Hi Will @monklet

Thanks for sharing your view!

I know what you mean about precepts 3 and 4, but agree with you that sexual misconduct is (for me also) about sexual morality and taking the consequences of my actions seriously.

For me, everything boils down to compassion (both for my Self and everyone/thing else) so if I am being caring and kind and loving, then my sexual conduct must be good, and the same for precept 4. If my speech is kind and loving and compassionate, then a fib or white lie may be allowed.

I am also being a vegetarian now for the same reason. Killing animals does not seem to me to be a compassionate action. A bit like you with intoxicants, this is not so hard for me because when I cook at home, I usually don’t use meat in my cooking anyway, but, yes, when I go out, it can sometimes be hard.

I personally struggle more with intoxication because I struggle with the question:

Can intoxication be a compassionate action?

Will, I love your answer. Thank you!

I have set up my challenge now here

In the meantime, I would greatly welcome any other views out there!

Many thanks!