Thanks Anita. I just want clarity. Her actions towards me and from what I seen and heard from my son is she doesnt play or talk to him when she is around. It baffles me. You are with someone who has a child. You should be forming a relationship with that child. That is my feeling. And definetly for some sort of relationship with the mom. The past is the past. Yes i feel what they both did completely wrong, but this situation isnt really about me. Its about my son. I just want to discuss the importance of both parties being able to be on friendly terms for my son. He deserves both parents involved in his life. And if significant others are involved they are also role models. I guess i will have to wait and see if he agrees to my meeting. I asked him today if we could go for coffee all 3 of us and lay out some issues and hopefully make it comfortable for all involved. I hope he agrees. I just have to collect my thoughts and what i want to say and maybe write them down