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December 22, 2020 at 11:50 am #371473ExplorerParticipant
Hi TinyBuddha,
I am in a dilemma with my new relationship and hope to keep this concise. My last relationship ended horribly. When my ex and I broke up, he immediately started a relationship with his long-distance friend, an emotional affair I had suspected. They are still happy 2 years later. Seeing their relationship flourish on social media and having their friends & family – who loved me and were sad about our parting – embrace the new relationship had me reeling. I haven’t been stagnant since the breakup; I’ve invested in myself: bought a house, got fit, ran a marathon, fostered my friendships, traveled extensively, but the thought of them still being happy occupies my mind more often than I’d like to admit. Now I’ve met a new man. We originally met a few months after my breakup, but I put a stop to it after a few dates. A year later, he made a second push and we’ve now been dating for 4 months. He is head over heels for me, is thoughtful & generous, makes an effort to get to know me and we have similar values. His family really likes me, yet I can barely admit to my family that I am seeing someone new. I am often annoyed with him and catch myself being unhappy with myself. I’ve never questioned a relationship this much in the beginning and since I do, can this even be real? Do I have unresolved issues from my last relationship? How can I gain clarity about my feelings? I don’t know how I am supposed to feel.
Thank you for your thoughts,
Explorer
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December 22, 2020 at 1:19 pm #371498AnonymousGuestDear Explorer:
Your last relationship “ended horribly”, you wrote, and in your new relationship you are “often annoyed.. unhappy”, questioning the relationship.
“Do I have unresolved issues from my last relationship?”- yes, it reads like it to me.
“How can I gain clarity about my feelings? I don’t know how I am supposed to feel”- you are not supposed to feel any particular way. It will help if you become more aware of your feelings as they are. You can explore your feelings in quality psychotherapy, if such is available to you.
Horrible (in “ended horribly”) is a heavy word that requires exploring. If you want to elaborate on it, please do, and I will reply to you further.
anita
December 23, 2020 at 4:37 am #371530ExplorerParticipantDear anita,
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me. I admire how you commit so much of your time to being there for others. Let me dive a little bit deeper into my original post.
The “horrible” part of the breakup for me was the wrath of emotions that came with it. There was obviously sadness, but also a lot of betrayal, anger, embarrassment and confusion.
As I had mentioned, he moved on right away. Towards the end of the relationship I had asked questions about the friendship with his female friend. He lied and denied the feelings and told me to trust him. All while he was already weighing his options and deciding who would “make him happier”. I also know that a lot of this comes from a hurt ego. Being rejected & having someone chosen “over” you and seeing them happy 2 years on is a blow to your ego.
I also mentioned his family embracing the new girlfriend, just like they did with me. When we broke up, each family member reached out to me individually to express their sadness about our breakup and wishing me the best. We very much had become a part of each other’s lives. I know it is irrational to feel a slight sting of betrayal and being afraid to be forgotten, because of course they include her as his significant other. Them connecting with her now hurts me the most – I don’t think I miss my ex anymore, but I miss his family.
Now towards my situation today. I believe that I have an dismissive avoidant attachment style. I feel uneasy with sharing my feelings openly and I can also be critical towards my partner. That makes me wonder if after putting myself out there and being rejected in my last relationship, I am scared of fully open up to my new partner. He wears his heart on his sleeve and it makes me feel very pressured and stressed. I almost feel embarrassment when someone asks us about our relationship. I don’t want to say out loud that I like him, also due to the reason that I am not sure how much I actually do like him.
At the same time – bc of all his positive qualities I mentioned in the first post – I am afraid to miss out on a great guy, just because maybe my subconscious is trying really hard to protect myself from not being hurt again and won’t let me develop real feelings.
I need to start gaining clarity as my current partner does not deserve to be left in the dark about my internal conflict. I feel like I am running in a circle and would so much like to simply look forward.
All the best,Explorer
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December 23, 2020 at 4:39 am #371531ExplorerParticipantDear anita,
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me. I admire how you commit so much of your time to being there for others. Let me dive a little bit deeper into my original post.
The “horrible” part of the breakup for me was the wrath of emotions that came with it. There was obviously sadness, but also a lot of betrayal, anger, embarrassment and confusion.
As I had mentioned, he moved on right away. Towards the end of the relationship I had asked questions about the friendship with his female friend. He lied and denied the feelings and told me to trust him. All while he was already weighing his options and deciding who would “make him happier”. I also know that a lot of this comes from a hurt ego. Being rejected & having someone chosen “over” you and seeing them happy 2 years on is a blow to your ego.
I also mentioned his family embracing the new girlfriend, just like they did with me. When we broke up, each family member reached out to me individually to express their sadness about our breakup and wishing me the best. We very much had become a part of each other’s lives. I know it is irrational to feel a slight sting of betrayal and being afraid to be forgotten, because of course they include her as his significant other. Them connecting with her now hurts me the most – I don’t think I miss my ex anymore, but I miss his family.
Now towards my situation today. I believe that I have an dismissive avoidant attachment style. I feel uneasy with sharing my feelings openly and I can also be critical towards my partner. That makes me wonder if after putting myself out there and being rejected in my last relationship, I am scared of fully open up to my new partner. He wears his heart on his sleeve and it makes me feel very pressured and stressed. I almost feel embarrassment when someone asks us about our relationship. I don’t want to say out loud that I like him, also due to the reason that I am not sure how much I actually do like him.
At the same time – bc of all his positive qualities I mentioned in the first post – I am afraid to miss out on a great guy, just because maybe my subconscious is trying really hard to protect myself from not being hurt again and won’t let me develop real feelings.
I want to start gaining clarity as my current partner does not deserve to be left in the dark about my internal conflict. I feel like I am running in a circle and would so much like to simply look forward.
All the best,
Explorer
December 23, 2020 at 7:12 am #371539AnonymousGuestDear Explorer:
You are very welcome. First, what I believe it is all about, using your words in the order shared: “Seeing.. (his) family- who loved me and were sad about our parting- embrace the new relationship… Being rejected & having someone chosen ‘over’ you.. his family embracing the new girlfriend, just like they did me. When we broke up, each family member reached out to me individually to express their sadness about our breakup.. We very much had become a part of each other’s lives… afraid to be forgotten… Them connecting with her now hurts me the most- I don’t think I miss my ex anymore, but I miss his family”.
Second, more about the story you shared: your ex had a “long distance friend”, a woman friend, while in the relationship with you. Toward the end of the relationship you suspected that friendship to be “an emotional affair”, and you asked him questions about that friendship. “He lied and denied the feelings and told (you) to trust him”.
When your relationship broke up, he “immediately started a relationship” with her, “moved on right away”. Two years later, they “are still happy”: you have seen “their relationship flourish on social media”, seen their friends and family (who fully embraced you earlier) “embrace the new relationship”.
Seeing another woman take your place in his and his family’s lives, seeing his family “connecting with her”.. seeing that you are “forgotten”, “rejected” and replaced have brought a “wrath of emotions” in you, including hurt and anger over being “chosen ‘over'”, “a lot of betrayal, anger, embarrassment and confusion”.
Since the breakup, you “bought a house, got fit, ran a marathon, fostered (your) friendships, traveled extensively”, and you’ve been dating “a new man” for about four months. The new man in your life is thoughtful, generous, has similar values to yours, wears his heart on his sleeve, and is “head over heels” for you, but the thought of having been replaced by your ex’s family occupies your mind. You are often annoyed with your new boyfriend, feeling “very pressured and stressed”, questioning your new relationship, scared of fully opening up to him, uneasy sharing your feelings openly and critical toward him.
Third part of this post- you wrote, “I need to start gaining clarity as my current partner does not deserve to be left in the dark about my internal conflict. I feel like I am running in a circle and would so much like to simply look forward”- let’s turn on the light on your internal conflict, so that you can stop running in a circle:
What I see, shining my source of light on your situation (please correct me if I am wrong) is that you experienced your ex’s family as your own family for some time, feeling accepted and embraced by them. This was different from what you experienced with your own family of origin. Your family of origin, at one point on, chose someone else over you. They rejected you somehow, forgot about you and attended to someone else, or something else. You loved them so much and they turned away from you, betraying your love for them.
When his family turned away from you and toward someone else, the new woman- your emotional injury of childhood started bleeding, and it has been bleeding for two years. This ongoing bleeding feels horrible; bleeding, you stressed and pressured, angry, hurt and confused. To gain clarity about your current relationship, you have to stop this bleeding first, clean the wound, and start the process of healing.
Since the breakup you got fit, ran a marathon, bought a house, etc. Emotional healing will be more difficult to accomplish, it will take ongoing courageous exploration, lots of patience and time- but in a matter of a few months, you can make a lot of progress.
anita
December 24, 2020 at 4:54 am #371616ExplorerParticipantDear anita,
Thank you for your insight.
You are spot on with my ex’s family. Regarding my own family, I always thought I grew up in a loving home with harmony. We never vocalised love, but the way my family took care of me I always knew they loved me. It also came as a surprise to me that when I learned about my attachment style that the source was a level of neglect in my childhood. If anything, I grew up pampered and don’t remember having someone chosen over me.
I will continue to explore this as there is obviously a wound that I seem to have pushed far away. I appreciate any additional insight you may have and will continue following your blog & forum – it is such a great virtual space.
Merry Christmas,
Explorer
December 24, 2020 at 9:38 am #371638AnonymousGuestDear Explorer:
You are welcome. This is not my “blog & forum”- I am a member here, just like you, although I have been very active here on a daily basis for over 5.5 years. This is where I explore (I like your user name), learn and heal.
In my recent post to you I suggested to you that you experienced your ex’s family as your own family, feeling accepted and embraced by them, an experience that was different from what you experienced with your family of origin- where someone else was chosen over you, someone else or something else was attended to while you were somehow rejected or forgotten.
In your recent post, you wrote that I was spot on regarding your experience with your ex’s family, but not so regarding your experience with your own family: “I always thought I grew up in a loving home with harmony. We never vocalised love, but the way my family took care of me I always knew they loved me… I grew up pampered and don’t remember having someone chosen over me”.
* My comment regarding “We never vocalised love”, above: maybe your parents did not vocalise love, but you did. A child instinctively/ naturally expresses and voalises love. It is when her expressions and vocalisations of love are repeatedly not reciprocated, or rejected, that the child gives up and stops expressing/ vocalising love.
You also wrote: “I believe that I have a dismissive avoidant attachment style… It also came as a surprise to me that when I learned about my attachment style that the source was a level of neglect in my childhood”.
flow psychology. com: “Adults with dismissive-avoidant attachment can say that they have loving parents and have a happy childhood. However, these people find it hard to recall the details of the happy memories of their childhood or the good traits of their parents”- let’s keep this in mind as a possibility to explore further.
Another website, marriage. com/ advice/ mental health/ avoidant-attachment: “Our earliest relationships have a profound effect on all future ones. As infants and young children, we learn to view important people in our life either as a source of comfort and acceptance or distress and dismissal. According to a study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, this early connection leads to developing one of the four main attachment styles: secure, anxious, avoidant, and disorganized… An avoidant attachment style is often a result of emotionally unresponsive or unavailable primary caregivers. The child quickly learns to rely only on oneself and to be self-sufficient because going to their caregivers for soothing doesn’t result in their emotional needs being met. This early relationship becomes a blueprint for all other, especially romantic ones…
“People with avoidant attachment styles are emotionally avoidant, self-reliant, and highly value their independence and freedom. Furthermore, a typical aspect of the avoidant attachment pattern is uncomfortableness and dodging of closeness and intimacy since, in the past, it only brought them more discomfort.”
Back to the first website I mentioned: “There are two avoidant attachment styles. These are fearful-avoidant and dismissive-avoidant. It is said that people with either of these styles regard intimacy as dangerous and that other people are unreliable… The person with a dismissive-avoidant attachment style has a mentality that he or she is not in need of other people and can survive being alone or does not need to depend on another… These are people who tend to be cold in their relationships… they try to avoid being too emotionally attached or intimate. They have a feeling of discomfort when it comes to physical contact, intimacy… Dismissive-avoidant people find faults (with) their partners… They find it hard to say the words ‘I love you’… The different styles of attachment are often developed in childhood and extend (to) adulthood”.
You shared regarding your new relationship: “I’ve never questioned a relationship this much in the beginning”- suggesting (?) that you did question relationships before, just not this much and not so early on – which fits with the avoidant attachment style description.
“I can barely admit to my family that I am seeing someone new”- I wonder about the nature of your difficulty telling your parents that you are seeing someone new, and why you used the verb to admit (“I can barely admit to my family”).
“The ‘horrible’ part of the breakup for me was the wrath.. a lot of betrayal, anger”- I am guessing that these are emotions repressed in childhood, coming up to the surface during the last two years, with a vengeance.
“I am afraid to miss out on a great guy, just because maybe my subconscious is trying really hard to protect myself from not being hurt again”- your repressed emotions reside in your subconscious, as well as memories of rejection, I figure.
“I feel like I am running in a circle and would so much like to simply look forward”- to stop running in a circle and look forward- you need to look backward, and see what happened when you were a child.
Let’s look closer at what you shared in your recent post: “I always thought I grew up in a loving home with harmony”- I don’t want to split hairs, and this may not be of any significance, but you chose the verb “thought”, “I always thought”, not I always felt. When a child is scared, the child automatically chooses to think what feels better to think. If a child is unloved, the child will look for any evidence of love, no matter how small, and think: I am loved!
“It also came as a surprise to me when I learnt about my attachment style that the source was a level of neglect in my childhood. If anything, I grew up pampered and don’t remember having someone chosen over me”-
– if you want to, you are welcome to share what you do remember: how were you pampered, how you were chosen (attended to, valued)?
Can you elaborate on “We never vocalised love”- can you give examples of what was not vocalised?
anita
December 24, 2020 at 9:11 pm #371642LaBravaParticipantHey Explorer, but something you may want to consider is setting tiny, actionable goals for yourself. Changing an attachment style is a monumental task since our systems of attachment are literally wired into the chemicals of our brain. If you’re really afraid of missing out on this great guy, I’d say start practicing self-love towards yourself, the love your parents never gave you, and make it a point to express your emotions to him.
This is gonna feel uncomfortable. But a great exercise I found was writing down events that happened in your life, writing your emotional responses (did I feel angry? happy? sad? why?) and maybe you can talk about these events when your partner wants to start a conversation on you. it’s gonna feel unnatural. That’s the point. And if you have a habit of self-reliance, make it a point to ask for help, for one thing, every few days. With an avoidant attachment style comes a whole host of bad habits like not accepting kindness from people who love you and are willing to help you, being uncomfortable with emotional conversations, and this is gonna take quite some time to heal. Dip your toes into emotional intimacy and be mindful every time you get triggered or feel uncomfortable by your parent’s affection. Start a journal, and write down SPECIFIC instances where you could feel your avoidance urges kicking in. It’s gonna take practice to start accepting love into your life when you’ve lived a childhood always running somewhat low on the love tank.
As for self-love, again, tiny, actionable steps. When you’re starting to dig up your childhood, you’ll start seeing how your parents didn’t meet your needs. And it’s very possible your parents unintentionally neglected you! People have different love languages.
https://www.5lovelanguages.com/
Acts of Service, Receiving Gifts, Quality Conversation, Words of Affirmation, and Physical Touch. So while your parents provided for your physical needs, they could’ve neglected your emotional ones.
For example, let’s say a child has the love language of Words of Affirmation. Their parents are amazing. They drive them everywhere, they fight for their child to have the best opportunities possible, and the household is kept clean and you always get gifts on birthdays and Christmas but here’s the catch. They never say anything nice. Compliments are like crumbs reserved for big occasions, and the rest of the time, the child is running on low. They have everything, but their primary love language is being neglected. This could very well be you. Identifying your love language is a big step in identifying your unmet needs.
So to conclude:
1) Start a journal and every day, make a pledge to love yourself and to love your partner, as best as you’re able. Maybe you’ll set the goal (I’ll give my partner a compliment. You already listed his positive qualities. Now say it to his face.) Or you’ll buy his favorite food and give it to him. You need to practice emotional intimacy. Find your partner’s love language, and practice it. 1 action every day and slowly bump it up as you feel more comfortable expressing love.
2) Dig up your childhood. “We never vocalized love” This is a key sign of your love language. Your parents can give you everything in the world, but if they’re not speaking your love language, it’s all for naught. Your love language could be Words of Affirmation, meaning you need verbal affirmations of love.
3) When you feel triggered or uncomfortable or feel the urge to withdraw, take a deep breath and practice mindfulness. There are so many great posts talking about mindfulness on this site so scroll through some of them. The key point, emotions are temporary and we need to know how to step back and observe the waves. You’re a human being who deserves love, and while it may take time to get used to BEING loved, you’ll get there.
4) Above all, talk to your partner. When you withdraw from him, he may blame himself. Don’t let him think that. Talk about your avoidant attachment style with him, and explain you’re trying to get better about it. Again, this will feel supremely uncomfortable. It’s not natural to you. You may feel like an imposter when you’re expressing your feelings and accepting his love and all those clumsy things. That’s okay. Love is an action, a choice, not a feeling. It’s okay if you’re so bad at expressing your feelings you stumble for words, or you need to write it down and read it aloud. Your partner will likely love you the more for making the effort to make things work.
Good luck with your relationships and self-love. I just want to emphasize, you’re not broken. You can still move forward. But you need to be willing to face your childhood and ask yourself how it influenced your beliefs, your sense of self, so you can overcome your negative cycles. You can heal and love your partner at the same time. Buy a journal or a notebook today, and start figuring things out. Progress will be slow, and somewhat painful, but it’s still progress.
December 25, 2020 at 7:08 am #371683ExplorerParticipantDear anita and La Brava,
thank you for your responses. I will address both separately.
anita,
I spent sometime since reading your reply thinking about childhood memories. What I noticed is that in a lot of them, my parents aren’t actively part of my memories. When I think back on playing around the house/backyard and vacations, these are very much happy memories. However, in these memories I know that my parents are around (also in the house or also on vacation), but I can’t see them or have an interaction with them. I was pampered in the sense that I had everything material & I know they wanted me to succeed and would always be there for me. It almost like La Brava might have hit the nail on its head by saying they drove me everywhere, attended practices, gave me all opportunities, which I understood as love. I always just “knew” they loved me without it being said. It was shown by actions, not words.
So in terms of vocalisation, feelings were not talked about much as far as I remember. We never said “I love you” to each other and I have a hard time recalling when I heard my parents say they were proud of me. Feelings were not really discussed in our house. So when I used the term “admit my new relationship”, because to me that would be revealing emotion and committing long-term. And of course, I feel very uneasy about showing/admitting emotion. I also fear failure of the relationship and how I would be looked upon if we broke up. I don’t want to broadcast a relationship unless I “know” this relationship will work out. Obviously you will never know if a relationship will go the long haul, but I don’t want to introduce anyone that I don’t see a clear future with yet myself. I almost have this feeling that if I commit it has to work out, otherwise my parents would look down on me and my feelings. One interesting thing I would like to note, I always just anticipate their disappointment or think they would disapprove. Which is weird, because I don’t remember my parents disapproving many of my actions. They also didn’t yell much growing up. It was a strict household and I didn’t usually break rules. But there is a thing I now just call “the look”…it’s the way I am looked at that I think means they do not approve, but they never say anything. I’ve been told I use “the look” myself these days.
I appreciate your post once again, it’s allowed me to start digging into the right direction. Talking about it now almost makes me feel silly for not seeing all this earlier.
La Brava,
thank you for your thoughts. I have previously taken the love languages test and it always is a tie between acts of service – gifts – words of affirmation. The result almost looks like I don’t really understand my own love languages. However, I also considered that maybe acts of service and gifts is how I was shown love, so I see it as a love language, while words of affirmation could be my true one.
I actually have recently started keeping a journal, and I will use your recommendations when writing in it. Is it surprising that I even feel uncomfortable writing my emotions into my journal? Like I write it, but am afraid to open up 100% as someone could read it someday. No one will as I am living by myself, but I have this worry and always have to push myself a little bit to write down my feelings.
Thank you again.
December 25, 2020 at 10:09 am #371691AnonymousGuestDear Explorer:
You shared that you were pampered in the sense that you “had everything material”; you were driven around, given opportunities, shown love “by actions, not words”. Your parents never said “I love you” or that they are proud of you, and “feelings were not discussed”.
Your parents did not discuss/ talk about/ vocalise feelings but they expressed their feelings nonetheless with their look of disapproval (“‘the look’.. the way I am looked at that I think means they do not approve”).
Their look of disapproval was very effective: it accomplishing the aim of causing you to doubt your choices, and feel fear, shame and/ or guilt. Being as effective as it was- there was no need to add yelling (“They also didn’t yell much”), or words (“but they never say anything”).
“I always just anticipate their disappointment or think they would disapprove. Which is weird, because I don’t remember my parents disapproving many of my actions”-
– they probably gave you that disapproving look many times when you were a child, and that is why your parents, together with their disapproving look, are absent from a lot of your childhood memories (“about childhood memories.. in a lot of them, my parents aren’t.. around.. I can’t see them”)-
– you can’t see them= you can’t see The Look. We tend to not remember what is painful to remember.
You expressed that you are afraid to tell your parents that you are seeing someone new, because if you did, and the relationship did not work out, your parents will think of you as a failure (“I fear failure.. my parents would look down on me and my feelings”)- you want to avoid their next disapproval. You are still afraid of The Look.
A young child, by the way, does not misinterpret a look- without prior experience there is nothing to taint or distort a child’s perception of her parents’ visible emotions.
For a young child, the parents are like a mirror: the child sees herself by looking/ hearing/feeling (ex. hugs) her parents. When you saw their disapproving look, you saw an image of yourself as a person worthy of disapproval.
You wrote that they did not vocalise love to you when you were a child- did they hug you? If they hugged you, did they not say a word while hugging you?
anita
December 25, 2020 at 1:28 pm #371697ExplorerParticipantDear anita,
This hits home on a lot of points. The thought of getting a disapproving look thrown at me makes me want to curl up immediately. It may also explain why the approval of my past and current partners’ family means so much to me. Hearing their positive opinion about me feels like a warm rain pouring over me – although I also often feel that they think too highly of me. Having this approval taken away after my latest breakup is still painful.
I was hugged and embraced by my family, more so by my mom. I remember my dad tucking me into bed when he was home from work when I was 6, I do not have too many (if any) embracing moments later in life. My mom and I would cuddle on the couch when I was younger. I have one blurry memory of her saying “love you” on the couch…it was unusual for her to say and I feel weird thinking back on it and I don’t think I said it back. I don’t really remember hugs besides coming home after a while away (like summer camp). I am the youngest child at home and my siblings would sometimes make fun of me being spoiled and coddled by my mom. Not sure if that is relevant in any way, but maybe this amplified me not wanting to seem needy at any point.
Explorer
December 25, 2020 at 1:59 pm #371698AnonymousGuestDear Explorer:
“The thought of getting a disapproving look thrown at me makes me want to curl up immediately”- this is a body-memory of how it felt when you got a disapproving look as a child.
“Hearing their positive opinion about me feels like a warm rain pouring over me”- this is a body-memory of how it felt receiving an approving look/ gesture by your parents.
As you can see/ feel- children are very sensitive to their parents approval/ disapproval. Children are highly motivated to receive the first and avoid the second. Parents are too quick to express too much disapproval for their children’s undesirable behaviors, not understanding that it takes very little, very limited and gentle disapproval to motivate a child to change undesirable behavior.
anita
December 25, 2020 at 2:44 pm #371701ExplorerParticipantDear anita,
I can’t thank you enough for your patience and interpretations. This has been so helpful in gaining understanding. While identifying those childhood wounds is only half the battle, it helps to know where to further explore and how to start the healing process.
I shall start exploring, even when it seems daunting and painful.
Explorer
December 25, 2020 at 3:33 pm #371702AnonymousGuestDear Explorer:
You are living up to your chosen name, Explorer!
You are very welcome. Anytime you want more of my patience and interpretations- post and I will be glad to read from you and reply.
anita
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