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January 19, 2021 at 11:43 am in reply to: Feeling ashamed and being shamed of never having been in a relationship #373140JanetParticipant
Dear Anita,
“– was she a bit like your father: nice and lenient with everyone else, but rude and strict with his wife and child, sometimes very sweet, at other times the complete opposite?” – Yes, that is completely true. I have often thought about them being similar. You have described my father perfectly. I would say though, that I consider my mother to be very strong. She sacrificed her whole life for her children and defended us from our father. When my father was at his worst regarding his behavior towards her, she could not or actually did not leave him because he threatened to kill her and himself and all of us. That is what I mean by saying she sacrificed her life for us – she stayed with him so that we (their children) could stay safe. I would do the same in her situation because I, too, would be afraid he would actually hurt someone. Things have calmed down over the years, but he is still controlling at home and very sweet to other people. I just never thought a high school girl could also be as mean and narcissistic to such a high level and I never knew how to deal with a person like that.
January 19, 2021 at 8:54 am in reply to: Feeling ashamed and being shamed of never having been in a relationship #373137JanetParticipantDear Anita,
yes, thank you. 🙂 I would like to continue our conversation.
“You stood up for your mother for years, being nothing less than a hero, for her sake.” – I hope so, although I do know that I have caused her so much worry over the years because I still cannot let go of the past and forgive those girls. I am so insecure that it is harming not only my mental but also physical health. Somehow those girls always found the way to make me “the bad one.” And I believed them, I still do. I feel guilty even though I never did anything to hurt them. I did vent to a couple of my other friends about them and that is the thing I worry about the most – like venting is worse than their actions towards me. But since they would not listen to me and stop when I asked them to, I needed to let it out somehow. I never discussed their personal lives or secrets, but I did complain about their behavior instead of confronting them more than once until they understood. It eats me up inside that I came out a worse person than them – if they didn’t have anything to say about me, they would make things up so that they could argue with me and win.
January 17, 2021 at 11:54 pm in reply to: Feeling ashamed and being shamed of never having been in a relationship #373007JanetParticipantDear Pink,
Thank you for sharing some of your story with me! It helps to know that I am not alone and that my feelings are valid. Thank you for your advice, I will definitely follow it. I hope it’s not too late at the age of 24… Also, it’s good to hear from other people that it’s okay not to settle for just anyone just because I think I don’t have any other choice. I’ve always felt bad about saying I don’t like someone romantically because I thought that I’m not perfect/beautiful/smart enough to be picky.
Sending happy vibes back 🙂
January 17, 2021 at 12:57 pm in reply to: Feeling ashamed and being shamed of never having been in a relationship #372971JanetParticipantThank you, Anita.
My mother taught me how to stand up for myself, but my father is a people pleaser and always told me to be quiet and to not start any arguments. I was afraid of him for most of my childhood and teenage years. So, I never stood up for myself. My mum even wanted to call my neighbor’s parents, but I would not allow it. My neighbor’s parents thought she was the golden child, spoiled her rotten and I knew they would defend her. I didn’t want my mum caught up in my problems, so I told her that things worked out. If my neighbor’s parents were to react badly and started a feud, my dad would blame me and my mom and accused us of being too sensitive.
January 17, 2021 at 11:45 am in reply to: Feeling ashamed and being shamed of never having been in a relationship #372952JanetParticipantDear Anita,
yes, that’s probably right. I probably did have self-esteem issues already at the time. And I also think it’s connected to the bullying..
The bullying started right in my first grade. Two of the most popular girls decided to pick me for a target; one of them was my neighbor. I was shy and a goody-goody. They turned everyone against me and I think what scarred me the most was the fact that I did nothing for them to bully me. They called me ugly, gave me a nickname, mocked my hair (which was beautiful, long and thick), mocked my school supplies, my clothes. The bullying went on for years, all throughout primary school and high school. But it’s the type of bullying that changed. My neighbor was the one that manipulated me all those years, followed me when I tried to avoid her, and threw insults at me. She once told me, I think it must have been right in sixth grade that all boys like her and that I will never have what she has to attract boys. I became friends with her at the end of primary school because I was so used to being treated badly all the time that I took any good treatment that I could get, even if it was periodical. Also, being friends with her seemed like the lesser evil because whenever I tried to stand up to her, all hell would break loose. She was very spiteful. After we became friends, she manipulated me until the end of high school. She was so nice to everyone else that no one would think twice about her being manipulative. All she talked about was boys and how many offers she has. Her moodiness made me so nervous to go to school – I never knew in what kind of a mood she would be. It was a gamble every morning… if she was in a bad mood, I would be the one she’d take it on. She was either extremely sweet or the complete opposite. I was naive and told her my insecurities and problems and I was afraid to stand up to her in fear she would use that against me. If I had only stood up to her early on and never became friends with her, I would spare myself so much pain and regret. This regret is eating me up inside and I don’t know how to handle it.
January 17, 2021 at 10:06 am in reply to: Feeling ashamed and being shamed of never having been in a relationship #372950JanetParticipantDear Anita,
wow, thank you! Your response is very insightful and you are right.
“the opposite of wild is tamed“ – this hit me so hard, I cannot tell you how much;
“and you didn’t pay attention to other girls who also did not belong to the popular-with-boys group of girls, including the girls who were mocked by the popular girls.” – Quite the contrary, to be honest…I had a group of friends, we were all deemed physically less attractive, all of us more chubby than skinny and less “fashionable”. This is why I was even more disappointed. The girls in this group were all wonderful, funny, and fun to be around, but none of them had a boyfriend. They expressed similar experiences. They were good enough to laugh with (and at), but not to date.
“I crave hugs and kisses”- you feel that craving, it is not completely tamed. I imagine that this craving does not show at all in your facial expressions and behaviors (?) – This, I honestly don’t know. I am a hugger and my female friends always hug me. There was one incident in high school, where a male schoolmate was celebrating his birthday one day and we all went to congratulate and hug him. He was happy to hug my attractive friends, but seemed shocked and disgusted when I went in for a hug. He barely gave a proper hug back. Since then I am afraid to give another boy a hug. It is also weird because people in high school described me as a very warm and compassionate person.
I have one more strange situation that I cannot understand: in sixth grade, when I was normal weight and not yet affected my no-sex/affection talk at home, a boy told me he likes me. I immediately panicked and was convinced that he was mocking me to get a laugh out of his friends. Even at that age (10,11..), when I was not concerned about my looks and physical affection, I could not understand how someone would like me. That was the first time I experienced this weird feeling and I would experience it every time while talking or spending time with another boy, whether it be in a group conversation with our friends or randomly meeting a schoolmate in the college hall. I was severely bullied in primary school by girls only, so I cannot understand why I’m always more afraid of boys.
January 16, 2021 at 2:32 pm in reply to: Feeling ashamed and being shamed of never having been in a relationship #372935JanetParticipantDear Anita,
I think you are right. I actually never thought about how my facial expressions and body language might be a big part of that. Rarely did I look boys in the eyes because I felt ashamed of how I looked, how much I weighed, how I mever wear makeup. I had such beautiful, perfect schoolmates around me that guys did not even pay attention to me and if at any occasion a guy showed interest in my schoolmates and very obviously pretended like I was not there I just assumed no guy will ever like me.
I do have self-esteem issues and I fat shame myself more than anyone else. And while I don’t look at guys with a do-not-come-near-me kinda look, I definitely might project energy that says I don’t feel worthy of love as a chubby girl.January 16, 2021 at 11:19 am in reply to: Feeling ashamed and being shamed of never having been in a relationship #372928JanetParticipantDear Anita,
1. You wrote: “I feel constant shame”- shame in regard to not having been in a relationship, or is there other shame, shame that originated in your earlier childhood?
Both, I guess. My parents were never affectionate with each other and boyfriends were not allowed in my teenage years. We never talked about romantic feelings and we never, ever talked about sex or romance.
2. You wrote: “I would like to take care of me for a change, instead of me always being the support and the ‘psychologist’ for other people”- when did your role of being the support/ the psychologist for other people start? Have you been a support and psychologist to any of your parents?
I guess it started in school. I was always the responsible child. My dad is a very strict man and we were not allowed to make mistakes. So I never made the, I never had a “wild phase,” I never dated, I got good grades, I also never expressed my anger. Other parents knew that I was responsible and told me to look after their children at parties, etc. Later, in high school and college, people always came to me for advice, but never asked me how I was doing. I was like the on-call therapist.
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