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December 3, 2017 at 8:42 am #180345KaelinaParticipant
I’ll give some backstory on this whole situation…I’m not expecting much to come from it but I thought it would be interesting to see a strangers point of view on this.
I’ve known this man since middle school. We never really hung out (wasn’t my kind of crowd) but we were friends. We then graduated high school and lost contact with each other. During the next seven years, I got into a serious relationship. I moved in with him after a month of dating, right before I turned 19. The next few years eventually led to marriage and a child, and in the end divorce. During this time I was conditioned that everything wrong was my fault. He was emotionally and mentally abusive. When I finally took a stand he accused me of cheating (which wasn’t the case) and kicked me out. So I took my daughter and left.
About a month later this friend from high school contacts me and wants to take me out to dinner to catch up. He asked for all the details about the divorce and even told me that he had to consider my daughter before he even asked me out because we were a package deal. From there on everything was going great! We started talking about the future together, the three of us, we did so many fun and memorable things. We have a lot of the same interests but also enough to keep us as individuals.
I rented my own place with my daughter and he lived with his aunt (he had just moved back from being across the country for school). My daughter goes to her dad’s almost every weekend. Every weekend I would drive down to his aunt’s place to spend time with him. The only time he came up to my place was when I had my daughter (who every time I kept her for the weekend, he would always come up to spend time with us). We even had our independence and went out and saw our own friends separately. Things were going great! Or so I thought…
For about the last year we were looking at housing listings to get ideas on what we wanted to buy (we weren’t planning on buying for another 2 years…) and what we could afford comfortably. Which is all well and good. Over this time I thought things were going well until last month he asked me to come to his place on my way home from work to talk. Which he never did. I had that gut feeling that something was wrong. Of course, I was right because he broke up with me. The only reasonings he gave me was he didn’t think we were “compatible” for the long term and he was never around. I had to tell him to get out of my car because I was so upset and I needed to go and pick up my kid from daycare so there was really no actual talking. I did manage to ask him how long he had been feeling like this and all he said was “for a while.”
….that while was the past 9 months.
I never once thought there was something wrong but apparently, there was. But he never once told me anything. He told me last year at one point to never shut him out and I feel that is exactly what he did to me which is not fair.
He came to my work this past Friday to drop something off for me and as he was leaving I said that I hoped we could talk about this soon (during the time of the break up to the Friday we never spoke. I even stopped liking or commenting on his Facebook posts because I was afraid he would take it as me being pushy) and he said “yeah, sure.” About 15 minutes after he left my best friend messaged me saying he called asking why I wanted to talk so badly. Well….she blew up.
He said “how can you love someone you only see once a week for a year? It’s a fantasy. And I can count on my two hands the number of times I’ve seen her kid. That’s not right. 100% on me. I cannot commit to it at this time. It’s better it happened now than later. If she couldn’t see that then she was blind.” And apparently, that is just the tip of the iceberg as he said. My friend chewed him out saying that he was a coward and didn’t have the courage to talk to me about this sooner instead of stringing me and my daughter along for the past 9 months. And my daughter loves him so much. She talks about him all the time and cherishes the times he spends with her.
1. My daughter goes to her dads basically every weekend so of course, the bf doesn’t see her. But every time she stays with me for the weekend he does come and see her. Plus we weren’t living together.
2. For us only seeing each other once a week…well that’s job-related. In the summer he works 6 days a week so we only saw each other on Saturday. During the first few months of the year, I work 6 days a week because of tax season. But we always seemed to make it work and I thought we were happy. When he switched to his current position I was there when he did. We talked about what the job entitled and I told him that I was fine with it and that we’d make it all work out. If I honestly didn’t like that idea, I wouldn’t have let this go on. I have my kid to think about. Also during the past two years, I’ve extended the invitation for him to come over and have dinner with us, each time being rejected because of him having to work early the next day. Fine. I completely understand that. But if you aren’t happy with how often we are seeing each other, why not make more of an effort instead of using it as an excuse?
Basically this break up blindsided me and I want some answers but he’s not willing to talk right now. So, of course, I’m giving him his space to breath and think. If there were so many issues why wait for 9 months to say anything? Why not say something and try to work it out? Am I stupid for wishing/hoping that things work out? Am I stupid for wanting to wait and be patient with him and see how this works out (but not let this stop me from living my life because I can’t do that)? Because I do still really love the man and I feel that this whole thing could have been dealt with if he had only talked to me about it first. I feel like everything he told my friend were all excuses. Cold-feet and commitment issues? Afraid to be vulnerable and to be loved? I don’t know. Yes, I’m hurt and upset that he waited so long and did this very poorly (he even said that himself to my friend), but I have no hate towards him.
During the last month I have done a whole lot of self-reflecting and realized that I haven’t been true to myself so I started working on it and I have been making some major improvements. He told my friend that I was the one that needed to reflect for the next while and when he’s ready then he will talk. She told him to follow his own advice and told him that I was already well on my way.
I just don’t understand this situation. Obviously, he needs to mature up a bit (we are both 28) and we both need to take some time to self-reflect. But am I wasting my time?
December 3, 2017 at 10:34 am #180403AnonymousGuestDear Kaelina:
Your thinking here reads reasonable to me, logical. I was wondering, what has been his relationship with your best friend, why he called her and felt comfortable talking to her? If he was afraid of letting you know of his doubts and fears but felt comfortable communicating to her, it leads me to think they had previous communication where he felt comfortable?
* Will be back in 18 hours or so, to read your reply, if you do reply. I hope other members comment on your thread as well.
anita
December 3, 2017 at 10:51 am #180405KaelinaParticipantThey are friends and she’s happily married. I think it’s because she knows me so well and he knows she’s been with me through the breakup. She didn’t know how he was feeling at all which is why she blew up at him. He sent me this message at 10pm last night so my best friends snapping at him seemed to do something.
“I just want to let you know that I am deeply sorry about the decision I made. I had come to realize that I could not fully commit to you and your daughter which wasn’t fair to either of you.. Especially her. Over two year’s I have seen her less than 10 times. Mostly my fault. I will own up to that. Even though as much fun as we had it wasn’t right. I feel that I am not going to reliable at this time in my life and with where things might end up in the future for me. I still don’t know what’s going to happen yet but some big changes are coming. I have absolutely no hostility or regret/whatever towards you. I still think of you as a good friend.”
My response: “The one thing that really gets me right now is that you told me to never shut you out and keeping this from me for so long…you did just that. And it makes me wonder if anything you said during that time had any truth behind It, like telling me that you loved us…I hope I’m wrong… Everything that’s happening…it could have/can be dealt with it.
Being committed doesn’t mean you need to be there 100% of the time to be committed 100% of the time. There are tons of families that do that; one person works out of town or they work opposite shifts and they are happy. It’s the times they do spend together that means the most.
I know you don’t see her a lot. With work schedules and her being at her dads on the weekend, it was expected. But you have no idea how much she cherishes the time you do spend with her. She still talks about you, still wants you here. So do I.
What are these big changes that are coming?
And I know nothing I say will change things but this is how I feel…I have no hate or regret either. I do still want to be friends, good friends because we do have fun together.”
My response might sound like I’m trying to convince him to stay but that’s not the case. I just wanted to get out what I’ve been thinking and feeling for the past month. I understand not feeling reliable because of the future but no one knows what the future will hold. No one knows what the next 10 minutes will hold. I guess if anything for now continuing to grow a friendship is better than nothing. Even though it’s hard because I have lost my best friend (him) from the relationship ending. I still have hopes that maybe somewhere down the line things will work out but I feel stupid for thinking and hoping for that to happen. I’ve experienced heartbreak before but this is on a different level.
December 4, 2017 at 4:14 am #180449AnonymousGuestDear Kaelina:
I re-read your original post as well as your second post attentively. These are my thoughts: As you wished and hoped and patiently waited for him (“Am I stupid for wishing /hoping that things work out? Am I stupid for wanting to wait and be patient with him and see how this works…”), you did not engage in an honest, true, close communication with him. Reads to me that you kept the relationship flat, being very rational but not emotional.
I think that this lacking communication, lacking closeness was the ongoing feature of this relationship for a long time, maybe from the beginning.
The conversation your friend had with him was none for her to have. It was for you to have. It was not her place to blow up and chew him out. Seems like she expressed… your emotions while your policy was to subdue and keep your emotions hidden.
You wrote: “During the last month I have done a whole lot of self-reflecting and realized that I haven’t been true to myself”- reads like not being true to yourself is connected to that lack of honest, close communication with him.
I hope to receive your reply, would like to communicate about this further.
anita
December 4, 2017 at 8:43 am #180479KaelinaParticipantI thought our communication was pretty good. We talked a lot and if something was bothering us we usually talked about it. He kept this from me for 9 months and didn’t give a hint that there was something wrong (still saying he loved me, whether that’s true or not, still sending me housing listings, etc). I wanted to talk about the break up a week later but he said he wasn’t ready. Even in the message he sent me on Saturday (after me saying again I’d like to talk about this) he said he didn’t really feel like talking. And he’s not an emotional person.
Yes she did blow up and sort of said what I wanted to because he never gave me a chance to express how I was feeling. And I’ve kept my distance because I don’t want him to feel like I’m being pushy. The only one at work that knows about this is the receptionist (an older married lady). I explained what he texted to me on Saturday and she said it sounds like he isn’t sure what he wants in life and is trying to figure it out alone. Which I get.- This reply was modified 6 years, 11 months ago by Kaelina.
December 4, 2017 at 8:58 am #180483AnonymousGuestDear Kaelina:
Can you restate how you find out that he has been considering a breakup for nine months?
I wonder, is he still communicating with your best friend (who is also his friend)? Did the two of them meet through you, her being your friend first?
anita
December 4, 2017 at 10:48 am #180507KaelinaParticipantI guess saying he called was the bad wording. They talked through Facebook messenger and she screen shot and sent me what he wrote, with him saying he has been feeling this way for the past nine months.
He’s not communicating with her or anyone really right now (and I can assure you that there isn’t anything going on between them). He used to post a lot on Facebook but since the breakup he’s really cut back to maybe 2 posts a day if that. The three of us all met in middle school from being in the same class together.
December 4, 2017 at 11:15 am #180515AnonymousGuestDear Kaelina:
I did not suspect that there was something going on between the two of them, a romantic or such going-on, not at all. When a third party is involved in the first and second party’s relationship there is a third person’s projections that complicate things, that was my thinking.
Will be back to the computer in about 17 hours. If you would like, you can add to your thread any information regarding his behavior with you during these nine moths. Will re-read your posts and read any new posts you might add tomorrow and reply then. I hope other members will reply by then.
anita
December 4, 2017 at 12:42 pm #180529KaelinaParticipantHmm never thought about it that way. But good point.
His behavior during these 9 months was the same as it was when we first got together which is why I never saw this coming. He had a very good poker face. Still showing me housing listings, still talking about the future, etc. Example on October 29th he joined my daughter and I for a walk, then went to my mom’s house to carve pumpkins, then all of us went out for dinner. When we were leaving he kissed me, said I love you and text me when you get home. Everything seemed and felt good. Every night after that our texts were the same “good night, love you, etc” So nothing he did was out of character for him for me to suspect that something was wrong. Then come November 6th, he called it off.
December 5, 2017 at 5:31 am #180591AnonymousGuestDear Kaelina:
“He had a very good poker face” and “he’s not an emotional person”, you wrote. Nothing in the last nine months is his behavior was different from before.
This is my understanding, a possibility: there is a whole lot about him that you don’t know because he didn’t share with you, and probably not with anyone, including those “big changes” in his “I still don’t know what’s going to happen yet but some big changes are coming” comment. You asked him about those big changes but he didn’t answer you, did he.
A whole lot he didn’t share throughout the time you knew him. He is in the habit of not sharing, of not being spontaneous, as if living on automation, going along, getting along, saying and doing what is expected, yet having his own thoughts and feelings that don’t fit with the expected, keeping those to himself.
For example, he figured it is expected of a good man to consider a young mother and her child as “a package deal”, so he told you so right at the beginning of the relationship. But he didn’t feel that way.
He also communicated you recently: “I have absolutely no hostility or regret whatsoever towards you”- I don’t believe it is true. I think he is angry and has been angry for a while, hiding it under that poker face. I think he has been resentful about “having to” go along with the relationship, “having to” comply with your expectations, looking at the house listing.
He didn’t have to, of course. I think he felt like he had to, a pattern of thinking and behaving since his childhood. If he didn’t feel angry at you, he wouldn’t have thought of stating to you that he is not angry at you.
Post again with your thoughts and feelings, if you’d like.
anita
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