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OliviaParticipant
Dear Anita,
Yes, I understand now, that she was unable to be close to me and understand me the way I wanted. That is something I have to continue working on accepting and letting go.
Actually, I’m not yet studying to be a psychotherapist. I’m a medical student. My experience in psychotherapy has been limited to two month’s worth of placements in psychiatry, and discussions with various clinicians as both teachers and therapists. It is something I have a keen interest in, and I wish to understand myself before I begin training in a few year’s time. Currently I am working on my awareness of the thoughts and avoidance behaviours that lead me to the same unhealthy patterns.
Olivia
OliviaParticipantDear Anita
Yes, I agree with you so far. In my young mind, my mother and I were one. I felt the need to care for her emotionally and fulfil the dreams she could never achieve. In this way, I could be close to her. I saw how coldly she resented my father for all his perceived wrongdoings, how she kept hateful grudges against others whilst silently fuming. She would disclose this all to me. Her moods were unpredictable and she would often snap angrily without warning. In my young mind, it felt as if she hated me, for I knew she hated all these other people. I desperately wanted her to always treat me warmly. To mould myself to her would ensure her “love”. I see now that I lived with fear, feeling unsafe and insecure in my own home.
I have internalised these voices of my parents, and though I am aware, it is difficult to separate myself from the voice and accept myself wholly. Sometimes I imagine holding my young self, telling her all the things I needed to hear as a child, feeling all my love in my heart and sending it to her. I feel sad, but it is as though the sadness is choked in my throat. I suppose it will take time for me to learn to become more present with my body and my feelings. How do I develop the emotional regulation skills and the trust in myself to stay with the fear?
olivia
OliviaParticipantDear Anita
It’s good to hear from you again!
Yes, I also felt uncomfortable and distressed, and withdrew to daydreaming alone to escape the anxiety of real life. Ironically the daydreaming is often about who I idealistically want to be in the future… feeding into my anxiety of not being “good enough” in the present.
I’m embarking on the journey of learning to be present and accepting myself as I am today. I understand now that these things people tell me I am or should be, are not valid. I don’t need to feel anxiety about meeting their expectations to please them. Often these expectations are not even rooted in reality. It’s like I think I can read their minds, and they’re just things I perceive the other person wants of me and I strive to become this image. I will be happiest being true to myself.
I think separating myself from my inner critic, the mental representation of my parents, is difficult as their voices are not so much critical as fearful and anxious. My parents had loving intentions, but their love was deeply ingrained with fear and anxiety, and their voice in my head causes me to simultaneously strive to please them and doubt my abilities. I am understanding that this voice does not serve me well.
I find that I have difficulty being present with my feelings and emotions. My mind feels disconnected from my body. For example, in therapy and talking about my mother’s childhood emotional trauma and how that has played out in her expectations of me, I feel anxiety. Yet there is underlying sadness that tries to escape my body, which is stopped by anxiety strangling my throat. I realised that despite often thinking of my mother’s pain, I have rarely allowed myself to feel this sadness… instead it manifests as anxiety, resentment, guilt, distress. Often when I try to describe how I feel, I realise I don’t know what I’m feeling, or I don’t let myself feel. I’m glad I now have awareness of this problem and more awareness of my body. How do I stay present with my feelings and let myself feel them without judgement or anxiety?
Olivia
August 9, 2018 at 4:48 am in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #220821OliviaParticipantAnita,
I think I understand what you mean. Although it felt good at the time to send this email, I realised afterwards that I had fallen into the well-worn pattern of temporarily calming my mother’s anxiety. It is not my responsibility. I will stop sharing my problems with her, as I realise that her response will inevitably be unhelpful and lead to further tension.
I think over the past few years I had wanted to shed the pretence of perfection around her. I felt I was being inauthentic by not being truthful about my problems. I wanted her to see me as I was. It is hurtful that her love is conditional, that she cannot truly accept me as my honest self, though I do not blame her. I understand that she is struggling with her own anxiety and insecurity.
I realise this conversation has strayed far from my original topic. Although I guess the issues with both my mother and my mentor are far more interconnected than I thought. I always thought that my positive transference towards my mentor was more to do with the hurt I felt in my relationships with my ex boyfriend and with my father, although I see that the pattern of poor boundaries and validation-seeking is present in so many areas of my life, including with my best friend.
I find it difficult to set boundaries, as I have had no real guidance in this and not much perspective. So far this past year I’ve blindly barrelled through reassessing and reconstructing the dynamics in my relationships with others. It was one thing to do this with close friends and family, as I knew they wouldn’t abandon me despite how strangely I acted towards them. Trying to set personal emotional boundaries in my interactions with my mentor, however, made me incredibly anxious as I felt so attached, he was the most important person I had met in my life, I had no precedent for this sort of relationship, it was incredibly emotionally intense, and I was terrified that the wrong actions would push him away from me. I don’t know how to improve in my boundary setting other than reading more books and gaining more insight.
I feel like I am back to my original problem of finding someone who understands me and helps guide me in life – especially as I cannot confide in my parents, and I want to set a professional boundary with my mentor going forward. Most definitely I will seek psychotherapy, and continue with meditation and mindfulness. However this week I began speaking to my younger sister about our relationship with our mother, asking her how it had affected her. She is someone, other than my mentor, who truly understands me, although she is younger, is still living at home, and has dealt with our parental dynamics by repressing her emotions and problems and bottling them in. Thus we rarely connect in a deeply emotional manner. I hope that we can become even closer and support each other in this way. I find that some of the people I am close to, such as my sister and another good friend of mine, are people whom I would like to confide in deeply as I know they understand me and have the emotional ability to empathise and the intelligence to advise me well, yet they themselves are so emotionally guarded due to the trauma of their own childhoods that I am uncomfortable being vulnerable myself.
Thanks to everyone who helped me see a different perspective on my problems these past couple of weeks. I feel like I have gained a much clearer understanding and have made so much progress in my emotional development and relationships. I am still struggling along – especially with the future fantasies, obsession with my mentor, and constant distraction from the present and the work I need to do, but I am putting into practice all of your suggestions and I have faith that I will see a gradual positive change.
Olivia
August 6, 2018 at 2:42 pm in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #220517OliviaParticipantPrash,
Thank you for your kind words.
I am able to see how my mother’s and friend’s circumstances and influences in life have shaped their reactions to me, though I admit that often I have taken responsibility for their emotions when I shouldn’t. I am attempting to set firm and healthy boundaries in our relationships – although I worry I have not been entirely kind in doing so and thus have caused some of the tension I have previously discussed. I hope that now these issues will continue to resolve.
Thank you for sharing your beautifully expressed thoughts on your understanding of God. Focusing on the things I can control and having faith that those I cannot will somehow work out – I think this lesson is one I can live by.
Olivia
August 6, 2018 at 2:41 pm in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #220515OliviaParticipantAnita,
Thank you for your insights. Yes, I see that this is my dynamic with my mother. The existence of my problems threatens her fragile identity as the “good mother” that she worked tirelessly to attain. This helps me understand my childhood anxiety, perfectionism and fear of asking for help. I could not express weakness or faults without being attacked, as though my imperfection was a threat to her. She sees motherly love as doing everything she can to make my life as happy, safe and easy as possible. When problems arise, she will agitatedly try to fix them for me, as though I am helpless and have no ability to do so myself. When I attempt to refuse her intrusive “help” she sees this as rejection, and a criticism of her as a mother. She tearfully attacks me until I surrender, apologise and reassure her that she is a good mother, and then I am a good daughter again.
Part of me wishes I could make her understand what she is doing, but I also know how difficult that will be, and how important it is for me to heal. I sent her an email after reading your response. I told her that I would always see her as a good mother. Whatever problems I have in my own life now, they are separate from her, and do not reflect on her abilities and skills as a mother. I am an adult, I am able to tend to my own emotional needs and she does not have to feel the need to solve my problems for me. I tell her these things because I love her, want her to know what is happening in my life, and value her advice. I wish for her to continue healing. She did not reply directly to the email, though she was very much affectionate and loving towards me afterwards. I felt the need to strengthen the boundaries between us, and tell her in the most clear and loving way possible that I am able to look after myself. I set my boundaries lovingly. I felt it was a healing experience for me.
I know that one email will not change very much. She repeatedly says to me that she knows what she has to do in order to heal – yet she has never done anything about it, despite all my previous efforts to help her in multiple ways. Growing up, I often felt the need to try to solve other people’s problems for them, though they were not my responsibility. I know now that I cannot change others unless they themselves ask and are motivated, and if I want to create change the best way is to lead by example and inspire others to follow. I hope that as I go through my own healing journey and embark on my training, she sees how passionate and fulfilled I am and will be motivated to work on her own life.
Regarding my friend, she has now accepted that she must “let me go” in her own way, to not see me as her subordinate, to not try to solve my problems for me when I do not ask for it. We often laugh at how she sees our close group of four school friends in a hierarchy determined by levels of logic, common sense and how much in need we are of her help in life, with our ranks enabling her to order around her two underlings. This week, I discussed the need for us to let go of the relationship problems of our friend, who she sees as needing the most help. We have for four years now attempted to do everything we could to convince our highly dependent friend that she had to leave a volatile relationship. Yet we have come to accept now that the only way for her to build the self-confidence and emotional maturity to do so is for us to stop meddling and telling her what to do. This is a journey that only she can go on herself. In discussing with my friends the developments in my relationship with my mother, I was able to recognise the pattern and resolve the issue about our friend with the toxic relationship, as well as enable my friend to accept that she must similarly let go of her need to solve everyone’s problems for them.
Ultimately, both my mother and friend want me to be successful and happy. I think that their anger stemmed from their insecurity and perception that I was somehow rejecting their love in the form of their unsolicited help. I have always had difficulties with setting firm emotional boundaries and I have worked very hard to resolve this in the past year. I hope that I have communicated clearly to both of them this week and this issue will continue to resolve. I think the main issue will be maintaining this development. I will of course prioritise my own healing no matter what.
Olivia
August 3, 2018 at 9:02 pm in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #220247OliviaParticipantAnita,
You have so elegantly and succinctly synthesised my feelings. Thank you. I deeply appreciate the time and thought you have put into your responses.
I agree with your perspective on my emotional state and the fantasy I chase. Yes, this obsession is really an addiction. Indulging in these fantasies will keep me from doing the work I need to achieve wholeness and clarity. The further my mind is from reality, the more it will inhibit my healing. The prospect of having to endure the emotional suffering is difficult, though I have hope. I have noticed that I have become better at dealing with distress, enduring through the discomfort with the techniques and mindsets I have taught myself. I agree with you that there is potential for healing in an equal relationship, when I am ready. I wish to first achieve some sense of wholeness and clarity, to feel that I can love from a place of stability rather than need.
I have gradually decreased my contact with my parents, perhaps a phone call once or twice a week now with my mother. I find myself struggling to shed my dependent child role. This has caused some tension with my mother, as well as with my oldest friend of 13 years, who have always seen me as a helpless creature needing to be taken care of, constantly needing them to fix my problems for me – a role I resented yet easily fell into. In fact, my mother called yesterday. Our relationship is loving and fun until I discuss my any sort of problem – and as I attempt to explain my feelings and she quickly attempts to fix me with increasing agitation and I try to explain that she is misunderstanding what I mean, it turns into her emotional indictment of how I have become so moody, difficult and easily offended lately, how she has to be so careful around me, how she feels attacked for being a bad mother but she read hundreds of parenting books and loves me so much and why can’t I understand this, she cries – I cry – and I reassure her that she is in fact a good mother, acknowledging that yes she had a horrific childhood, apologising for making her upset, tending to her emotional needs.
My relationship with my oldest friend is interesting as we are opposites. She is grounded, entirely focused on fact and certainties, rigid in her mindset. I have always looked to her to remind me of reality, to give me perspective from a purely logical standpoint. Now that I have less need for this, she finds the change in our dynamic difficult. She is terrified of my intense emotions. We have arguments about misunderstandings and how she views herself having power over me due to my emotionality.
It bothers me a little that in my journey towards wholeness, I have alienated two people who are important to me. I’m unsure whether this is something inherent in my personality that is “difficult”, “critical” or “annoying” that was just masked by my childhood sweetness and eagerness to please. Or if it is the development of my emotional understanding, if I am delving so far into my own psyche that others who do not have the ability to understand my emotions are left feeling lost and powerless to help. They both react to my emotions with fear – becoming agitated and defensive when they think I am critical and angry with them for not being able to understand me. I think there is also an element of their jealousy – I have since found others I can deeply connect with, I am embarking in a career they have no understanding of, and they are losing their control in my life, not least because I live far away and have my own life. I feel so strongly that I am becoming closer to my true self, but I am now someone they are finding more and more difficult to understand, someone less passive, less “easy” to deal with and control. Yet the way they treat me sometimes makes me wonder if I am acting like a toddler deliberately being difficult to achieve some perceived autonomy. I find myself apologising for my attitude, yet I am uncertain how much is really my fault. I am struggling to navigate the shifts in dynamic, wondering if our relationships can survive this change.
Your suggestion that I saw my mentor as my god is interesting. I have always admired the trust and comfort my religious friends feel in their relationship with God, how it enables them stability where their parental figures have failed them. I longed for something similar, although I have never been able to believe in a god. In moments of deep desperation, I thought about what my mentor figure meant to me, and his words of encouragement, placing him in that same role as a god, the loving parent figure I wanted. However this perception of him dissipated when I spoke to him in real life, when I was confronted with his reality, his humanness. In reality he cannot be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, and I was sometimes disappointed by this. I can see the folly of equating a flawed human as a god, and my desire to grasp onto some godlike figure for comfort has lessened as I continue to gain more understanding of myself. I still however find myself wondering where to put my faith. I have a vague faith in the universe, that everything will be ok. I wonder if I will find comfort in mindfulness and meditation? Buddhism has always appealed to me and I wonder if I will find peace in continuing to explore this further. I suppose if I find ways of healing my own pain and accepting my own suffering, the desire and need to put my faith in some external god figure will diminish, much as the patient no longer needs the therapist.
Thank you very much for your perspective.
Olivia
August 3, 2018 at 8:58 pm in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #220245OliviaParticipantMark,
Thank you very much for your kind words. I agree, if anything I can try to accept myself with loving kindness, and perhaps I will attain some level of healing and peace. I will practise mindfulness and meditation and continue my journey towards my goals.
Olivia
August 3, 2018 at 8:57 pm in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #220243OliviaParticipantPrash,
Thank you for your questions and insights that have enabled me to unveil a much deeper understanding of myself. I will continue working on my boundaries and self-awareness, and hope to progress in my personal and professional journey.
Olivia
August 2, 2018 at 5:44 am in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #219989OliviaParticipantMark,
I think your earlier suggestion of practising mindfulness and meditation will help me here. I live my life in my own head, dreaming about my future fantasy self, thinking about how great life would be if I could just jump ahead. In order to get there though, I have to work on living my life in the present. My mind often feels so disconnected from my body, but when I am mindful and feeling closer to reality, I am really much happier. It’s when I am being creative, looking at art, or out in nature, running, cycling, paddling on the river. It’s also when I am able to connect with people, and I use that connection to make a positive difference in some way. Perhaps I will try to do more of the above. Ironically, the future self I daydream about is mindfully present.
I think part of my admiration of him is how he is a mirror of my ideal self. He still struggles with issues that I can relate to, but he has learnt to manage all these insecurities and problems in an impressively mature way that I am yet to master. I’m a very impatient person. There were times when I expressed how I want to be like him, or asked how I could improve myself, or lamented my lack of self-confidence and various other flaws. All he has ever done in response is smile and say I will work it out and get there eventually, and the best way is to put myself in many varied situations to gain experience and learn. And although this is something I also wholeheartedly believe in, I found this mildly infuriating. I wanted him to use his wisdom to tell me exactly what to do. But I soon realised the lesson he was teaching me: to gain my confidence, I need to focus on the present, make my own decisions, and pave my own way in life.
The way he deftly handled my moments of emotional vulnerability made me admire him more, not least because my parents have often responded to me with anxiety, defensiveness, impatience or plain misunderstanding. To have someone in my life who for once understands me, understands what I want to achieve, and pushes me further than I could ever hope for, without projecting all his insecurities, is incredible. I mean, yes, this is technically what he does for a living, and he offers this support freely, but he doesn’t have to do all of this for me. In offering me regular opportunities, he is guiding me consistently in the way that I have always needed, where I am making my own decisions and putting myself in varied situations to learn and grow. For the first time, I am paving my own way, I am 100% certain of myself and I am totally disregarding my parents’ unsolicited projection of all their anxieties and fears. I think as Prash said, his guidance has been emotionally healing.
I think that the issues I have now will get better with time, experience and maturity. As well as mindfulness and living in the present, to make the best future possible. I have faith that I will get there.
Olivia
July 31, 2018 at 1:39 pm in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #219737OliviaParticipantPrash,
Thank you for your kind words and your very astute questions. You have definitely given me a new perspective. Do you have experience in this field yourself?
I believe you are right. I think he is highly aware of the role he plays as a substitute parental figure in my own life and part of his guidance was in fact allowing me to heal emotionally. There was one conversation very early on in which really broke the ice, where I confessed the transference I felt towards a patient who reminded me of myself and my own relationship with my parents. I discussed the empathy I felt for a patient with social anxiety who described never feeling good enough or being able to live up to the perceived expectations of her domineering and emotionally distant parents who had very set expectations, and felt that she was overshadowed by her high achieving younger sister. I was entirely distracted as I was nearly brought to tears, as the only major difference I felt in our journeys was that the patient had dealt with her distress by harming herself. I said this all with a smile, making light of my observations. He suggested that these feelings were still quite raw in me, but I denied it, saying that I only felt deep empathy.
I realise that I was wrong. I played out family relationships. The other student in our team became a substitute annoying older brother, and I became genuinely fond of him yet unnecessarily competitive, wanting to be seen as the best and favourite. I desperately wanted the validation of my mentor, but I was also on some level aware and embarrassed about it, which I think he found amusing. The times when I felt strong sudden feelings of love towards him were also times when I thought “wow, no adult has ever validated me emotionally like this before”, such as when he confided in me a work-related problem and asked for my advice, or when after telling him some dream plans he actually accepted them and added his own insights… instead of projecting his own fears and anxieties and bringing up all the potential dangers and possibility of failure and reasons why I shouldn’t do it and wouldn’t be capable of doing it and that I should live an easy, risk free life – which I could always expect from my parents and ex boyfriend.
With him, I felt free to be my uninhibited true self. I felt a sense of wholeness. For the first time in my life, these disparate parts of my personality and identity that would be hidden or emphasised to different people, felt integrated into a cohesive whole. I felt safe to be so vulnerable, because I knew he understood, coming from a place so similar to mine. It felt so healing to be so deeply understood. It gave me the courage to stay strong and pursue my own path, to not be swayed by the fears and insecurities projected onto me by the numerous anxious people in my life.
I think my attraction to older unavailable men stems stems from two different things. It’s an attraction to authority and stability, which for a long time I needed, being so unsure of myself and hungry for the wisdom and experience that I lacked. I believe it is also due to fear, as I will emotionally distance myself from perfectly appropriate people if I know there’s a chance of anything happening. I am afraid of being not understood, of having parts of my identity rejected, going back to feeling fractured and losing the sense of self I have gained.
Thanks for your help
Olivia
July 31, 2018 at 1:30 pm in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #219731OliviaParticipantMark,
Thank you for your suggestion. Meditation is something I have tried on and off and have found helpful in the past, but I have never been consistent in my practise. I will try to allow myself to sit with these feelings, instead of letting them circle in an endless mindless loop.
Thanks
Olivia
July 31, 2018 at 2:46 am in reply to: Complicated feelings of love, obsession and transference towards my mentor #219589OliviaParticipantDear Prash,
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
To be honest, yes I do think it is interfering with my life. He often intrudes into my thoughts, in an endless loop, particularly when I am stressed and wishing I could skip the years of struggle until I get closer to where he is in his career. A part of it is avoiding the difficulties of my own reality and the work that is required of me, indulging in the distant memory of a past self where I felt the happiest and most confident and purposeful I’d ever been in my life, under his guidance. I thought of my life as a tangled mess of threads that for a brief period were straight and it was like I could see everything clearly for the first time. I knew from the beginning that it would last only a couple of months. I know that I’m desperately clinging onto a fantasy self, which perhaps could be a reality if I really put in the same effort as I did last year, but I find my motivation lacking.
I am not particularly looking for a relationship currently, however I have found that I am often deeply attracted to older men who are unavailable because they are in a committed relationship or in a position of authority. I know I am capable of real love and intimacy, but I also have social anxiety and I am prone to anxious attachments. I think the prospect of finding an appropriate real relationship with all the uncertainty that entails is a little terrifying, particularly as I’ve been out of practice for so long. However, I tell myself that I would rather work on myself so I can become the best clinician I can be, rather than use a relationship to fix a problem.
I find myself feeling isolated at times, being introverted and socially anxious, preferring to avoid the difficulty of dealing with people socially. I have good friends I know I could talk to if I wanted to, but actually reaching out to them is difficult. My mentor is someone whom I felt strangely comfortable sharing many of my insecurities and anxieties with, because he understood my own perspective and mindset but with the benefit of two decades more experience, and his guidance and advice were on point. I have seen a few different therapists in my life, one towards the end of last year, yet no one has ever come close to the level of understanding that he has. He is the only person in my life whom I have been entirely determined to stay in touch with.
In terms of the advice I would give to someone who would come to me in a similar situation… I think I know that a real relationship is not possible, yet in some ways I still act as though it is. I treat the emotional validation I receive from our interactions as a substitute for that of a real relationship. I need to find other avenues of meeting my emotional needs, because I will not and nor I have never been satisfied enough with what I have from him – hence my deep overwhelming obsession. I also cannot be the fantasy self I daydream about without dedicated hard work. The qualities I admire in him are qualities that I know I am capable of developing in myself, and perhaps his role in my life is showing me a guiding path forward that I desperately needed. He is valuable to me in this way, but I do not need him to be the sole source of emotional validation.
In terms of getting rid of my romantic feelings, I hope that will continue to subside the less dependent I am on him and the more confidence I gain in myself. Although I don’t really know how to stop being in love with someone.
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