physical wonderful intimacy, he talked about the property he wants to buy, mentioning you can run a virtual practice from there etc., and you took his words on that solo run, not seeing what’s in front of you, and you crashed into a wall. When he said those things to you, I imagine he was smitten, maybe lying with you in bed, feeling very good after sex, and he was imagining a future with you, daydreaming and sharing his imaginings with you. Those were words fitting the moment, fitting the limited place and time when spoken. But you took his words as if he just carved them in stone and ran with them.
When he told you that he wanted to date other women, and that he had a date already scheduled, you lost it because you were already running fast by yourself. And you got angry as if there already was a mutually committed relationship and he betrayed it. But there was no commitment made.. he was just daydreaming about a future with you, daydreaming while having a good moment with you.
Angry that he betrayed what you believed was carved in stone, but which for him was daydreaming out loud, you got angry at him, bringing up serious conversations, pressuring him to have such a talk after he told you that he doesn’t want to have such a talk before going to bed, etc.
When you put the man on a pedestal and fall in love, for some men it’s a turn on, but for other men it is not because they worry about you thinking they are that great too quickly, before you got to know them. That’s an alarming behavior for men who have some emotional intelligence, and experience with such behavior before, behavior they witnessed or experienced in teenage girls perhaps. When such men see you so much in love, looking at them as if they were the best thing ever, they worry.. worry about that crash.
The men who don’t worry about what I just mentioned, they get worried when they get to see your behaviors after you crash, not knowing where that came from, and then you start those conversations with them and they are bamboozled- they didn’t know you had all that anger, they didn’t know you had all those expectations, they thought you were having fun, they were having fun.. and they don’t want all that drama, not even knowing where it’s coming from (is my guess).
Here are my suggestions:
1. Keep in mind your tendency to put the man on a pedestal and to fall deeply in love/fall into insanity, and when you have thoughts about how wonderful he is, etc.. and how you never felt like this before, etc., remind yourself that you have this tendency, and try to take him off the pedestal and calm yourself, center yourself, take a break/time out from texting/ talking/ seeing him, so to return your mind to sanity.
2. Do not assume there is a committed established relationship with a man before it is clearly stated by the two of you, that neither one will be dating others, that both want a long term, maybe lifetime exclusive relationship with each other. Don’t take a man’s daydreaming-out-loud (or lies, as some men do lie) to mean more than that the man is just feeling good with you right there and then. (His good feelings with you at the time and place do not mean that he loves you permanently).
3. I don’t know if it is possible for you to have sex with a man and not rush into that solo run, so keep that in mind, and consider that it is better for you to not have sex with a man before a committed relationship is established, or at the least, not before he tells you that he will not be dating other women.
4. When you feel angry at a man, drinking or not, do not call him, do not send him messages: do not communicate with a man while you are under the influence of anger. Calm down first, pause, take time out, and when you are calm, then figure out what to say to him, what not to say, how to proceed.
anita
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