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Murtaza
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I would like to propose that “you” are not the same as your thinking or your belief system. “You” are more than that.

can you tell me what is that more thing that i am ?

 

What is sure is that you’re human, not an animal or an ET

a human with a desire and goal to not be human, and that’s why im different

 

Since you haven’t received that, you concluded that you don’t need it. You disowned your hurt inner child and adopted a belief system, a way of thinking that you identified with:

as always, you are right, but the thing is, i will never receive them, thus i adopted this belief, and i still think its good idea that i did, because believing that i need those, and not having them, made me so miserable, this was meant to happen since i have the easy way as a goal, its a higher goal that tops everything

 

 You believe your “way of thinking” is who you are

i believe in the here and now, the past is already gone, and whatever has been produce from such past, can’t live here, and i have proofs of such, its a part of this flawed production, the dreamy thinking, liking saddens, expecting to get things for free, and again i had to disown my inner child needs, because A. i won’t get them B. it conflict with my higher goal (the easy way)

 

You also believe that your way of thinking is not something you have chosen but something you were born with

i think this believe is based on a lot of observation and thinking, also science

 

You believe that most people have a well-functioning software

their life is enough proof, and i mean with its bad and good

 

You also believe you don’t have the free will to change it

no, i don’t believe in freewill, i do believe i can change, actually i can almost do anything, though i can’t want anything, the desire to change doesn’t come automatically, and it doesn’t come from oneself, it comes from the combination of the past and genes, i simply know that i don’t wanna change, since its conflict with my higher goal and values, its conflict with my high need to be special

 

That’s why you say you’re “created in a way that guarantees misery”

i say this because of the combination of my past and current needs and desire and beliefs and values and goals

 

In your view, you’re programmed to be unhappy and thus, you’re doomed

A. i didn’t chose my higher goal (the easy way) B. i didn’t chose my values and beliefs and my high need to feel special C. changing any of this will conflict with the highest thing i value (the easy way) and thus i won’t do it D. can i change my highest goal? yes, do i want to ? no, why? because of the combination of my past and genes, can i change those ? no, now tell me a sign of freewill

 

Although you identify with your way of thinking, your wounded child is still inside of you, and it wants to be loved and cared for:

i will only accept it when i see a possibility to met such needs

 

 it makes you feel special. That’s why you don’t want to change, because you believe it would destroy your “specialness”, your uniqueness.

i agree, but why my need to feel special is stronger then other needs? just ask enough why and you will end up in the same point (genes and environment)

 

You, as a normal human baby, had the same needs as other human babies. Those needs are still in you (to be loved and cared for, to be seen and validated, to be special). But you came up with a “way of thinking”, a mental construct which tells you you’ll never be able to meet those needs because you’re created differently, with a faulty programming,

its interesting don’t you think ? why didn’t a lot of human babies did the same ? why i did this, and i see not many doing so? especially when this problem is a common problem

 

The question is whether you want to keep identifying yourself with your faulty program, or you want to see beyond it, to your essence?

i think my need to be special is stronger then any other need, especially when the other needs require a change of values and goals, time and effort, and a small reward, i think i chose the need to be special because its easier (the same goal over and over again), i simply have to live according to my depressed helpless self

 

I wonder why you addressed the following question to.. the normies in this site who are way less qualified to judge and advise you

i didn’t address it to normies, i address it in the hope of finding a none normie person that can agree with me, agree on my logic

 

 I don’t know if being okay with being miserable is a superior attitude, even if you were okay with being miserable

at least im getting something out of this misery

 

 Clearly you are not okay with being miserable

if it doesn’t conflict with the goal i was handed by luck and fate, sure im ok with it, but i like whine and cry

 

 I say it’s wrong

and i believe you

 

 better than that you stop asking for help.

i never did, and my post wasn’t cry for help, it was and still stand as a logical argument,

 

A desperate person considering suicide does not have the time and patience to read or listen to a whole paragraph or page

so lying is ok to such person ? i actually prefer that he suicide instead of hearing such lie

 

a  catchy (easy to remember, quick to say) saying such as this is practical, true-enough

its not true, not in any kind of way, some people born a sociopath with no desire to change, those people exist, yes for most people this might be true but in reality, this is not a true statement, and yes i am not one of those people

 

and it helped lots and lots of people who were glad to have endured a difficult time

norimes. lol

 

why is it necessary for one to be Inferior or Superior? How about Equal???

its not about necessity, its about the truth, infact i can say he is Superior in some aspect of life, whats wrong with this statement?

 

 a resource of normie sayings that cause you pain?

lol. no i tend to avoid that, though for most normies they are just a tool i might use to get what i want

 

this is your all-or-nothing-thinking, change some things, not every thing!

whats things ? im already perfect 😀

 

an untrue statement, evidence to the contrary in your threads is massive

true

 

apathy means a lack of emotions. The Murtaza I  know failed in his pursuit of apathy: he feels too much!

apathy means not caring about problems and my situation, and the Murtaza i know did this so well, the Murtaza i know doesn’t feel anxiety or guilt much anymore, no shame, just a little, the Murtaza i know was right to build such defense, now he can’t feel a lot of pain, and it serves his highest goal, he knows what he is losing from such defense, but he calculated the negatives and positive of such move, and he decided is best to build such defense, the damage is done, and he doesn’t care much to change this defense, not without proofs that such defense is not needed anymore

 

reality looks worse than what it is: the fantasies pick you up and when a fantasy is over, you fall a long way.

still doesn’t change the fact that fantasy is better

 

death will happen soon enough, Murtaza: it’s nature’s way, it is not a matter of logic

if you had a baby, and he is suffering, begging you to end his life, and you know for sure this won’t change, that he will suffer most of his life, would you tell him “don’t worry, you will die after just 60 years of suffering, and as you get older the suffering will increase” ?

 

 the truth is that I feel love for you

i feel love for you too

 

 Unless you, Murtaza, become aggressive toward me

never, although you have seen me a bit aggressive with peter and other people in here, and you imagine that i will be aggressive to you too one day, i sound aggressive for a reason, protection, now that you know me, i don’t need much protection