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    Blueman
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    So recently I met up with this amazing person with whom I clicked instantly. Days passed and our friendship grew better and at one point I got obsessed with this person. I think I experienced Limerence. Anyway, one thing led to another and after much of my internal turmoil, this person asked me out. But I was happy but not ecstatic because I think somewhere the obsession had me see her as a prize or numbed out my own emotions.

    Once we dated my intense anxiety and negative thinking caught me up and destroyed our connection. I was boring and unauthentic. But in the heat of my anxiety and fear of screwing up, I did screw up in foolish ways. Finally, it ended in 1.5 months. Ruined it all with my own hands

    I regret it so much. My partner trusted in me yet I failed her, yeah it was my anxiety that made me act that way, but after all, it was my issue. The whole affair made me so guilty and ashamed. It took a serious mental toll on me and it hurts.

    The guilt is so overwhelming that I have somehow lost all hope and interest in things. I just wish to get away from this college. Everyone has been telling me I am being too hard on myself but am I?

    Especially the fact that I ruined what could’ve been a great connection, if not romantically even platonically.

    I think I am stuck in the past now, I just can’t seem to let it go and it’s affecting me mentally alot.

    #431739
    Bell
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    ive seen a psychologist once since we “broke up” it did help me feel a whole lot better about the way I was feeling, my psychologist told me that she thinks because I’m used to all the men being in and out of my life and not completely there that I am trying to run away from my relationship because of a fear of being left alone. My boyfriend and I broke up for about a week and a half, I have been trying my best to push the overthinking and anxiety to the side and focus on how happy he makes me, but the anxiety and o bad thoughts are still constant. I have been refraining from bringing these up with him and only mentioning it here and there because I do not want to worry him and upset him anymore. For the past couple of days I have just been bottling it up and letting these bad thoughts spiral, I’ve spent every waking hour questioning if the relationship is right and if I truly do love him, I’m finding it really hard to look at him and feel in love like I used to and it’s breaking my heart. I don’t want to give up on him and I again, he is a beautiful man and he wants me to be the best version of myself as I do him. I found during the time we were apart that I had this constant fear that I was no bodied first choice anymore and I felt so alone and absolutely devastated, which now makes me worry that am I with him because I love not being alone? Because I love the attention and being someone’s first choice? Do I not actually love him? It’s been debilitating and I am in this constant anxious state. I have another psychologist appointment coming up and many more to come after that one, but the time between appointments feels so long and I feel very alone with my thoughts all the time. It’s like this horrible feeling that the world is closing in around me and I won’t ever feel happy again like I used to. I don’t want to break up with him again even though there are thoughts in my head telling me to, and to just run away and figure it all out on my own but the thought of that makes me feel sick. The pushing him away and pulling him in has been really hard for him and I hate that I’m doing this to him, I just want to feel the way I used to and love him the way that he deserves.

    Bell

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Dafne,

    If I was sad, I had to get over it & stop being so sensitive about it. My only coping mechanism was to shut down & find solace in my solitude.

    I am sorry, Dafne, it is very hard when you have no one to confide in, no one to understand how you are feeling.

    I stayed for too long. I felt frozen. I felt that there was no way out & that there is nothing better out there in this scarry world. And fear was my only companion.

    You concluded those things based on your childhood experience: an abusive and neglectful father, and a mother who is pushing you to love him. No wonder world seemed like a scary place, because you didn’t have anyone to protect you and to understand you. You were lacking a basic sense of safety, which is one of our existential needs. Perhaps you didn’t lack physical safety as much as emotional  safety – to have someone to understand you and empathize with you and validate your feelings.

    The same old fear comes back to me when I think that I ruined my chances with the man I’ve met at the church outing.

    This fear would then be the fear of staying alone and left to struggle with your emotions alone, never be seen for who you are as a person, never be soothed that things will be okay and that someone has your back. It seems like both the need for physical and emotional safety, right? Which you are looking for in a man, in a romantic partner.

    Those are all our basic childhood needs, which if we don’t have met, do cause us a great deal of fear and anxiety in our adult life. We believe we need a partner to meet those needs, when in fact we need ourselves and a good therapist to help us along the way.

    Somehow I still keep thinking of what did go wrong and if not contacting him first, contributed to his decision?

    You actually did contact him and sent him a video, if I remember well, but he never responded to that. So it wasn’t the lack of your initiative that made him pull away, but probably he wasn’t “feeling it” with you, which he felt with that other woman. It’s not about you not doing enough, you can be sure about that.

    But I understand how the fear of staying alone is making you believe that you didn’t do enough, that if only you had written a few more messages, he would have shown interest in you. That’s not true – it’s your fear speaking. Fear of staying alone and not having those basic needs met.

    Yes, Tee, most of my relatives passed away, and unfortunately, there is no one now to really listen.

    This holiday felt quite lonely. I’m still taking care of my elderly and feel guilty leaving them. Talking to my mother seems pointless at this stage. It always ends up in some kind of argument and pointing all my past mistakes. I also realised that she feels quite comfortable with my current situation.

    I am sorry, Dafne, that none of your living relatives can really understand and support you. I am not surprised your mother is unable to do that. She is in fact invalidating your feelings and forcing you to go against them – forcing you to be kind to your mean father. So don’t even aspect any kind of empathy from her.

    And yeah, I can imagine it suits her to have you stay single and take care of her (if that’s what you are doing for her?). And who are the other elderly, that you need to take care of, if I may ask?

    So it looks like I am on a good path to healing, I am aware and I know that I need to work on my self worth more. But at the same time I feel stuck again and can’t find an exit.

    It’s great that you are aware that you need to work on your self-esteem. But what is also important is to be aware of those basic childhood emotional needs (the need to be seen, appreciated, your emotions validated, also the need to be seen as special and important), that you need to meet, at least to a certain extent, before you can actually have a healthy relationship.

    Basically, you would need to meet the needs of your inner child. Perhaps till now, you have been identifying with your inner child – the part of you which is scared, feels helpless and needs others to save her. And you were looking for a partner, who would fulfill the role of the loving, caring parent – whom you didn’t have as a child.

    But now, the goal would be to stop identifying with the inner child, but to strengthen the adult part of you, who isn’t so helpless but can actually do something to help yourself. The more you feel capable of changing your life, the more chance you have to be happy and even find a healthy partner in the future.

    But the focus right now should not be on finding a partner, but on strengthening your adult self and soothing your inner child. In other words, on meeting some of your basic needs.

    For example, if you feel that you are stuck in the caretaker role for others ( I’m still taking care of my elderly and feel guilty leaving them.), and that you are neglecting your own needs, the goal would be to start paying more attention to your own needs and reject some of those requests if they take a toll on you.

    The goal would be to learn how to set boundaries and say “I can do this for you, but I won’t be able to do that.” Basically, learning to set boundaries, the same as you are learning in the relationship with your father.

    Setting boundaries and respecting your own needs (both physical and emotional) is a way to become more anchored in the adult self, and less in the helpless child self.

    So I would suggest learning about childhood emotional needs, and then trying to meet those needs, either by yourself, or with a help of a therapist. I can provide you with some resources (youtube videos and such) if you’d like to start learning about childhood emotional needs and how to meet them.

    Dear Dafne, you have the capacity to help yourself, please know that. Start small, with tiny steps, and you won’t feel so paralyzed any more. It’s great that you are helping in the animal shelter – but that’s again helping others, focusing on others and their needs.

    I think it would be super important to start focusing more on your own needs (e.g. to simply become more aware of them throughout the day) and how you can actually meet them – be it by simply taking a nice bath, or going for a refreshing walk, or doing something else that fills you with energy and inspiration.

    Thank you for your kind words, and your empathy and encouragement on my healing journey. I wish you healing too, and want to ensure you that healing is indeed possible! <3

     

    #431731

    In reply to: Work Place Blues

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Maria:

    I am afraid of failure. This is true, but I am even more afraid of success…  I have a core drive to be of service, to be embedded in community and to be a part of something bigger than myself“-

    – what if you dedicated yourself so fully, so completely to being a part of something bigger than yourself, that you would become bigger than your personal anxiety (about failure and success)?

    anita

    #431726
    anita
    Participant

    Continued:

    I am taking a break from fear, anxiety and rage to mention Love. Here is a bible quote about love that I like very much (1 Corinthians 13:4-6): “Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth”. 

    This is how I want to love.

    anita

    seaturtle
    Participant

    Dear Helcat,

    I wrote to you yesterday and for some reason the post is waiting for moderation.. I am not sure why.

    “Have you got any meditation practices?”

    Yes! For the past 5 years, whenever I have felt myself in a streak of anxiety for more than a few days I have used the app, Headspace, to guide me through morning mediations. There I learned to meditate through going into my body, as well as visualizing a light coming from the sky through the top of my head and glowing out of me as far as I could visually stretch it. Since researching Buddhism, I have learned about meditation through self reflection, before I didn’t realize this was a type of mediation, but I had been doing it before, as is obvious with my posting on here in general. I have also practiced empty mind meditation. This morning particularly I woke up from some negative dreams and attempted to meditate to wake my third eye, I just focused on the space between my eyes, thought of the wisdom it brought, then decided to have some tea with it. I am not sure if there is a more effective meditation practice to open the third eye (aka my ability to see things as they truly are)?

    “I don’t know if you’ve heard of Traditional Chinese Medicine? “

    I have not, but would like to learn! Last year I did not eat well, lots of takeout, weed was involved, and so was an abrupt move from moderate weather and seasons, to intense heat and dryness. Stress and sleep trouble were also involved. I am still on a self reflection journey to see what happened to me last year, why I felt/was so unconscious. Although I did lots of art in that time, I wonder if consciousness is apart of that, or if art is meditative?

    “Buddhism is great at unpicking things and helping you to choose what you’d like to keep and let go.”

    This is one of the reasons I am seeking out Buddhist teachings, because I want to let go. Although I have some fear around what those things are, my messages here to Anita have been about my long time friend, P, who since being on this journey, has seemed like part of what I may need to let go. But I have thoughts like “what if she is just that way because of …. right now, and will wake back up, I shouldn’t give up on her?” “Doesn’t being a good friend/family member mean to stick by someone through the lows?” When to release.

    “False selves. … A conditioned response, where we default to a learned pattern in times of stress.”

    How do I detect when it is my false self wanting to make a decision, or me, and if there is this separation… then who is me? If false selves have conditions and preferences, does “me/I” have preferences too? That is a big question I have had on this journey. I was feeling artsy one day and built this shelf in my room, it is painted sage green and has pink flowers all over it, I put some plants and a jewelry box inside. After I made it I thought “that is my style/ my aesthetic, it resonates with me and I love it.” A short time after, I got to the portion of Michael Singers teachings about false selves and it made me wonder…is that piece of art just an accumulation of what I have “falsely” identified with in my life? If so, what even is my art…the expression of false selves?

    “A lot of Buddhist practices are designed for monastery life. So it’s hard to get too deep into it, but definitely helpful for lessening suffering.”

    This is what I have suspected. I do not want to be a perfectionist about it because that is just another false self entering the equation. It is hard to live by certain things and not bother others.. if you see someone acting as a false self, asking you to do something, do you say no and call them out, ignore them or just do it?

    “Surrendering and accepting things as they are is difficult! I always resist. I’m stubborn as a mule!”

    Hahaha, I am stubborn too, although I identify more with a seaturtle, the sign given to me by the stars is a Bull, and I can’t argue with that.

    “And some of these books about Buddhism. If you come back to them in a couple of years. Parts will make sense that didn’t make sense before.”

    I can totally see this being true, it has already happened to me, this is the third time I read Untethered soul and it took till this time for me to actually see that Surrendering is the answer. Also, The Power of Now, I was given that book when I was 17 and I remember wanting to understand it so badly but I was just rereading the same thing over and over. But now I read and understand which is validating to growth!

    Seaturtle and Bull

    #431681
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Tee!

    Thank you for your kindness. Definitely! I find it especially hard when my mood drops. It’s really easy to slip into a negativity biased mindset. And I’ve had difficulty doing gratitude journals then, usually giving myself the day off. But I’m trying to do it during difficult days too.

    Yesterday ended up surprising me and being a more difficult day for example, because of pain and anxiety. Today is a more difficult day too because of pain.

    Truer words haven’t been spoken. Well done on not blaming your body! This is something that I struggled with for a long time. It is not an easy feat. The truth was that my body has been through a lot at a fairly young age and it breaking down was inevitable because I didn’t look after it properly.

    If you have any insights you would like to share about the mind and the body connection and things that you find helpful please feel free to share them. If desired. Of course, it’s fine if you don’t want to. ❤️

    Wishing you all the best! 🙏❤️

    seaturtle
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I would like it if this thread will not be only a conversation between you and I, but a place where more members will participate in, members with more knowledge of Buddhism.

    -I would love nothing more!

    Shakti Seaturtle, that’s the goal?

    -Yes (:

    Remove the impurities (deceptions, false beliefs, invalid shame and guilt, misunderstandings), aka samaskaras,  and you end up with pure cosmic energy, aka Shakti. Did I get it right?

    -Yes, that is what my understanding is as well. Invalid shame, guilt and deception (past) and invalid anxiety, fear.. (future). Learning to just Be Now. What I learned is that our minds cannot figure out what/who Being is, giving it the task of figuring out who we are, as the watcher of our thoughts, emotions and outside world (I would also add bodily sensations to that, but those are the three Michael Singer spoke of) is a waste of brilliant mind potential. As humans our minds have discovered amazing things when given the right tasks, and I believe I have given my mind tasks that I am working towards releasing, such as the task to make me comfortable, and more tasks I am sure I haven given it.. I wonder if it is my minds job to release samskaras, or what part the mind plays in that process…? From my understanding, a way to release is to relax in the face of the discomfort. I want to separate mind and “I.”

    I think that it’s about accepting and surrendering to the truths of this world that we have no control over (we can’t change them), and focusing on what we do have control over

    -How do we get more clarity on separating these two categories?

    Seaturtle

    #431586

    In reply to: Passing clouds

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Zenith:

    I felt like I was throwing a tantrum like my kid. I felt like a kid stuck in adults body unable to control my emotions (ANGER).My little one does it all the time just throw a tantrum or have a breakdown when we say no“- I researched emotion regulation for children and there are lots online information as well as lots of books for sale on the topic, books for parents, books for teachers, for therapists and books, flipbooks,  workbooks, cards and games for children (to work on together with parents or teachers, etc.), all about emotion regulation. These can help you to emotionally regulate yourself more effectively and it can help you as a mother, to model and teach your daughter emotion regulation skills.

    This post is long, but please don’t stress over the length. Read any part of it at your convenience, in small portions, over time (or not at all, of course). I did this research not only for you and for your daughter, but for myself and for others as well.

    Talking about throwing a temper tantrum, From a website, parenting for brain. com/self-regulation-toddler-temper-tantrums: “Emotional regulation is not a skill we are born with…  Helping our kids self-regulate a wide range of emotions is among parents’ most important tasks. This article will examine how emotional self-regulation develops and how we can help children acquire this crucial skill…The inability to self-regulate big emotions can lead to traits like anger, withdrawal, anxiety, or aggressive behavior. All this can snowball into further negative consequences:… dropping out of school, delinquency, substance abuse, and antisocial behavior problems.<sup>​…</sup>

    “The sensitive period of emotional self-regulation is believed to be before children ages two. As proven by science, the importance of early childhood life experiences cannot be overstated. However, this doesn’t mean that once kids pass that age, they’ve missed the opportunity to learn self-regulation. It only means it will be more challenging and take more time and patience. So it is better to do it right the first time when kids are young than to fix it later. If your child is older, don’t despair. It’s never too late to start helping children learn to self-regulate”.

    The article then explains that within the brain/ body , there is (1) “an emergency or quick-response system- the ‘gas pedal‘”: its primary job is to activate the body’s fight-or-flight response, like the gas pedal in a car. When activated, this system allows our bodies to move fast by speeding up our heart rate, shutting down digestion, and upping blood sugar for quick energy, and (2) “a calming or dampening part of the brain – the ‘brake’” This system is slower to activate, but when it does, it slows down our heart rate, increases digestion, and conserves energy.

    Babies are born with a strong gas pedal but with a weak brake. Emotion regulation is about developing and strengthening the brake/ the calming down of the brain-body.

    From www. gottman. com/blog/age-age-guide-helping-kids-manage-emotions: “ Emotion regulation is not just about expressing emotions in a socially appropriate manner. It is a three-phase process that involves teaching children to identify emotions, helping them identify what triggers those emotions, and teaching them to manage those emotions by themselves. When we teach kids that their emotions are valid, we help them view what they feel as normal and manageable…  Ultimately, helping kids manage their emotions begins by validating those emotions and providing an environment in which they feel safe to express them.

    From another website, American Psychological Association. org/ parenting/ emotion regulation: “Learning to regulate emotions, though, is a complex process… Parents, teachers, and other caregivers all play a critical role in helping children learn to manage their feelings… Here are science-tested strategies parents and caretakers can use to teach kids these important skills: * Start early:… Caregivers can start talking about feelings when their children are still babies. Point out when book or movie characters feel sad, happy, angry, or worried. * Connect: Studies show that children who have a secure, trusting relationship with their parents or caregivers have better emotion regulation… * Talk and teach: Teach your children to recognize and name their emotions. Don’t bother trying to have the conversation while they’re upset, however. “When things are calm, find opportunities to talk about feelings and strategies for managing them… * Model good behavior: Have you heard the old saying ‘Do as I say, not as I do’? “Research shows that’s ridiculous… Children learn by modeling what their parents are doing, not saying * Stay calm: Modeling good behavior is easier said than done—especially when your preschooler is throwing the world’s biggest tantrum. If you’re about to lose your cool, take a minute to breathe and calm down before you address the situation. “Walk into the other room and come back once you’re calmer… You’re not avoiding the situation, but you can avoid making an impulsive reaction..

    “* Plan options: When your child is calm, talk about some ways they can handle a tricky situation. Imagine they pushed a classmate who had a toy they wanted to play with. When things are calm, talk about different choices they could make next time: They could tell the teacher, ask the classmate to take turns, or find something else to play with. This process can help your child develop problem-solving skills. * Act it out: Once you talk about possible options, it’s time to practice. ‘Role play and rehearse,’.. Take turns pretending to be your child and their classmate. With practice, kids will begin to apply those new skills in the real world.

    “* Punish less, praise more: It’s tempting to give consequences for bad behavior. But strict punishment makes behavior worse, not better… caregivers should spend a lot of time focusing on positive attention, praise, and rewards for good behavior… If your child always screams when it’s time to leave the playground, don’t punish them for the outburst. Instead, offer lots of praise and maybe a small reward when they leave without a tantrum. ‘Instead of punishing a child for an unwanted behavior, praise the behavior you’d like to see in its place,’.. * Be a team: For kids who are struggling to learn emotion regulation, consistency is key. ‘It’s really important for parents, grandparents, teachers, and other caregivers to work together to address a child’s self-regulation problems,’…. * Check your expectations: Don’t expect your child to behave perfectly, especially if they’re genuinely scared or stressed… In a highly stressful situation, children need more adult support…

    ” * Take the long view: … When you feel frustrated by your child’s behavior, remember that emotion regulation takes time…’It’s important to develop a strong, positive relationship with your child… ‘Kids learn from people they trust.”

    Another very resourceful website, heartmindonline.org/resources/12-self-regulation-strategies-for-young-children: “Adults can help children follow a 3-Step Recipe for Self-Regulation… Step 1Notice the feeling – Help the child tune into how their body is feeling. Ask questions like: What is going on in your body right now? How does your tummy feel? How does your throat feel? Do your muscles feel tight or relaxed? Is your heart beating quickly? Are your eyes making tears? Step 2: Name the feeling – Invite the child to name how they are feeling. Affirm their answer (“yes, I can see from your tears that you’re feeling sad right now”) and extend upon it to build their emotional vocabulary and awareness (“I bet you might be feeling disappointed too, I know you really wanted to keep playing at the park”). Step 3: Respond to the feeling – … engage them in a brief activity to boost self-regulation… 1) Spend 5 minutes in a calm, quiet space with the child. Offer to hold the child, talk, sing, sway, or just sit together in silence. Connection is a key component of self-regulation…2) Pause for a listening break. Listen to a kid-friendly meditation with the child… soothing music… 3) Do the rainbow breath… 4) Sing vowel sounds together… 5) Paint their face…

    “6) Cool things down. Offer the child a cool glass of water, some frozen fruit or a popsicle, or run their wrists under cold water (you could even offer a cold shower or bath for the brave at heart!). Exposure to tolerable cold can act as a mini “shock” to the nervous system and help it reset.

    “7) Smell the flowers. The scent of lavender can decrease anxiety and reduce stress… smell fresh or dried lavender flowers together instead, focusing on how the scent makes them feel.

    “8) Move like an animal. Ask the child what animal they feel like right now, then invite them to move how that animal moves (e.g. a grumpy bear might stomp around the room, or a sad snake might slowly slither on their stomach). Then ask them what animal they would rather feel like, and invite them to move that way instead (eg. a happy bird might flit around the room on tip toe ). This activity, inspired by somatic therapy, helps children shift their emotions by moving in a way that matches their desired emotional state.

    “9) Have a smiling contest. Face the child with your cheesiest grin, and have them do the same. See how long you can both keep smiling for. Research shows that facial expressions ca have a small, but significant impact on our emotions: turning your frown upside down can really make you happier!

    10) Tense then release. Invite the child to clench their fists as tight as they can, then exhale to release. Repeat several times, or see what it feels like to tense different body parts like their legs, arms, or even their face! This exercise is a form of progressive muscle relaxation, which has been proven to decrease heart rate and reduce cortisol levels.

    11) Play a mindful game. Play frog jumps, shake it up, balloon arms, or freeze dance together.  By connecting children’s movements to their senses, these games help children to regulate their bodies, sensations, and thoughts…. 12) Reflect together… Ask children to reflect on questions like: “how did my body feel before? How does it feel now? How did I help myself when I was feeling ____? How can I help myself next time I feel this way?

    Books: (1) Helping Preschool-Age Children Learn SELF REGULATION (“focuses on skill-training for preschool-age children..”)

    (2) Emotion Regulation in Children and Adolescents

    (3) How are you feeling right now? (“helps kids and toddlers identify feelings and emotions… Creating a calmer environment at home is a major key to helping children regulate their emotions. So is giving your children a designated area in your home to make their own peaceful space, allowing them a chance to regain their composure”)

    (4) Blow: An Emotional Regulation Guide for Children (“children are guided through the simple yet powerful technique of taking deep breaths, using the imagery of blowing out a birthday candle as a focal point…Perfect for children ages 2 to 6”)

    (5) Emotions and feelings flipbook (“With each flip of the page, you’ll spark new thoughts and ideas…The user guide questions serve as prompts for rich and meaningful conversations, allowing children to explore emotions from different angles and perspectives”)

    (6) Social Emotional Learning Activities for Kids: 50+ Practical Activities for Emotional Regulation, Social Skills… (“50+ activities to use in your classrooms to interact with kids and foster emotional intelligence in them”).

    (7) Creative Ways to Help Children Regulate and Manage Anger: Ideas and Activities for Working with Anger and Emotional Regulation (“Support children to better understand and manage their anger with this practical guide of therapeutic activities… this book provides practical advice for working with children aged 4-12 and families navigating issues of anger and emotional regulation. The book includes over fifty playful, practical, and purposeful activities to use in therapy…This is the ultimate tool for therapists looking to develop their clinical practice with creative ways to help children manage their anger”)

    (8) My Feelings Workbook (“This workbook…  not only helps children figure out how they feel but WHERE they feel. With enough practice children will gain mastery over even their more intense feelings. In the process they learn how to build stronger bridges between their emotional minds and their thinking minds. This workbook contains fun activities… Helping children to focus on where and how their emotions are felt in their bodies will allow them to process and deal with these intense feelings”)

    (9) The Feelings Activity Workbook for Children (“When children can identify their feelings, they’re better able to work through them and express them in a positive way…  filled with activities that teach kids to understand their feelings and practice healthy methods for managing them”)

    (10) My Body Sends A Signal: Helping Kids Recognize Emotions and Express Feelings (” Like us, adults, kids have a wide range of feelings. They get happy, jealous, disgusted, angry, nervous, sad, proud, worried, and excited. But at a very young age, they simply don’t possess the vocabulary to express their feelings verbally. They express their feelings through tantrums, mimicry, physical movements, and gestures. These expressions are often sweet and funny, but sometimes they just drive us nuts! …This book will also expand your children’s vocabulary by offering them different words to express their feelings”)

    (11) The Big Feelings Book for Children: Mindfulness Moments to Manage Anger, Excitement, Anxiety, and Sadness (“Help kids get through big feelings with mindfulness activities for ages 5 to 7”)

    (12) Flooded: A Brain-Based Guide to Help Children Regulate Emotions (“When your brain perceives danger, your body and mind will go instantly into one of three modes-flight, fight, or freeze. Your heart races, your body tenses up, your hands shake, and your emotions take over rational thought. You’ve entered The Flood Zone. When children experience The Flood Zone, their behavior changes. They yell, bite, or run away. They withdraw and lose concentration. They blame and lie. In this state, children are unable to be rational, regulated, or otherwise compliant…”).

    anita

    seaturtle
    Participant

     

    The last I had heard from N was that my stuff was gone and I was blocked. After that, I spoke with you of my trajectory to move on from the whole thing and accept I wouldn’t be seeing him, likely ever again. Then last monday I get a text from him in the middle of the day, saying he wanted closure and to talk if I would be willing to get a coffee or “at least a phone call.” I said I was available for a coffee, but that my sister A would be in town until Sunday so I could meet him then, he said ok.

    • After this event, I was flooded with nervous energy. I witnessed my lower vibrational self, solely my sacral and heart chakras lighting up. My thoughts were jumping all over the place from maybe he has changed and we could work.
    • The next morning I woke up clearer, my third eye woke up and my sacral and heart had mellowed down enough for me to hear my higher vibrational self. Realizing it was an illusion that he had changed and the way I would show up to seeing him, would be to give him closure if I could but overall hold to the fact I had no regrets with the breakup and did not want to get back together.

    On wednesday evening he texts me again saying he is not sure if meeting will be good or not because he has nothing positive to say.

    • I was frustrated that I had to see that message right before I was about to go to sleep after a great day with my sister. Why now? I thought, my sister is here and he knows that, how selfish. But then I felt on some level that since I was selfish with ending the relationship, maybe he was allowed to be selfish too. I responded telling him it was up to him, that I had no intentions to blame him and make him feel badly, that my only intention was to grow, and the fact meeting would be so uncomfortable, we both had an opportunity to grow. I also said I did not want to enter a situation where he was only going to show me contempt. He asked me “why didn’t you break up with me a year ago” I began to respond but then erased my reply and said I would talk about it on sunday, it was 10pm and I wanted to go to sleep. He said he wouldn’t show contempt and wanted to grow too and asked me to pick a cafe since I knew better..

    Saturday evening I send him the location of the cafe and say “11:30?” he responds with a long message full of contempt. Saying “actually I’m gonna pass…I just can’t get over how much of a selfish asshole you are”

    • I did my best to relax, so that I did not hold anything in, as I did with the “you have no clue what love is” conversation. I responded as centered as I could, saying “it is fine with me not to meet, I was doing it for you, not for me.” after I said that I realized that it was for me too but I didn’t want to go back. He sent another hateful message, then another. he said “I read your retarded poem a thousand times” I had my sister take my phone and she read another message, I saw her flinch with sadness and she asked “can I just delete this? you shouldn’t read it.” I thought about it then said yes, just delete it all and block him. She did, such an awesome sister right!?
    • The next day I went to the cafe after dropping her off at the airport, and I am not sure if this was a good idea or not, but I unblocked him just long enough to send him one last message, after all those messages the night before that I did not engage in. Then immediately blocked him again so that he couldn’t respond, I had read enough of his hate and held back from saying things I wanted to for him but why?
    • I said: You used another opportunity to just show me contempt, just as you said you wouldn’t. You operate at such a low vibrational level, keeping yourself stuck in this survival world where you create your own torment and push light, love and vulnerability out of your life. The bottom of the pyramid where you insist you need to be, is operated by your ego, which fears growth/change. You require certain circumstances to just be present, you cannot just be, and that is not a life I wanted to live with you. The very fact you don’t have the mental strength and depth to see me today is the true reason I broke up with you. It was a mistake to leave that poem, I should have known you weren’t deep enough to understand at what level of control I was speaking. Ironic you once told me I was uncomfortable with being uncomfortable but really you are. It is harder to be aware of my demons and check my ego. You are so full of sadness and anger and it shows (during and after knowing you). C (his roommate) operated at an even lower level than you and that is why I couldn’t even stand to be near him, and why I didn’t want to live there. In the first year we were together your vibration was higher, but I think that was just apart of your honeymoon phase self, that fell lower and lower as we fell into what real life would be like. Perhaps also contributing is your heavy weed addiction that is spiritually known to bring you to a lower sense of self, blocking out truth. I loved a version of you that will never actually be. I loved you so much but you have dragged me down for the last time. So congratulations you have completely pushed the last bit of love and light out of your life because I am done trying to help you.

    Then I got home from the cafe and he was at my door.

    He began the conversation by flustering me, asking me a money question. For some reason the hospital called him about my surgery, which he was not my emergency contact so I have no idea why. They told him I still owed some of the co-pay and N had previously helped me pay for it so he was asking me all these questions about where the money went. The same sort of questioning as at the grocery store, it makes me anxious when I am questioned and consequentially makes me not really remember what happened. Him showing up at my home and starting the conversation trying to make me uncomfortable is literally all the validation I need I do not want to be with him and I am so happy I am not.

    Things he said in person :

    – I think you want to care but you don’t know how

    – I hope you don’t turn out like your mom, she is a weird lady.

    – he thought my sister calling him by mistake, was on purpose.. me trying to get his attention

    – He cried telling me he would have taken a bullet for me

    – told me his friend, D, the one who I liked and he knows that, told me multiple times that D now hates me.

    – You have alot to learn about the world and that is something I worried about with you cause I can’t teach you everything…

    • I think he was referring to my comment how I am not driven by money and property in this world. And also his ability to withstand physical discomfort… which yes, I am only now seeing the benefits to not try and control a moment, and he was also referring to that.

    – “I think you lack life experience”

    Overall, being in person was strange. We made alot of eye contact, which I am surprised he was able to. I also expected him to come to me with anger and hate… but instead he put up a very sad front. Began the conversation with things like “you just think everything is my fault” just poor me poor me, type of statements. When he did this, it shut me up… it had this affect on me where I didn’t say things that were reasons I didn’t want to be with him, because I felt like he would just say “I told you so, of course it is all my fault.”: In other words I didn’t say truth because he wouldn’t of even heard it and when I don’t think a person will even hear something I just am quiet, what’s the point. I found myself trying to defend the way I broke up with him, that I felt bad it was so quick. But the next day over text I was able to express “it was quick because if you would have had a second to show me your sad self, I would have wanted to make you feel better. Also interesting is after he left, I found myself wanting to want to go after him… like the image of it seemed like it would have made him so happy, but it wouldn;t have made me happy so I didn’t. When I speak with you, my sister, my parents, my roommate, truly most people, I find it natural to raise the vibrations of the environment, stimulating things like growth, deeper conversation and just playful curiosity about the world. These parts of me felt blocked in his presence… I was not able to let my light shine. This is how it was in the relationship as well, I felt dimmed and I couldn’t understand why. I still wonder why I didn’t feel my bright self when he was there, I tried to access it but it didn’t feel accessible and I really want to understand why that is. We had regular conversation about how our families were doing and such, and that made me comfortable and I wanted him to stay. But I still felt like he could not really see me because I didn’t feel like myself..

     

    Over text the next day:

    – he brought up a time he was vulnerable with me, one of very very few, so few in fact I remember it vividly and I didn’t know how to respond, he said he was uncomfortable so I tried to help move the conversation to another topic. He told me I hurt his feelings in that moment. The next day we continued a text thread cause both of us had more to say that being in person didn’t lead to, told him I value exploring myself and he didn’t and he said  “I was also trying to explore myself. it took me two years to tell you something about myself that I’ve never told anyone. I got a pat on the back and it was onto the next conversation” I said that is not what I meant by “journey to understand myself” that “I am talking about all the questions I would ask. Like why do I think this way, why did you react that way, what is the disconnect here?…questions like that was me trying to grow and I feel like you thought my questions were stupid. But like what sucks is I feel that is one of the best parts about me is that I am so curious, and I swear it just annoyed you” and he said “I love curiosity. Maybe I didn’t want to grow” Then he went on to just say I hurt his feelings with my reaction to his vulnerability that one time. He said:

    – “you hurt my feeling sin that moment. You’ve hurt my feelings many times not often, but it did happen. But you always just had “great” excuses. whenever I hurt your feelings my excuses or intentions did not matter and were unacceptable, all that mattered was you and how you felt in that moment” I responded: ” I feel so bad that I hurt your feelings in that moment. I am so sorry” then in another message “When you hurt my feelings it didn’t feel lke you were trying to look at yourself, it felt like you were trying to justify yourself and there is a difference. There’s a difference ebtween taking defensiveness away and being able to pause and consider “why am I doing this?” versus “how do I make this make sense to them.”

    – He replied: “that is a clear difference…I struggle with what does or doesn’t have control over me in this world, and i think there is not way around said situation because “ive been controlled” thus my excuse. realizing i let these things control me was the first step in the right direction.”

    • after I read this I felt confused, not fulling understanding how that related to justifying his behaviors rather than looking at himself… does this message read “lost” to you?

    -He said “when I met you I was at a pretty good place with myself, but we went thru a lot of struggling things and we decided to take on some challenges and I lost myself a bit.” Then he went on to say how quickly I broke up with him was heartless…

    • I need your help here Anita. Because seeing into this conversation is to see into how it was to talk to him in the relationship, it is like he is not fully understanding what I am saying, his responses feel superficial compared to where I am coming from and it is confusing. I feel like talking to him really challenges my third eye to stay open. When he was at my apartment talking I felt blocked in my third eye. How it was in the relationship too, we talk and I feel like he has this gravitational pull about him to come to the more superficial world and it makes me lose what I was saying.

    – I responded to all that, “on the first part, nothing controls you…in the present moment there is not pain, there is nothing but just simply being and life. Any sort of pain is caused by past and present, which don’t even exist they only bring grief and anxiety. Nothing controls you and that’s why life is actually so cool.” He didn’t respond to this portion. Reading it back I think my intention behind saying this was to try and raise the vibration, because his last message was an attempt to drag me down, he went on and on about the heartless breakup and again how I don’t know what love is. I acknowledged his obvious comments, “the breakup wasn’t meant ot be out of love, it was self preservation. Because I came to the conclusion that I didn’t feel seen or protected by you. At the breakup I mentioned the cash at the store and the c-word incident and when you couldn’t apologize for either I felt giving you my heart would have been disrespectful to myself”

    – He said: “Exactly so the c word incident is what I was trying to show you an example of in reference to the first part of your response, why are you letting a little bit of vibrational air have so much control over your feelings that was my whole point in the care ride.. And the cash you actaully might be crazy for that one (two laughing emojis)”

    – my last long reply: Ok you are going down to that lower vibration with this message and I will only tolerate so much of that… the c word wasn’t about the hot air. it was the fact my potential future husband was doing something repettively that made me uncomfortable. who cares if it is valid to feel uncomfortable about it, what matters is why? why couldn’t you just be the one person out of this nasty world not to try to make me uncomfortable. On the cash, the fact you call me crazy on it is the whole issue. You are refusing to look at yourself, there was an undertone of energy there no matter how much you deny it… I can tell when there is more to what someone is saying and you are in so much denial, that is what is crazy”

    – All he said after that whole message was “ok”

    – I then said “he still can’t apologize I’m shocked” “Let’s just end this cycle now and say our goodbyes on a good note” and we did.

     

    A novel by Seaturtle!

     

    #431524
    anita
    Participant

    Re-submitted:

    Dear Kshiti:

    You are welcome!

    What scares me is how I visualise myself while imagining what if situations, how I imagine myself weeping in a closed room shutting myself from everything else, with no desire to do anything for self care or for taking myself out of that situation– what you are describing here is depression and helplessness- the feeling that you are unable to help yourself, giving up on trying.

    I mentioned helplessness to you back on page 1 of your thread, but I don’t think that I brought up the topic of learned helplessness.

    very well mind/ learned helplessness: “Learned helplessness occurs when a person who has experienced repeated challenges comes to believe they have no control over their situation. They then give up trying to make changes and accept their fate. In animals, learned helplessness occurs when an animal is repeatedly subjected to an aversive stimulus that it cannot escape. Eventually, the animal will stop trying to avoid the stimulus and behave as if it is utterly helpless to change the situation. Even when opportunities to escape are presented, this learned helplessness will prevent any action…

    ”When people feel that they have no control over their situation, they may begin to behave in a helpless manner. This inaction can lead people to overlook opportunities for relief or change… People may be left feeling that no matter what they do or how hard they work, nothing will make a difference…

    ”Learned helplessness often originates in childhood, and unreliable or unresponsive caregivers can contribute to these feelings… When children need help but no one comes to their aid, they may be left feeling that nothing they do will change their situation. Repeated experiences that bolster these feelings of helplessness and hopelessness can result in growing into adulthood ultimately feeling that there is nothing one can do to change his or her problems. Some common symptoms of learned helplessness in children include: Failure to ask for help, Frustration, Giving up, Lack of effort, Low self-esteem, Passivity, Poor motivation, Procrastination.

    ”Learned helplessness can also result in anxiety, depression, or both.11 When kids feel that they’ve had no control over the past events of their lives, they gain the expectation that future events will be just as uncontrollable. Because they believe that nothing they do will ever change the outcome of an event, kids are often left thinking that they should not even bother trying…”.</p>
    Learned helplessness is evident in wat you shared back in Feb: “I get flashbacks of what I felt during that time, some examples are – ‘nothing ever gets better’ ‘there is no point of looking for my wellbeing’…  I began feeling that just when things started to become better, they went for worse… I began to think that it’s pointless to keep hopes as all I got was traumatic setbacks again and again… I felt that no matter how much I tried, things would always get worse”.What do you think about this, Kshiti?

    anita

    #431523
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Kshiti:

    You are welcome!

    What scares me is how I visualise myself while imagining what if situations, how I imagine myself weeping in a closed room shutting myself from everything else, with no desire to do anything for self care or for taking myself out of that situation– what you are describing here is depression and helplessness- the feeling that you are unable to help yourself, giving up on trying.

    I mentioned helplessness to you back on page 1 of your thread, but I don’t think that I brought up the topic of learned helplessness.

    very well mind/ learned helplessness: “Learned helplessness occurs when a person who has experienced repeated challenges comes to believe they have no control over their situation. They then give up trying to make changes and accept their fate. In animals, learned helplessness occurs when an animal is repeatedly subjected to an aversive stimulus that it cannot escape. Eventually, the animal will stop trying to avoid the stimulus and behave as if it is utterly helpless to change the situation. Even when opportunities to escape are presented, this learned helplessness will prevent any action…

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    <p id=”mntl-sc-block_1-0-4″ class=”comp mntl-sc-block mntl-sc-block-html”>”When people feel that they have no control over their situation, they may begin to behave in a helpless manner. This inaction can lead people to overlook opportunities for relief or change… People may be left feeling that no matter what they do or how hard they work, nothing will make a difference…</p>

    </article><article id=”wellness-article_1-0″ class=”comp mntl-article–three-column sc-ad-container primary-image right-rail wellness-article mntl-article” data-tracking-container=”true”>

    <p id=”mntl-sc-block_1-0-60″ class=”comp mntl-sc-block mntl-sc-block-html”>”Learned helplessness often originates in childhood, and unreliable or unresponsive caregivers can contribute to these feelings… When children need help but no one comes to their aid, they may be left feeling that nothing they do will change their situation. Repeated experiences that bolster these feelings of helplessness and hopelessness can result in growing into adulthood ultimately feeling that there is nothing one can do to change his or her problems. Some common symptoms of learned helplessness in children include: Failure to ask for help, Frustration, Giving up, Lack of effort, Low self-esteem, Passivity, Poor motivation, Procrastination.</p>
    <p class=”comp mntl-sc-block mntl-sc-block-html”>”Learned helplessness can also result in anxiety, depression, or both.11 When kids feel that they’ve had no control over the past events of their lives, they gain the expectation that future events will be just as uncontrollable. Because they believe that nothing they do will ever change the outcome of an event, kids are often left thinking that they should not even bother trying…”.</p>
    Learned helplessness is evident in wat you shared back in Feb: “I get flashbacks of what I felt during that time, some examples are – ‘nothing ever gets better’ ‘there is no point of looking for my wellbeing’…  I began feeling that just when things started to become better, they went for worse… I began to think that it’s pointless to keep hopes as all I got was traumatic setbacks again and again… I felt that no matter how much I tried, things would always get worse”.

    What do you think about this, Kshiti?

    anita

    </article> 

    seaturtle
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I have thought of you several times over the past couple weeks. A lot has happened, my sister was here for a week, I have been spending many mornings doing a course with the author of the Untethered soul, on audible. It makes me have to look within, like our conversations and I think I can only take one or the other right now. I’d like to come here to catch-up with you very soon, I am still deciding how I feel about certain recent events. N reached out, wanted to meet, then canceled and changed his mind several times till I decided to block his number and then he showed up at my apartment on Sunday. So I am still processing that, I got some closure but im starting to think closure is an illusion because it is only temporary and I wish I said other things already. I was disappointed in how I fell into a pattern with him, but at least my growth is represented by my ability to see it the following day. He does this thing where he approaches me sad and makes me feel like I want to comfort him…even if it is not telling the whole truth. For example I am so sure he’s not right for me, he is just too out of touch. But while he was here I found myself not saying things or saying things in ways that I knew he wanted to hear.. at the time I was unaware of what I was doing. Now that I know I do this if I ever see him again I will keep that in mind. He also just showed up unannounced and that was unfair to catch me off guard. Also he still claims he was joking at the store when asking me about the cash, and in that moment I realized how good of a decision I made by leaving someone so out of touch, and in so much denial. He blamed a lot of our issues on his weed used which I had no idea he was aware of cause when prompted he said he used it to self medicate anxiety so I just accepted that. He also said I was right all along of his roommate! I always told him I did not trust his roommate and sure enough he recently lied and stole from N. N kept saying he’s just too nice of a guy… that he falls for peoples lies, including mine when I told him I loved him. I think even he knows that’s self preservation thought because several times he said he wanted to hate me so bad. He got emotional but I am not sure the intentions behind the tears because the result was me not being able to tell the full truth, that I was in fact sure I made the right decision.

     

    More tomorrow when I am more conscious. I meant to come here just to check in but I ended up writing a little journal entry. Have a good night!

    Seaturtle (misses Anita)

    #431494
    anita
    Participant

    Continued:

    I am not trying to let go of my old, unmet need to have a mother’s love, but of the need to have that person‘s love.

    I accept her inability to love people. I don’t accept her willingness to hurt people: (1) her forming the intent to punch (with hands or with words), followed by (2) a plan to deliver the verbal punch (choosing the most hurtful words possible, tailored to hurt the individual person), then (3) delivering the punch, and (4) looking at (me) intently, with anticipation, waiting for the effect of her words to take hold, and when the effect was detected (the shame, the pain on my face visible), there it was: that little smile on her face, the corners of her mouth going up ever so slightly.

    I accept her inability to love, her lack of education, her lack of intelligence; I have all the empathy in the world for the pain she suffered growing up, the terrible abuses she suffered, and I would have done everything in my power, if I existed back then, to save the girl that she was.

    But I can’t accept the woman she became, her intent to hurt me, planning it, executing it and finding pleasure in a job well-done.

    Going back to the title of this thread, there is ongoing Fear aka Anxiety when one grows up (more accurately, grow-in) with someone who finds pleasure in seeing pain on my face. And there’s no one to help me, to shield me; no mother for me.

    No Mother for Me– this could be a title for a book.

    But there is Healing for me, not complete healing of course, but enough to make life interesting and significantly less painful.

    It helps me a lot to redefine “mother” from the person =>  the experience of mutual affection and ongoing trust with the person.

    anita

     

     

    #430710
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Sunny:

    You asked me what I think of replies that you received from other members. My practice on the rare occasions when I comment on other responders’ input, is to only mention what I agree with, not what I disagree with. I express my own understandings in my own replies, so there is no need to mention or argue against others’ replies. Of course, I sometimes make mistakes, and so do others. I am open to correct my mistakes and work for a better and more thorough understanding the longer I communicate with members.

    If you disagree with some (or all) of my expressed understanding below, please let me know. Some of what follows, if correct, will be difficult to read because it might make you feel badly, but (again, if correct),  reading and considering what follows, at your own timing and pace, can be of significant help for you.

    The day before my partners first day of work, there was an argument between us. This resulted in tension on his first day and he shared he felt very lonely“- the argument harmed him.

    We both have shared that after fighting, sometimes it’s hard to just bounce back to normalcy“- the fighting harmed him, you and the relationship.

    he stated that I prioritized the wrong emotions and that I should have been there for him on his first day of work… The fight we had was about surprises and gift giving. He kept saying he did not know what I wanted as a gift and that I never tell him anything which was incorrect. There are a few things I wanted and I shared that with him multiple times… I became a bit frustrated because to me it felt like he was not listening to what I was saying all those times of me saying I want something. That is what started the argument between us. It turns out he was only saying that to throw me off but I wasn’t aware of that…(to) surprise me because he in fact did get me those presents“-

    – I believe that I now understand what happened: your partner was about to start a new job. It was the day before his first day at work. He was anxious about the next day and needed you to be there for him, to calm down his anxiety about the next day. But instead of calming down his anxiety, you added to his anxiety by arguing about him saying that he didn’t remember what birthday gifts you repeatedly told him that you want from him.

    He has a very valid point, Sunny. You did indeed placed the wrong emotional priority that day: you should have not questioned him and argued with him about him not listening to you, especially on the day before his first day at work. Arguing increases anxiety, the opposite of what he needed.

    Think of it from a practical angle: for him to be able to buy you the gifts you want, he’d need a job, so to make the money to purchase the gifts. From this perspective alone, it was a priority on that day that you calm his anxiety, and in so doing, increase his chances to do well on the first day of his new job.

    He said he felt lonely and overwhelmed.. He said that he needed me there but I wasn’t there. He also stated how he wants his partner to offer these things at a time of need as well as in general and not seeing that from me is sending him into a state of confusion, anxiety and stress“- the arguing did all this to him, it made him feel very badly. He doesn’t want the type of relationship that sends him into a state of confusion, anxiety and stress, a very valid assertion.

    “While I do understand that I may not have been there for him on his first day, I was trying to release tension between us“- you were trying to release tension within you, not tension between you and him. By arguing with him, you created tension between the two of you.

    “which is why I felt like I wasn’t prioritizing the wrong emotions here“- I believe that you did indeed prioritize the wrong emotions on that day. Putting aside the fact that he did remember what gifts you wanted, already purchased them, and was trying to throw you off so that you will be surprised when he gives you the gifts, what caused you the tension within, what distressed you on that day was that you felt that he didn’t listen to you:

    it felt like he was not listening to what I was saying all those times of me saying I want something“- reads like growing up, you weren’t listened to…? It is possible that the tension within you in regard to not being listened to, existed way before you met your partner, and this past tension re-awakens in adult situations when you are being listened to..?

    “I was only trying to make things better between us. Is that so much of a bad thing?“-  a state of confusion, anxiety and stress is a bad thing. It’s bad for one’s performance on the first day of work, it’s bad for one’s health, plus many people have accidents, get injured and even die while in that state.

    I just feel like although he has valid reasons for being upset, it’s not like I was intentionally dismissing his important day and feelings. I was still trying to figure out what was wrong between us and wanted to work things through. But it feels like it’s all my fault“- indeed, you were not intentionally dismissing his important day and his feelings, but in practice, you did.

    Sunny, I was in the wrong many times, and felt very guilty for it. it took me a long time to resolve that guilt by becoming aware when my words and actions were indeed wrong, and changing the ways I talk/ type and interact with people. It takes enduring valid guilt and changing behaviors that need to be changed.

    In regard to other members’ replies in your thread: I think that learning Non Violent Communication (NVC)is an excellent advice. It’s about resolving disagreements through compassion. You can research the topic online. Focusing on positives during disagreements is also excellent advice (it’s part of NVC). Just talk. No yelling, is another excellent advice, again, in line with NVC.

    You asked in your original post, “Is there any advice you can give?“- I will be glad to address this question further after you respond to this post, if you choose to, when you do.

    anita

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