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  • #115844
    jm bee
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    Hi,

    I am new here but it seemed like a good place to start finding out how to navigate such a sticky subject in my life.

    I can’t figure out how to find a good medium ground between compassionate and firm boundaries.

    Whenever I am compassionate and kind to those who disrespect me, I end up feeling like a doormat.

    Whenever I am assertive and firm and cold with those who disrespect me, I feel like a heartless monster.

    Here is the latest example:

    A guy I was dating belittled me in front of our mutual friends and acquaintances.

    We were playing cards, and for some reason or another, his temper was flaring that evening.

    He eventually snapped and laid into me, to which I did not respond. I quietly looked away and down, hoping he would stop if I did not retaliate in kind.

    He continued. “Look at me, I’m talking to you, you fucking coward!”

    He continued on like this and nobody said a thing. I said my goodbyes, got up and left. He said something to the effect of “good playing,” as if as the anger and lashing did not just occur.

    I then did not talk to him – a couple days later he sent me a text with a non-apology apology. Essentially, it said: “Maybe you were too busy playing so well to notice the thing that upset me, and I was frazzled and didn’t notice you didn’t notice. Sorry.”

    That was his idea of an apology, so of course, I ignored it. It did not matter if I noticed or not – there was no excuse to lay into me the way he did.

    Then we have seen each other at our usual hang outs but I did not speak to him. Finally, last night, I texted “To be fair to you I will let you know I had an issue with how you spoke to me” and he said “I know, I understand”

    then I said – one more thing if he was awake? and he said he was half asleep so I said it can wait

    him: Half awake. Did u get the text from Friday? 12:59 AM
    Me: yes, I did but I wasn’t ready to reply. 1:00 AM
    him: OK. Just wanted to make sure, your phone misses some texts. 1:01 AM
    Me: it’s not urgent – good night 1:01 AM
    him: I’m here if you want to talk 1:02 AM

    now in the past I have been the kind and compassionate person, and it left me feeling hard done by and like I was not respecting myself.
    I took the time to think about how to best lay out my boundaries

    so the next day i texted (also please note I do not like to text long missives but preferred to write this so there would be no room for miscommunication):

    Me: As I said, I did get your text. It said the word ‘sorry.’ Yet…

    It deflected the issue & instead focused on why you forgive me. You know better. More importantly, I know better. I am a grown ass woman, [redacted], and I have no tolerance for that. 4:35 PM

    him: Well. I’m sorry for how I reacted he ting angry. Not for getting angry. There’s a difference. 4:37 PM

    Me: Being angry is OK. Emotions are OK. Abuse is not OK. 4:38 PM
    Me: My issue isn’t with anything other than your choice to direct anger at me. “Look at me, you fucking coward.” [a note: those are words he used at me during his angry tirade] Your text said, “It’s ok, maybe you didn’t notice you …” Not one mention of verbal lashing.

    I am trying to express it in kindness, but I have to be firm to be kind to my own boundaries, too. Anger is suffering, and I am sorry that you suffer. I don’t want to also suffer. 4:55 PM

    OK, so as I said, that is about as harsh as I have even been with him or anyone who was verbally abusive. I feel like I was too harsh now.

    Please give me some general advice about this. I googled the heck out of this before sending this, looking for good advice and found none about setting boundaries in a firm AND kind way.

    Maybe next time I just don’t explain? But I wanted to be honest and clear for his sake

    #115846
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear intuition:

    You wrote: “Whenever I am compassionate and kind to those who disrespect me, I end up feeling like a doormat.”

    When you are clearly being disrespected and abused, the thing to do at that moment is to assert yourself, not to be compassionate and kind to the one disrespecting and abusing you.

    Maybe at a later time, if a person sincerely apologizes to you, corrects his behavior and makes amends to you- then you can choose to forgive that person and show him compassion and kindness. But not until such correction is made by the offending party.

    I am not sure if this is a text you sent the guy who abused you, the one in your example: “Anger is suffering, and I am sorry that you suffer..” Is that what you texted him?

    anita

    #115852
    jm bee
    Participant

    Thank you for your response, Anita.
    Yes, that is what I texted him.

    In its entirety I said:

    “As I said, I did get your text. It said the word ‘sorry.’ Yet…

    It deflected the issue & instead focused on why you forgive me. You know better. More importantly, I know better. I am a grown ass woman, [redacted], and I have no tolerance for that.

    Being angry is OK. Emotions are OK. Abuse is not OK. 4:38 PM
    My issue isn’t with anything other than your choice to direct anger at me. “Look at me, you fucking coward.” [a note: those are words he used at me during his angry tirade] Your text said, “It’s ok, maybe you didn’t notice you …” Not one mention of verbal lashing.

    I am trying to express it in kindness, but I have to be firm to be kind to my own boundaries, too. Anger is suffering, and I am sorry that you suffer. I don’t want to also suffer.”

    I appreciate your taking the time to respond.

    #115855
    jm bee
    Participant

    The part in brackets I did not text, but added here for context.

    #115856
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear intuition:

    When abused as he (verbally) abused you, it is not the time for you to be kind to him. Angry seems natural, not kind. But unlike him you can make sure you don’t abuse him when angry, so you don’t call him names or hit him. You say something with anger and the firmeness that comes with anger, something like: “It is wrong of you to talk to me like this! You have no right!”

    I like the distinction you made between anger and abuse: “Being angry is OK. Emotions are OK. Abuse is not OK”

    I whole heartedly and mindedly agree!

    anita

    #115857
    jm bee
    Participant

    Thank you. I don’t know why I needed to hear someone tell me that, but I did — It just didn’t click. It is hard for me to stand up for myself, it is not so difficult for me to stand up for other people.

    I need to start thinking of myself as my own friend and then defend myself as I would a friend. 🙂

    Thanks again, I feel much better about being so direct.

    #115878
    lovepeacesoul
    Participant

    I struggled with the same type of individual: my ex. He would verbally abuse me and then shift all the blame on me for not understanding what I did to make him upset in the first place. He was never willing to acknowledge his complete overreaction and tantrums. I felt SO defeated as a person and my already low self esteem plummeted even lower. So I TOTALLY understand your issue. This was a CONSTANT issue between us and I stayed with him for 4 years. Oh the torture!!

    But I just wanted to share that with you and let you know that you have to understand your own worth first. I have always struggled with feeling that I was a pushover and I felt like people always took advantage of it.

    You were NOT too harsh. You let him know exactly how you felt without being disrespectful and you have every right to do that. If he refuses to understand and to continue to be nonchalant, maybe you need to remove that type of energy from your life. You seem like a wonderful person with a loving and kind soul. Best of luck to you in this situation!

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 7 months ago by lovepeacesoul.
    #115900
    jm bee
    Participant

    Thank you, peacelovesoul! I am sorry you had to deal with something similar. I think abusive words can certainly an undue toll on our self esteem…I hope you have grown to understand your own value and worth. 🙂

    #115903
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear intuition:

    You are welcome. Indeed you are worth just as much as the people you stand up for, so standing up for yourself is as reasonable as standing up for anyone else who is abused. You are as worthy!

    And it is your primary responsibility to stand up for yourself, to protect and promote your own well being.

    anita

    #115904
    Anonymous
    Guest

    One more thing, intuition, about what you texted the guy who verbally abused you: ““Anger is suffering, and I am sorry that you suffer..” – this is why I mentioned it in my first reply to you, it needs clarification:

    Feeling anger and not expressing it, hiding it as if it was a bad feeling, unjustified, while trying to act kindly toward the person abusing you- that is suffering.

    Feeling anger and expressing it assertively- that is not suffering- once you stand up for yourself, being direct and clear, that feels good.

    Unfortunately the following is also true: feeling anger and expressing it aggressively, abusively also feels good to the abuser. This is why it abusers often repeat abusing- it feels better.

    And so, when you texted the guy that you are sorry for his suffering, I believe he didn’t suffer. You did!

    anita

    #115910
    jm bee
    Participant

    Thank you for the perspective. That is really helpful. I made that comment in reference to a book — which he had lent me, called Anger, by Thich Nhat Hanh. He was telling me how it had helped him overcome some anger issues (though I truly think he needs to re-read it!) I was telling him I do not want to take his abuse, caused by his anger/suffering, and then suffer because of him…

    In that book, it speaks of anger as a manifestation of suffering and it can be a tendency to wish to make others suffer. But you are right. In his release of his anger, he was relieving all his suffering — at me. That is a great perspective on why asserting my boundaries FIRMLY is important to those who wish to use me to abuse me. He was fine. I was the one left suffering.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 7 months ago by jm bee.
    • This reply was modified 7 years, 7 months ago by jm bee. Reason: typos!
    #115924
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear intuition:

    You are welcome and I agree: “He was fine. I was the one left suffering.”
    anita

    #115966
    jm bee
    Participant

    Well, I saw him at a mutual hang out tonight, and I avoided him entirely, purposefully, and when it looked like he had left, I sat down to talk to some people playing a game. I asked before sitting, “May I join?” and they said yes, the seat was open, so I sat down.

    Soon after, he came back in — I thought he had left! He walked over and picked up his keys and began dangling them in my face.

    It was annoying to me, so I stated “Please do not do that.”

    Then he said, in a harsh tone, “Is there a reason you are sitting in my seat? My keys are here! My stuff is here!”

    (Please note: He was already knocked out of the game and technically is no longer allowed to sit at the table – it is a free poker league)

    I said, “If you are going to talk to me the way you were last week, I am leaving” and got up and he said “Good! I get my seat back!”

    Geez!

    So I walked over to watch a friend play, and when he got knocked out and we were leaving, I remembered your words and this advice and decided to stand my ground.

    “[Redacted]?”

    He looks at me.

    me “If you speak to me, you are either going to speak to me respectfully or not at all.”

    him “I was being respectful, you took my seat! And –”

    me “Your tone was not respectful.”

    [he was continuing to talk over me this entire time]

    me “The way you spoke to me the other night was not respectful. If you are going to talk to me, you are either going to talk to me respectfully or not at all. The end.”

    I got up and left and it felt good.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 7 months ago by jm bee.
    #115969
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear intuition:

    Good job! You got up and it felt good, see? It feels good to assert yourself.

    Over time, through practice, like the practice you had tonight, you will get better at it. Like any skill, you get better as you practice, then evaluate and improve over time.

    Post anytime, I would like it if you do.

    anita

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