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February 13, 2017 at 9:34 am #127411DesmondParticipant
Dear Anita,
But she is clinically depressed and suffering from anxiety. These things she had not before we became partners. I have seen her fall down into the dark place. She always said to me that I’m doing this to her, but she believes in me. But she believes I can stop doing that and we can become a good couple. And I lied some more to her, sometimes about things I don’t even remember anymore, yet she keeps remembering new things and bringing them up. And they sound really true, like something I could do and might have done.
My punishment as you call it, is it not fitting? I have destroyed her life, I have wrecked her mind, she is now depressed and unable to move on with her life. How is it not fitting that I now do everything in my power to help her? How can I know that she enjoys my position as submissive, and doesn’t just want to get better, back on her feet? And if she wants it, on what basis am I not required to help her move on, when it was me who brought her down?
My low libido is rather closely tied to my low testosterone and maybe to a long history of watching porn and masturbation – it took 15+ years for me to understand that this is a major problem and I need to quit it, and I quit it immediately – it turns out I never needed it in the first place – but maybe harm to me is already done. I should see a sexuologist about this probably or maybe psychotherapist. Or both.
Somewhere deep within me there is a voice that tells me “Anita is right, you needn’t to bear with this anymore” but what if this is a voice that tells me to run away from problems? What if it’s trying to tell me to abandon someone I should stay with and try to help no matter what?
February 13, 2017 at 10:03 am #127421AnonymousGuestDear Desmond:
“But she is clinically depressed and suffering from anxiety. These things she had not before we became partners.”- no doubt, she was not well before meeting you.
“I have seen her fall down into the dark place.”- it is you who fell into a dark place. You are in that dark place as you read this.
“But she believes I can stop doing that and we can become a good couple.”- the promise of being a “good couple” is the carrot she dangles in front of you, the false promise of reward. You will never get to eat that carrot.
“she keeps remembering new things and bringing them up”- this is part of her abusing you.
“And they sound really true, like something I could do and might have done.”- and this is evidence that her abuse is working- she has effectively brain-washed you to the extent you admit to “wrongdoings” you don’t even remember.
“My punishment as you call it, is it not fitting?”- no. You committed no crime. It is not right for you to be incarcerated.
“I have destroyed her life, I have wrecked her mind, she is now depressed and unable to move on with her life.”-
No, she is destroying your life; she is wrecking your mind; you are now depressed and unable to move on with your life.You are under the false belief, the delusion, that she is in trouble while it is you who is in trouble. Get out of this relationship. Save yourself.
anita
February 13, 2017 at 2:22 pm #127481BambiParticipantI read all of the post above. I respectfully disagree with some of the insinuations made above. I don’t think she is the abuser in this case, she definitely is tormented by your past behaviour, continued repetition of it over time, repeated apologies without any change in your behaviour, and so on and so forth ..the cycle continues. I don’t blame her for feeling helpless, of course her way of dealing with this is extremely unhealthy for both of you. She wants to keep you around thinking you will fix her broken self and she has no where to go without you. This is classic case of Stockholm syndrome. There are countless resources on this if you would like to look it up. She feels some sort of emotional bonding with you, its a strategy for her survival, little does she understands that there is no healing in this for both you or her. She has reached her full capacity and I can see how it can be very exhausting to deal with her anymore. Honestly you cannot her help her. If she feels the other way around she is fooling herself. You need to let her go so she can figure out why she thinks she could only find solace in your presence. This relationship is toxic for both of you. She has developed an unhealthy pattern of asking for your time ( 6 hours a day ) is a lot, ain’t nobody got that time sorry.
I also sense subtle and repeated gas lighting. We can agree she has developed an eccentric behaviour over time and she is feeling weak and not in control of her emotions. I can see why see feels she has no where to go and you owe it to her to stick around. She is not aware of the strength she has within and she will not see this until you step out. Right now you are her crutch but she also forgets you were a cause of a lot of distress in her life ( at least initially ) and she is doing disservice to both of you by forcing you to stick around. Maybe you can support her from a distance. Let her know she can reach out if she absolutely needs to. You started this message looking for advice how to fix your patterns but slowly and subtly it turned into all the faults she has. Bottom line, if you really want to change yourself, just let her go and make honest attempts to change your actions not just the intentions so this does not repeat for the next person in future. Good Luck !
February 15, 2017 at 1:22 am #127671DesmondParticipantDear Anita and dear Bambi, I have read both of your messages carefully and given them consideration. Conclusion I have drawn from this is not heartwarming. Here is what I think. This seems to be an abusive relationship, where we are both being abused by each other.
I have done things, that haunt her to this day – some of which were definitely wrong (like lying) and are something I need to work on – and some other were lifestyle choices and personality traits that she could not accept (like requiring less “together time” or having one-night stands in my past). By being tormented by my both past and more recent actions, she is being abused by me and my behavior.
In an attempt to relieve pain and suffering, she creates long arguments, where she brings up both current and past issues and lashes out at me. By letting her anger be uncontrolled, she releases emotions bottling up inside of her. By spending big amounts of time together, she receives feeling of security and control. This is not unusual for people suffering from both anxiety and depression. But this behaviour is also abusive.
I am not saying that any of us is an abusive monster. All these seem to be behaviours that could be corrected over time (or removed when negative stimuli are removed too). Maybe we are just incompatible in terms of lifestyle choices (she stated more than once that would she know I have had one night stands, she would never date me, as this disgusts her, but now that she developed feelings for me, it’s not easy to just throw them away).
We also seem to be suffering from mutual Stockholm Syndrome, although I am not sure on this. It seems obvious that she is unable to leave me, feeling some sort of emotional bonding. She is also feeling helpless (perhaps feeling developed from her attempts to correct my negative behavior, which all failed) and thus is unable to move on with her life. Maybe she feels helpless in all spheres of her life because of that and this impacts strongly her self-esteem? And so she is using me as a crutch, and desperatedly attempts to hold me by her side with threats, guilt trips and reasoning (saying that I owe her that). She feels that without me, she would have nothing and nowhere to go.
Myself, I am sticking around and am unable to leave her, but I am unsure as to why. I feel guilty for what I have done to her, an this is one of causes. Her reasoning seems not faulty either – least I could do is to help her get back on feet. Although being free of this toxic relationship is something I currently long for, I am unable to push for. Not only because of reasons mentioned above, but also because I don’t want to. I feel bonded to her and leaving her would hurt me. And I know I would hurt her, which is something I don’t want to.
Truth be told, it was me who tried to break up first. Half a year into our relationship, I felt overwhelmed with her presence. She wanted to spend together much more time than I would, and would constantly get upset if I refused. She got upset when I wanted to meet at later time. She got upset when I stated upfront that we would see each other for shorter time. She got upset when during our meeting I stated that I’m going to sleep early and we need to split up for the day. And I was never able to bring myself to tell her “hey, we’re having amazing time, but I’d like to spend this evening on my own you know”. I knew she would be really upset about this. But as I have told her I want to end things, she started having a panic/anxiety attack. She got lightheaded, started having difficulty breathing, and when she could breath, she would hyperventilate. She was unable to stand up (we were on a grass field) and would immediately fall down. Terrified, I tried to calm her down and found myself unable to leave her. And we decided to stay together. Maybe I should have broken up with her back then and that would have spared us all trouble.
Where we are at now, is an unpleasant place. She is lashing out at me for things I did, and I don’t find any comfort in her presence anymore – I am always on alert, trying to avoid triggering her anger. Maybe this blocks my emotionality, because she always says I am unable to show any positive feelings. But I am often afraid when spending time with her.
We are both unable to make a move in any direction. And I don’t know what to do. As you say, any of us can not heal in this relationship and perhaps ending it would be best or even only choice. But I cannot bring myself to do it, and whenever she tells me to “piss off” because of some reasons – I find myself apologizing or defending my point. Maybe because I know that when she tells me to bugger off, two days later she will message me again, saying things like “so this is you changing yourself like you promised?” or “you don’t know how bad I feel because of you and you probably don’t care, but know that I haven’t eaten for two days and all I do is cry”.
I am so lost and scared.
February 15, 2017 at 8:35 am #127707AnonymousGuestDear Desmond:
You wrote: “She is lashing out at me for things I did, and I don’t find any comfort in her presence anymore – I am always on alert, trying to avoid triggering her anger… I am so lost and scared.”- these are the writings of an abused man, being in an abusive relationship, what you called a “toxic relationship”.
She has been using your behavior before you met her (ex., one night stands) against you, as evidence of you abusing her. How could you possibly been abusive to her before meeting her.
Regarding the statements she make, in your last paragraph: ““so this is you changing yourself like you promised?” – she says this after she tells you to “piss off” and “bugger off”- she expresses aggression toward you, lashing out at you, repeatedly, and then she blames you for HER OWN AGGRESSION.
This woman arrived into your life troubled, carrying deep seated, unresolved anger toward other people in her life: maybe her father cheated on her mother with women with red hair, I don’t know. What she is doing is inaccurately projecting her pre-existing anger into you. She will continue to do so for as long as her unresolved anger circulates in her brain, looking for release. Only competent psychotherapy can help her resolve her original anger.
It is a common misconception people have: that an abusive person is a cold hearted, calculated person committing abuse for fun. Reality is abuse is commonly done by people who are suffering, just like her.
Another misconception is that a victim of abuse is a victim only if that person is perfect in every way, never departed from proper and appropriate behavior. Reality is, no adult is perfect, free from any wrongdoings.
I think you need competent psychotherapy so to shake off your paralysis in this situation and LEAVE her and this relationship. You cannot heal her. All you are doing is making yourself sick and sicker.
anita
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