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  • #109468
    Icy
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    I don’t have anyone to really ask about this so I hope someone here can give me some insight that maybe I am missing. Granted, you will get only my side of the issue, but I’ll try to explain how he feels as well.

    A few years now I was complaining about not having enough money for more fun things in life. We are financially secure but of course there could always be more money at the end of the month so we could go on vacations and things and have a nice savings account. I admit, I shouldn’t have complained (whined) about it. We really didn’t need a lot more but apparently my husband felt it was dragging on me so he started making a big effort to get a second job he enjoyed. (We both work full time.)

    He ended up finding a job that he really liked and it could lead to big opportunities. I’m happy for him and it could end up changing his career path to something he really enjoys. This extra job he got ended up turning into a full-time job itself. So right now he works about 80 hours a week. I only see him and can talk with him about 1 hour a day M-F, he works all through the weekends, and sometimes gets to take off a few hours in the evenings one day in the week.

    Needless to say, it is very hard on us. I still work my full time job and have taken over about 99% of the household chores like dishes, laundry, cleaning, etc. He does do things like dishes and laundry once in a while and does do the lawn care.

    The thing that is really bothering me is that he is making all this money from the extra job and I have seen none of it. He first told me that he got the job to help us with money but now he is saying that it’s a job that could help him get better job opportunities, but even so, he’s not sharing the money with me. He feels like he’s putting in the extra effort and time so the money is his..he earned it.

    I feel a little slapped in the face since I’m losing all my time to spend with him and feeling like we are drifting further and further apart and also taking up most of the household chores while still working. He feels like I shouldn’t get any of the extra money because he’s taking all his own time to do the work and put in the effort.

    He’s also gotten opportunities to travel (go to meetings/meet cool people) with this new second job. He says it’s for work so it is not a vacation for a few days. I say it is like a vacation since he gets to travel and I do not…at least he gets to get away some. He has to take time off from his first job to do things for his second, so any vacations we were going to take in the future are put on hold since he doesn’t have enough vacation time for both.
    I told him since he is getting to travel a few times then I would like to go somewhere also by myself (since he wouldn’t have the time off). He told me that the job is paying for the travel for the meetings and stuff and that our combined finances should not go toward just me taking a vacation since the combined fiances aren’t paying for his meeting trips.

    Part of me is starting to feel like he’s trying to live like he’s single. Working all these hours, keeping the money, no time with me, meeting people in an industry that I too am interested in, but I can’t go with him. He tells me that this is his dream industry to be in. I’m all for chasing your dreams, but when I want to travel to chase mine he says no, we can’t afford it. I feel like he is sacrificing his marriage for his dream career.

    Worse, I feel like I caused it all by complaining about wanting more money, so he got a 2nd job, and now it’s tearing us apart.

    I just don’t know if I am in the wrong for feeling as I do or if I should be more understanding/tolerant. Should I be 110% supporting his dreams? (when I bring these issues up, he says I just don’t support him in his dream because I don’t act enthusiastic and don’t care when he talks about all the fun things he is doing). I’m trying to be supportive by doing all the extra chores and stuff but then I can’t help but feeling taken advantage of. He’s getting all the perks, yes he’s putting in all the time and effort, but I’m doing things too and I feel like I’m suffering, yet I’m getting nothing for it.

    #109469
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Icy:

    Happy belated birthday: 32 years young two days ago!

    See, I read some of your past postings. Therefore I have a bit of the bigger picture than if I only read this one. I hope you welcome me addressing the bigger picture, do you?

    In one you were upset about a car accident your husband was involved in. You were happy he wasn’t hurt but you were very angry at him for the expense caused by the accident. And you expressed your anger at him. You were also coming out of SSRI at the time, and wondering if you’d have been less angry if you were still on that drug. Your husband wanted you to go back on psych drugs.

    A month or so later, I think, you went back on psych drugs, a different doctor, and got on “a lesser dose of wellbutrin xl and celexa and that was my magic happiness combo… and am taking the supplement 5-HTP.”

    Are you still on that “magic happiness combo”? Has it helped you since and now?

    A question as to this thread: you and your husband have a mutual financial account and separate accounts: a We account, a He account and a She account?

    anita

    #109473
    Icy
    Participant

    Hi anita. I hope you are doing well. 🙂 Thanks for the birthday wishes! I’m sure I sound like a wreck with my past posts lol. Sometimes I feel like one too. xD Addressing the larger picture is good. I know there is a lot that I cannot see since I’m so close to it and since I have emotional and past depression/anxiety/trust issues..I can miss a lot even though the answers and reasons may be right in front of my face.

    Yes, I’m still on the same medicine, with the 5-htp. It seems like it is keeping me stable most of the time. My emotions are out of wack though at times. I get frustrated with myself since one hour I’m all..oh I love you so much and the it can be..ya not sure if this is going to work with us. It’s always a battle to get the right medicine and make sure it continues working. 🙂

    And yes, we each have our our acct and a joint. We each get a little bit each month to use as we would like to. The money he is getting from his second job however, he has going into his own account.

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 4 months ago by Icy.
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    #109506
    Anonymous
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    Dear Icy:

    I was on three psych drugs for 17 years and although at times I felt good about it, my life did not improve during those 17 years but got worse. So I am not a fan except for short term while attending psychotherapy and gaining insight plus learning skills to manage anxiety and regulate emotions. It’s been a bit over five years since my first good psychotherapy (I was then still on those drugs) and it’s been two years ten months that I am psych drugs free! I can’t believe it. I was told by the psychiatrist that “prognosis is poor” that I will have to be on drugs for the rest of my life.

    So this is my little victory, okay, BIG victory. But I am still anxious, this very day. It takes forever to heal and I don’t know how much I can heal. Anxiety is very powerful. I think fear is the most powerful emotion. I am 55. You are twenty three years younger. I sure hope you get on what I call The Healing Path as well.

    So while you are on those drugs, do the psychotherapy thing- sliding scale, low cost… with a competent therapist. Learn Mindfulness, learn the skills. It is a long road but I experience significant, a whole lot of better living being five years on my healing path.

    Otherwise, things will be just as they are for you, at best, five years, ten years, twenty years from now. Different med combinations, up this, less that, something new and on and on and on. These drugs don’t make life better, other than at times feeling better, they don’t actually improve life circumstances, relationships, job..

    Usually I am more focused answering threads, this evening I feel scattered. Post again, will you?

    anita

    #109507
    Icy
    Participant

    You give me hope Anita. My doctor told me that I’ll probably be on the meds forever. At first I was ok with it, I felt like..ok..if I need them then..ok I guess. Now I don’t feel so enthusiastic. I know I was depressed in the past but now it isn’t so much about feeling hopeless and is more so, the raging different emotions. I haven’t been officially diagnosed as having borderline personality disorder but after taking many online tests and just reading the description..it is me, 100%. I’m now thinking that I don’t need the meds that I’m on so much as I need to learn to control my vicious mood swings and stop the black/white, end all be all thinking. I don’t know how to do that currently. I have a bad fight or flight reaction also and as soon as things start to go south, I feel the urge to jump ship and run away from it/hide from it. I was off the meds for about a year or so a long time ago and boy did I relapse hard after that and since then I’ve been too afraid to try and wean off of them again. I can be a true terror of an emotional nightmare with my meds at times…god..what would it be like with out them?!

    I hope that one day I can get off the meds. I don’t like being dependent on them but with my experience of being off them, sometimes I wonder if it may be better as I said.

    #109511
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Icy:

    When I first read the diagnosis of BPD, Borderline Personality Disorder, I thought bingo, perfect fit. I read it for the first time in my mid/ later twenties. Without mentioning this to my first competent therapist in 2011 when I was 50, he diagnosed me with BPD and based his therapy on this diagnosis. It was CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy), DBT (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy) and Mindfulness.

    For 30 years before this official diagnosis I very much displayed the behaviors to the extreme. At this point, five years of heavy duty healing, guess what- you may not believe it possible- but I no longer fit the diagnosis, not at all. I am still anxious (went for a fast walk outside to relax after I posted to you before) but no BPD behaviors, not even inclinations. How is that possible…?

    We are not born BPD or even anxious, not more anxious than any other baby. We become these things because of emotional injuries suffered as children. This is why I use the word Healing, healing from those injuries.

    Everything about us is physical. Everything we feel involved chemicals. So when we get injured, when we are scared repeatedly as children, when we are abused, chemicals are involved.

    There is no healing in taking drugs. There simply isn’t and couldn’t be. When I got off drugs I too was worse, but that was not because the drugs helped me, but because I got addicted to them. I felt worse when stopping drugs than I did before taking drugs. It is the addiction, the dependence on these drugs.

    Almost bed time for me. Post again, please. Didn’t talk about the problem you brought up on this thread yet, the second job etc. Maybe tomorrow?

    anita

    #109717
    Maria_L
    Participant

    Hi Icy,

    Just read your conversation and I am sorry to hear about all of your problems, the one you presented and the ones in the past that lead you to medication. As someone who had a brief history with anxiety and medications, I would also suggest to look out for long term solutions without them, cause as anita said, withdrawals are much worse than the anxiety itself. Take them as short as you can till you gain your perspective on how to deal with your issue. There are so many resources online that can help, so many success stories, books, online courses. A good psychotherapist that is experienced with this issue also can be crucial.
    Since the whole ‘anxiety’ thing is still fresh for me, I can tell you what helped me…. what really helped me, and what made things worse…
    -Most beneficial of all is exercise, exercise and more exercise…. After a very long walk, long shower and mint tea, I feel much better than even after taking medication. This was my hidden weapon to fight withdrawal.
    -Cognitive behavioral therapy, and any research that tells you how the ‘happy’ chemicals in your brain work. Yes, happiness is chemicals.. stress also.
    -Yoga, meditation and learning how to ‘ground’ yourself. Breathing exercises. You have to teach your body how to relax, how to balance. It can take time, but if you are persistent results will come for less than two months. Sometimes the cause of our problems is stuck in our ‘reptilian’ brain, that freaks out and finds danger in places we can’t understand, and we have to teach it again to relax, to accept new ways. I am not an expert, but as you said you have a terrible fight or flight response… This might mean you have to balance this part of your brain, the most primitive one.

    By any means, I don’t think it’s good to take any online test you find, to present your problem to random people who don’t understand it well and might even say something hurtful as advice, to read forums and testimonials of people who had your problem and wrote discouraging things while they were very distressed. While you are in your sensitive state, you are not ready to deal with just anything you come up with. This is why I asked for a therapist, and he totally agreed with me. i told him I want to deal with this at the right place with the right person.I found very disturbing to bomb my mind with random internet facts, I just got tired and more frightened. And also, even though you attend therapy, you have to do the ‘heavy lifting’ yourself.. There are many ways to deal with this and you can find yours. So the ‘therapy’ doesn’t end in the doctor’s office… And no one, even here, can work things out for you, but you can always get very good guidelines and starting points..

    And when it comes to your husband, as i understood he works two jobs, but he prefers the second one? Maybe he should just stick to that one… just a suggestion. I know the money will be tight again, but i can also relate to this. I’ve been with my partner for 8 years, 3 of them we both had terrible jobs that took the best of us, but were well paid. Money didn’t make us happier. We’d go on vacation on a beautiful beach in Greece, but we barely talked, he was stressed and panicked, I was desperate and bit depressive. It took a toll on our relationship and health. We knew it would be just a matter of time till we ‘break’ and maybe loose each other. So we decided I should leave my job, and he got another one, less paid. We only had 50 % of what we used to earn, but it was the best decision we made. No more exotic vacations, expensive restaurants, weekends in spas, shopping the next few years. But sometimes in life you can’t have both and you have to choose over your career or relationship, and only hope you’ve made the right choice. As long as you support each other and you are on the same page about those decisions,and it isn’t brought in later conversations as a sacrifice someone made.

    Sorry about the long post and maybe giving too much of my story, but I feel deep in my heart that you can work this out, as many other have in your place. I sincerely wish you all the best!

    #109731
    Icy
    Participant

    Maria, thank you for your encouraging story. I too wonder if my meds aren’t holding me back. As I’ve said, anytime I’ve really tried to get off them, even weaning away properly, the fall out can get pretty bad, so, of course, my husband thinks that getting of them is a bad idea. He likens it to a bipolar person feeling great and thinking they do not need medicine anymore, yet, they feel so great BECAUSE of the medicine. I understand that and sometime wonder if that is what the drug companies want since you get scared to go off it so then you always stay dependent. I try not to think of conspiracy theories though, lol.

    I mean, I don’t really depressed like I used to. I do feel very out of wack at times with my emotions as I’ve said…as in..one hour I can be all lovey and the next it can go to yuck, I dont like you much. It’s such an odd feeling and it’s draining.

    I agree with the exercise. I have such a hard time waking up early as it is but I know that it is the only time I can get in some exercise, so I need to really push myself there. I think starting a good, solid habit of exercise would be better to do first and then try possibly weaning off of medication. Starting a new healthy habit plus weaning off meds would not be a good combo. I am starting to eat better and taking vitamins and do notice myself eating less, so that is a plus!

    As far as the job goes, my husband would love to be able to make his second job his only job, however, it is just not enough money to live on alone. He is hoping that it could turn into that and that is one of the reasons why he is really giving it his all, even thought it is really hurting our time together.

    #109748
    Maria_L
    Participant

    Icy,

    I sincerely send you all the good vibes, and I hope your husband can make the transfer to his second job and you’ll have more time together. Many relationships go through hardship till they gain financial freedom. I hope in the long run this will make you stronger… As long as this dynamic lifestyle doesn’t affect his health (that’s the one red flag not to be ignored).

    And I felt the same way you do when it comes to cutting the medications. While I was taking them for some time… after a month, I also thought I am fine now… It’s just a small dose , I can do without it. So I made the first big cut, I wanted to reduce round 40% at once… and ta-dam.. I literally went crazy. Couldn’t sleep for days, and even my own thoughts scared me. And I am not even close to bipolar, prior to this year I have never even had anxiety in a form of disorder (I am in my early 30’s). It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s just the pills take over some functions of your brain, when it comes to producing the ‘happy’ chemicals. When you cut the pills, the production of the ‘happy’ hormones is cut too, and you need some time till you stabilize again.

    I wouldn’t wanna bother you further, I just wanted to say that me, as many people out there, fell in the vicious cycle of medication, and felt the way you do. You are not alone, maybe while your husband is busy you can use this time to reflect on yourself,to discover what triggers your bad mood (think when it started first!), and to seek for solutions how to bypass the bad reaction. Of course, none of us here are doctors and we can just offer our open hearts and willingness to help, 🙂 But at least, it can’t hurt to seek for ways how to ‘produce’ more happy hormones (serotonin,endorphin, oxytocin,dopamine) the natural way 🙂 Socializing, workout, learning new things, spending time in nature are some of the many…

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