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December 20, 2024 at 11:24 am #440902Jana 🪷Participant
Hello Peter,
thank you for your insight. It is interesting…
I am thinking about anger and I don’t remember the last time I was angry. Maybe that’s why it is harder to understand it for me. I cannot relate to the thought that anger could be fed by compassion or love or that anger could lead to a positive outcome of the scenario.
Food for thought, I guess. 🙂
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December 20, 2024 at 8:52 am #440897Jana 🪷ParticipantHello Anita,
who knows… 🙂
I think that this is something we cannot be always prepared for. We cannot know how the person will act. People are unpredictable.
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December 20, 2024 at 8:43 am #440896Jana 🪷ParticipantHello Helcat,
I was thinking about the differences in communication we discussed earlier. There is a special dialect around Ostrava, an industrial town with many mines, foundries… Now it is actually becoming more “green” and unfortunately many industrial businesses there are dying because of European Union’s restrictions. It is quite hard to live there. And people – especially men – from there use a lot of dirty words. I mean really very dirty words. My boyfriend comes from the area and I remember that I was confused by him because of his dialect. I didn’t know what to think about him, if I could trust him… But the truth is that he is very sensitive, attentive and hearty person, which is in sharp contrast with his way of speaking. But he has been living in my area (Bohemia, Ostrava is on the borders of Moravia and Silesia) for about 10 years so his language is now more influenced by locals and it is a bit nicer.😅 And all of his friends are great people, full of love, joy and support. (I don’t know this from Bohemia – people here are more reserved and cold) But when you sit with them at one table and hear the language for hours… Jeez, that’s really “fascinating cultural communication experience”. 😂 It is true that I think that English is quite stingy with dirty words compared to Czech language. That alone probably says a lot about the differences in our cultures. I think the older British generation would die of shame hearing people from Ostrava. But I understand that. It is a bit too much even for me, honestly. 😄
I noticed that you mentioned that you’ve always had a lot of pets. Me, too. I loved rats as a kid. They are so clever. But they live very short. And you are right: “When people cannot be relied upon, the love of an animal is always there.” My mutt was with me during my hardest years (from 14 to 26) and made my suffering so much easier. I’ll never forget her. I still have her on my phone screen.
So, I am happy to read that you have another pet friend who can make your days more joyful. 😊 How is your dog accepting her? It would be a problem for our dog. She is very jealous and protective.
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December 20, 2024 at 7:26 am #440890Jana 🪷Participant📔 journal (Dec 20 2024, 16:00)
I was very busy – teaching, Christmas preparations, visits, shopping, … I am exhausted. I didn’t have time to meditate and need to get back to my mindfulness again.
Our pets don’t like visitors. Our dog is very jealous. She needs to check the visitors all the time and when we let her in her kennel (because not all people like big dogs), she is sad. She always chews on visitors’ shoes and other things she finds. Our cat doesn’t like strangers and she always runs away and returns only when she knows there is noone unknown in our house.
This morning I had a typical introvert hangover again. But I managed to get out of it quite soon. I know now when I get in this mood, it is the accumulated stress by too much socializing. I took our dog for a very long walk to get rid off my headache. It worked.
Honestly, I don’t enjoy Christmas time anymore. People are being crazy. Many people are in a depressive mood… where is all the peace, good mood and love? Why are people so serious about Christmas? It’s just a holiday… but people are horribly stressed out.
I am happy that we will visit my parents on Sunday and then we have a few days just with each other without anyone around. ❤️ My ideal world. 😊
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December 20, 2024 at 6:06 am #440886Jana 🪷ParticipantHello beni,
do you mean the bad part of me or of other people? 🙂
Do you find the video sessions helpful?
“Part of it is trauma creating this reality and the other is choice. Part of it is not being able to ask for it. Maybe I’m abandoning also opportunities in my life out of self manipulation, being ignorant not recognising opportunities.”
Can you be more specific about this, if you want to?
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December 20, 2024 at 5:58 am #440884Jana 🪷ParticipantHello Anita,
thank you for your explanation. I do agree. This is the middle way. 🙂
I am not sure what you meant when you wrote about the impermanence in this context of fear of violence: “one of Buddhism’s core teachings is the impermanence of all things. This includes understanding that situations .and people can change. Adapting to changing circumstances and behaviors (including by protecting oneself) while maintaining core principles is part of being a Buddhist.”
Hello Peter,
“Is it possible to remain compassionate while holding someone accountable and or protecting oneself?” I believe it is. I don’t find compassion and accountability contradicting. Don’t we help the person when we generate good Karma for example by persuading him not to attack us with compassionate attitude?
I find a “pure buddhist” as a very good person with highly moral standards and very pacifistic attitude, which is unfortunately in our world easily taken advantage of. But I might be wrong… I’m still on my way of understanding. 🙂
I am not sure if I understand this: “… using the adrenaline boost from fear, anger and hate, which I then take on as ‘being’ – I am angry, I am hate… and compassion nowhere to be found. When ‘I am anger and or hate’ getting even is the most likely driving force behind my actions.” Can you elaborate on it and maybe write some specific situations?
Hello Helcat,
thank you for your support and understanding. You are right that it has much to do with my confidence. But I would repeat myself again. I sometimes find it difficult to tell the difference between people. Some people are good actors. But I rely more on my intuition now. I try not to overthink. As for violent types of people, such as the hooligans, I would try to stay out of their way, of course. But If I was confronted and threatened to be beaten as in the past with the neonazis again, I would try to talk my way out of it… with my open heart, understandnig and compassion. I know that such violent behaviour is rooted in his suffering. And if there was just a shred of sense and love in him, he would possibly retreat…
This brought up another memory. I was playing outside with my friend nearby the woods and we were found by a group of boys who wanted to celebrate Walpurgis Night (we call it here “Burning of the witches”)… simply, people gather around a bonfire, sing, drink, eat and burn a witch made of hay and twigs… And their “leader” ordered us to get them wood for their campfire. It wasn’t a problem for me and I brought the wood. He continued to be bossy and ordered me to prepare the fire and do this and that… I did it without any words or much resistance. In my head I evaluated (out of fear) that it was better to obey and I actually didn’t mind the work… I noticed that the more I obeyed him, the nicer he was to me. In the end I was even invited to stay at the campfire (which I didn’t because I was too shy to stay there with four older boys). But my friend was older than me and she was much more stubborn… and the more she resisted him, the angrier he got… I tried to tell her “Come on, do it and we can go”, but she wouldn’t listen to me… I told him that I would do the work that I didn’t mind doing it, but he was already so irritated by her resistance than he didn’t listen to me, either. And it ended up in some nasty hits…
But now… I don’t know why I started writing this. 😅 I got lost in my thoughts. Maybe later.
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December 19, 2024 at 6:54 am #440855Jana 🪷ParticipantHello,
thank you for your replies and opinions.
The way I deal with this question – cope with my fear of being possibly attacked – is as following. I believe that partly I am able to protect myself by my way of living – following the Eightfold Noble Path. I can protect myself simply by leading a moral life. Then there is no sound reason (for most people) to attack me.
I think that in practical life, regardless of whether one is a Buddhist or not, these points are the most important:
– Right Thinking
– Right Speech
– Right ActionIf I refrain from negative thinking about others, from false, divisive or harsh speech and from harmful actions in general (stealing, hurting, sexual misconduct, …), I will minimalize chances to be verbally or even physically attacked. Simply by the fact that there is no reason to do so. Does it make sense? (I am exhausted after a lot of socialization so I am not in my best form explaining my thoughts)
But some of you might remember what I was dealing with (physical bullying, emotional and social rejection). And although I am save and very happy these days (I am very grateful for that), it still makes me wonder how I can protect myself from evil people. I feel compassion, I wish them good from all my heart and I hope that one day / one lifetime they will be able to reach the Buddha in themselves. I really do. I do not have grudge against society or people in general, let alone someone specific. I never did even when I was bullied. I always wanted to understand them. But I know that my compassion, good heart, goodness won’t protect me against a real attack… I know it all too well. (You too, don’t you?) Some people are so lost, they would not be ashamed to kill a monk. And this is a real life… such people are among us.
Can we really be pure Buddhists to survive in real, practical life where you must socialize with all kinds of people including very bad ones? Don’t you think that there is a reason why Gautamma ordered monks to stay away from ordinary people (even their own families) in the woods and temples? It is written in the first chapters of dhammapadda.
I’ll come tomorrow back to your earlier answers. 🙂
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December 18, 2024 at 7:10 am #440824Jana 🪷ParticipantHello all! 🙂 I’ve been much busier now than I expected so I don’t have enough time to reply in more details. I will do so later tomorrow or during Friday when I have a free day. The quote is from https:// http://www.dhammatalks .org/suttas /MN/MN21.html I found it when I tried to search “Zen Buddhism what to do when I am attacked”. Thank you for all your replies! I’m inerested in your thoughts and experiences.
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December 18, 2024 at 3:27 am #440823Jana 🪷ParticipantHello beni,
I am sorry for being late with my replies. I have been a bit busy now before Christmas.
I am still working on self-acceptance. I am getting better and I think that I have already reached a better understanding of myself and others. It is important for me. I got inspiration from Buddhism a lot, so called Zen school of Buddhism especially.
I try to accept myself by remembering that I am a worthy member of humanity in this world. I am a good person, I want to do good and I want me and others be peaceful and happy. I am a very little drop in the ocean but I am fighting for a better world… my good deeds (however small), good thoughts, little smile… all this can help change the world to be a better place. I don’t give up. I keep being a good person. It’s worth it. And then I accept and even like myself…
I am still wroking on my fear of people – it will be a long way to go but one day I will accept even this fear and it will naturally go away from my mind.
I was wondering if you have somebody close who could help you in your life? I find your moments of anxiety very difficult. Is it possible for you to get a help from somebody who knows more how to work with such feelings in your real life?
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December 17, 2024 at 10:42 am #440806Jana 🪷ParticipantWhat do you know and think about this quote made by the Buddha:
“Bhikshus, even if bandits were to carve you up savagely, limb by limb, with a two-handled saw, he who gave rise to a mind of hate towards them would not be carrying out my teaching. Even then you should train yourselves thus: “Our minds will remain unaffected and we shall utter no evil words. We shall abide with a compassionate concern for their welfare, with a mind of loving-kindness, and with no inner hate. We shall abide pervading these people with a mind imbued with loving-kindness and, beginning with them, we shall abide pervading the entire world with a mind imbued with loving-kindness—vast, expansive, measureless, and free from hate or harm.” This is how you should train yourselves, Bhikshus.”
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December 16, 2024 at 11:38 pm #440784Jana 🪷ParticipantHello Helcat,
It is true that it is important to finish the book to get the whole picture. 🙂
Communication is a thing. I believe that it is important to consider many things and there is no universal rule because it is neccessary to be flexible in communication. We should consider the personality traits of the person, his background (experiences with this person, his emotional wounds if he has any…), relationship with the person, but also culture.
I noticed one thing – and it is not criticism or complaining, just a fact. You and Anita, too, very often use words “I am sorry that…” and in my culture this is considered very impolite. But I know that you are from the UK and the US and the cultures are quite different. Your cultures put a lot of emphasis on politeness and correctness. (I remember you mentioned this in my first thread here… that your culture is too polite.) While my culture – Slavs in general actually – hate that. The reason is that they find such expressions, especially when repeated, artificial and fake. And they don’t trust the person. So, being too polite and kind in communication for many people in my culture means that the other side is not honest. I do agree that too much politeness can hinder people from having an open discussion because it can lead to hesitation (“Can I tell him this? Wouldn’t he be offended?” etc.) But again, don’t take my words as criticism. It is not meant like that. It is just very interesting for me. You can see that even culture must be considered when you want to be succesful in communication. (btw feel free to use any words, expressions you want… I am not really offended by “I am sorry that…” because I know you are really honest and sensitive to people’s troubles…) 🙂
We need to learn how to work with the emotions in a healthy way. Suppressing emotions doesn’t help at all. It leads to aggressive behaviour, detachment or even illnesses.
“What makes someone an angry or any kind of person etc?” – I personally think that DNA plays a great role in that, too. I know people who were beaten more than me… and they have no issues. They are actually very strong and stable people. I know them very well. On the other hand, I know people who had a very nice unworried childhood and they seem to be unhappy all the time now when they are adults. I think that it is not only childhood, experiences which influence us… the genes, inborn predispositions play a vital role in how we will be able to deal with emotinal pain. I was born very introverted and sensitive and I have a bit harder time than others… but it is okay. I am glad that there are stronger people and I can learn from them. 🙂
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December 16, 2024 at 9:40 pm #440782Jana 🪷ParticipantHello CKS,
Do you know the girl very well? Are you sure she would react positively? Or is she a type of person who would use this email against you in the future?
I understand your need to do something. However, sometimes it is better to take some time, relax and come up with solutions later. Think twice if it is a good idea to reach that girl this way, especially if she is a bully.
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December 16, 2024 at 9:21 pm #440781Jana 🪷ParticipantHello Beni,
I can relate to that very well. I am very introverted and sinsitive which is a cocktail for alienation. I tend to isolate myself, too. I am quite sensitive and I absorb people’s energies, moods. But I have never noticed what you mentioned about the eyes. I personally have the biggest problem with specific people who are loud, overextroverted, drama-creating but also aggressive people. Their energy always overwhelm me… I used to have social phobia. EFT and today Buddhism (meditation, mindfulness, moral codes) helps me a lot.
I have feelings of not fitting in from time to time. But it is quite difficult because at the same time I am satisfied this way. I am a lone wolf. I am used to fight alone and it always worked the best for me.
I am the happiest person just alone. I love nature and animals. From time to time I stil experience uncomfortable feelings when I have to socialize with unknown people or meet complicated personalities. I am working on it and doing much better than a month ago… But I think that deep in my heart I am still looking for reconciliation with these people… that’s probably what my heart needs and I don’t know how to solve it yet. Because it is not that I don’t like people… I need to achieve peace with specific types of people. And I’m trying to do it through my self-acceptance. … I still need a lot of understanding.
“Also suppressing abandonment will wake up self harm.” – Can you explain this, if you want to and you don’t mind writing about it?
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December 16, 2024 at 8:13 am #440747Jana 🪷ParticipantHello Anita,
it appears to me that you are healing more and more, which makes me happy. 😊 Hope you are enjoying peaceful Christmas atmosphere. ☃️ ⭐ (Dec 16, 17:13)
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December 16, 2024 at 8:07 am #440746Jana 🪷ParticipantHello Helcat,
can you elaborate on the negative emotions from the book? I believe it is very important to inform others about our emotions because suppressing negative emotions would make us only frustrated and it could lead to arguments and conflicts.
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