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    flyby
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    For 20 years I’ve been more than a friend, but never a girlfriend… you know timing, excuses, and fear. In those 20 years he put me through a lot of bad things. I walked away many times (too many to count) and got over the loss and moved on. He came back every time, and although I was reluctant, I forgave him. There was always some encouragement of self improvement I could tell. There were many conversations of forgiveness, commitment, and trust. That said, once we tried to start from the friend level up, *he* failed to make the transition.

    After he has (now admittedly) done many selfish and terrible things to me and our friendship, he is going through a period of reflection. It really seems more like complete detachment. He says he just wants to exist and not be negative to people. I am all about self improvement but I struggle with this on the other end. I have forgiven him for the past and I have encouraged a more positive present. Unfortunately it seems like giving up on this 20 years of work, is just easier than really dealing with the mistakes he made and pain he caused.

    I’m wondering if anyone here has a similar experience on either end of it. Is becoming detached really the best thing when you have been responsible for putting someone through so much pain. Essentially isn’t it just giving up in hopes both sides benefit from quitting?

    Its been 20 years, my friends are so sick of this, so any help from internet strangers is always appreciated.

    #84684
    Peppermint
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    Dear flyby,
    I’m sorry, I’m a bit confused by your post, maybe it’s the language barrier.
    What is it that you expect from your friend? To apologize for the things he did maybe? Or to become your boyfriend instead of just a friend? What are your other friends sick of, concerning your friends behavior?

    #84698
    Ahliyya
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    hi flyby are u by chance in love with this dude? if no, then what exactly do u want from him? if yes then please re examine ur feelings because this guy isn’t serious with u…..please move on

    #84700
    Josi
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    Part of his process is learning to “not be negative to people” and you are his friend. Detach with love and move on. This is completely different than giving up, you are giving him space to find out what he wants. 20 years is an incredibly long time to know someone, and you deserve someone who is ready for an actual relationship. I think he may misunderstand what Zen will do for him personally, it is not a spiritual bypass. If you meditate, let yourself feel whatever you are feeling and let it go. Allow space for the person you are meant to be with.

    #84800
    flyby
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    Yes, this is someone i have been in love with since i was 15, and now im 35. Like i said, Ive walked away and moved on many times, only to forgive him when he made some improvements in himself.
    Personally im okay with me and the past, but i guess he is not.

    Maybe his idea of zen is just an excuse? I just dont understand the concept enough

    #84801
    Anonymous
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    Dear flyby:

    With the little understanding I have of your situation with this guy, it seems to me that it is a shame you spent so much time trying to motivate him to want to be your boyfriend and it is a shame you experienced so much pain in relationship with him. You write that he is practicing detachment, not caring. But it is you that has cared all along, isn’t it? Maybe you can do the zen thing and detach from him? And stay detached, regardless of his future efforts to contact you?

    anita

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