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  • #282507
    Butterfly
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    Hi Anita, I have read a few things on this forum and thought maybe someone can shed some light on what I am going through.

    I am in a long-distance relationship for 2 years now with someone who I love very much and loves me as well. During these 2 years, we have lived in a foreign country together for 6 months and another two and a half months a year later in his country. Now I came back home and found out I was pregnant. We mutually decided that it was not the right time and our living situation was not stable enough for a child, so we decided to terminate. I terminated the pregnancy just 4 days after confirming the pregnancy. He could not physically be with me during the process due to the expensive plane tickets and he could not leave work in such a short notice. I understood. I am independent and knew I could handle this on my own. He’s been supportive over the phone and regularly checked on me. But the day I took the 2nd abortion pill (the one that causes the intense cramping and bleeding)…he was on the phone with me when I took the pill and 3o minutes later I felt the cramping. 2 hours later I was writhing in pain. And no one else knew about this abortion but him, so I only had him for support. It was about midnight (Friday), where he is…what disappointed me was that as I was moaning and groaning in pain, he said that maybe I should mute myself because he couldn’t sleep and he had an appointment that morning at his doctor’s. I was mad and said that I needed him. But if sleep was more important then hang up the phone. It wasn’t something I needed to hear from him at that time. He did not hang up and stayed on the phone but stayed quiet. Not a word. One hour later I really could not handle the pain and I asked if he was still on the line. He said yes. I was screaming in pain, I curled up into a ball, I punched my pillows, it was too much that I was ready to have him call my sister to help me. But I decided to wait another 30 minutes and this was when he told me “okay, really babe I have to go. I will my phone on and just call me when something happens” So I just hung up. I was so disappointed. I am convicted now because I love him but I felt he abandoned me. I no longer feel safe with him and I feel that it was just a big inconvenience for him. How was he able to sleep not knowing whether I will be okay or not? I would have stayed up all night with him had it been the other way around. We had plans on getting married and we are working on closing the distance once and for all, before all of this happened. I don’t know where to go from here….I would appreciate a third person’s perspective. Please. Thank you.

    #282515
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Butterfly:

    You opened your post with my name. But I am only one member here, the most active and for a long time, but still one member.

    Regarding your thread- I am glad you posted. I hope you fully recovered from the pregnancy termination, that you saw a doctor after the experience you described and that you are fully recovered, are you?

    Regarding your boyfriend’s response to your physical pain: no doubt it was unsatisfactory. But if your pain was expected, if you knew and he knew that it was expected, it was not a good idea to expect him to listen to the moans all night long. What is the use of that?

    Again, if the two of you agreed to the termination, and if the two of you knew it was not life threatening, and if you had all the possible medical help available to you at any time during that night, better after a long time on the phone, end the call and let him sleep so that he can attend to the appointment the next day.

    Men are often very uncomfortable with the expressions of pain, physical and emotional. It is so because they are taught to not express pain (the boys-don’t-cry message). I have seen it myself in a loving man, real loving and decent and very helpful, not showing empathy for a person in pain because of feeling so uncomfortable with the expressions of pain.

    I don’t fault a person for feeling uncomfortable, they can’t help what they feel.

    If your boyfriend is otherwise caring and helpful to you, and if he asked you for the details of the pregnancy termination and the pain you expressed on the phone was expected, and he knew as you did that the pain did not indicate danger to you, maybe his unsatisfactory reaction is forgivable.

    What do you think?

    anita

     

    #282519
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Butterfly:

    It just occurred to me, after submitting the above, that there was no  one with you that night and no one knew about the procedure. Someone should have been there with you. Because there is a chance that something will go wrong, and let’s say you lose consciousness. So I am correcting my response to you above:

    you should have had someone there with you in case you lose consciousness and can’t call for help. If you were all alone, it was wrong, wrong for him to not be there with you physically.

    anita

    #282525
    Butterfly
    Participant

    Thanks for the response Anita and sorry for the confusion.

    I am fully recovered and received the appropriate follow up. Thank you!

    I was alone at home that night, I couldn’t bring myself to tell anyone. My family especially, being in my 30s and having to terminate wasn’t exactly something I’d be excited to share with anyone, especially when all I get from my family is the pressure of marriage and children. I also just did not want a lot of opinion that could possibly cloud my own. But I had my boyfriend on the phone so he can make the phone call if something were to happen. He couldn’t be with me physically because it happened in such a short window of time. I was starting a new job the following week after the abortion and I needed it done immediately.

    My boyfriend is caring, sometimes I just feel he doesn’t get it when he is needed emotionally. I just don’t know how to get pass this. I don’t want to resent him or have this hanging over my head for the rest of our lives.

     

    Thank you again!

    #282531
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Butterfly:

    I am glad to read you are fully recovered. I have to be away from the computer and will be back in about sixteen hours from now. I think you should have had the termination done with someone reliable present so to call for help in you need help and unable to make the phone call, and otherwise assist you. It didn’t have to be your boyfriend, but someone should have been there physically.

    Please re-read my first post to you and let me know what you think about my input there.

    I want to reply to what you shared in your recent post and to anything you may add and will do so when I am back. Maybe other members will reply to you before I am back.

    anita

    #282609
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Butterfly:

    I want to retell your story that you shared here and then offer you my thoughts:

    You are in your 30s. Your family has been pressuring you to get married and have children. You’ve been in a long distance relationship for two years. You and your boyfriend lived together for six months at one time and for 2.5 months at another time, both times not in your country, or near your family. The two of you were planning to get married.

    Following the last visit with him, you returned to your country and found out that you were pregnant. You communicated with your boyfriend about it and the two of you decided to terminate the pregnancy and that he will not be present with you during the termination because of the expense of buying a plane ticket and his difficulty leaving work in such a short notice.

    You followed the termination procedure alone, on your own, on a Friday night. Thirty minutes after taking the second pill, you were writhing in pain because of the expected intense cramping and bleeding. You were on the phone with him. At midnight he asked you to mute the audio because “he couldn’t sleep and he had an appointment that morning at his doctor’s”. You told him angrily that you needed him and that if sleep was more important to him then he should hang up the phone.

    He didn’t hang up but stayed quiet, “Not a word”. Later in the night you were screaming in pain. Later he said: “okay, really babe I have to go. I will my phone on and just call me when something happens”.

    You are now angry and disappointed with him and you don’t know “how to proceed”.

    My thoughts: you made a few rational decisions: to terminate the pregnancy, to do so quickly before you start a new job, to do so without the knowledge of your family, and to agree to your boyfriend not flying in and be present during the termination. It all made sense, logically.

    You wrote regarding the decision that he stays in his country during the procedure: “I understood. I am independent and knew I could handle this  on my own”-

    -but in every independent woman there is a girl that looks up to that prince charming in those fairy tales, coming in on a horse to save the damsel in distress. You understood rationally that it makes sense, financially and practically, to terminate the pregnancy alone, but you skipped the emotional understanding that you expected him, as a man, to be there by your side.

    I think that you may have been angry with him before the procedure, angry that he did not buy that plane ticket so to be with you. And then, during the call Friday night, you got angrier.

    I need to ask you if I am correct in my understanding at this point. If you reply we can continue to communicate on the matter.

    anita

    #282713
    Butterfly
    Participant

    You are absolutely right in your understanding of the situation, Anita. I may have been angry even before the procedure, and it more than I can admit to myself. I love him so much and I have tried to understand at the heart level him not being there physically. Him leaving me on the phone made it worst and I felt like he couldn’t be there for me throughout the whole thing. AM I being unreasonable? What do I do? I don’t want to lose him and I don’t want to hang on to this anger.

    #282719
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Butterfly:

    If he believed that you were safe, after being on the phone with you for a long, long time, it was reasonable of him to want to sleep, because he had things to do the next day and he wasn’t taking the pain away from you by being with you on the phone for all the time that he was, so why shouldn’t he sleep and be able to function the following day?

    Like  I wrote, you should have had someone there in person. But there was nothing for him to do long distance.

    If he is a decent man, if he plans to make a good life with you and has been working honestly toward that goal, forgive him. It is the two of you who made the choice to terminate and it is the two of you who made the choice that he will not fly and be with you  in person during the termination. So it is not that he made these choices alone.

    It is not his fault  that you didn’t make the second choice whole heartedly, that deep  inside you expected him to do the opposite of what was decided.

    Does it make sense to you, to forgive him and resume your plan to make a life together with him, (again, assuming he is a decent man with honest intentions and he is working on making it happen)?

    anita

    #282731
    Butterfly
    Participant

    We are talking it out. He has apologized a few times. I am really trying to let it go. We love each other a lot and we don’t want this whole thing to be our ultimate end. I am honest with him about all my feelings, even the anger. I don’t want to just deny and shove it down deep to the point that it comes out subconsciously in uglier ways.

     

    Thank you for your insight. You have no idea how much I appreciate it.

    #282817
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Butterfly:

    You are welcome. It is good that the two of you are talking.

    You alone experienced the physical pain that Friday night, but remember that he experiences pain too, at times that you don’t. As you proceed in life with him, sometimes you will experience pain while he doesn’t, and at other times he will experience pain while you don’t.

    He is a man but a human nonetheless, that means that he feels pain just like you do. He feels fear just like you do. This is why it is important that the two of you operate like a team, helping each other.

    Better not expect him to fix everything, as some  women expect a man to do. He is only human, maybe taller, maybe he has more muscles, but outside these insignificant advantages in modern life, he is not stronger or wiser or superior for having been born a male.

    I hope to read from you again, anytime you’d like.

    anita

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