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May 23, 2017 at 10:40 pm #150474LittleredParticipant
Hi everyone,
I was struggling with some old thought patterns and sought help earlier in this forum earlier where I received some really great and insightful advice. As I further did some self reflection I have uncovered a startling and very unexpected source of some of my very strong beliefs -Money.
I never even thought this could be a reason in my life. I have enough money now and lead comfortable life. While growing up I had a difficult childhood and was very unhappy and miserable. But now I realise the feeling of worthlessness, being underserving and other guilt and shame is actually connected to me being raised in an environment of scarcity. I was always punished or made to feel guilty if I asked for something. I didn’t get things easily as we couldn’t afford it. Asking felt like I am doing something wrong and it would be followed by backlash and unapproval that I should know better etc. Then they would buy it but I wouldn’t feel so good. Always that I shouldn’t have asked it. Somehow there is a deep shame and guilt in me and that has really caught me offfuard.
As an adult I know now that my parents were really worried and were trying to save money. They paid for my school and made sure I had money for books etc. I understand why they were frustrated with me on this. But as a kid I always heard them say we can’t have many things as there was not enough money. Some kids used to make fun of me that I didn’t have money or own house. Good things were for ‘rich people’ so that I started thinking ‘rich people’ are the ones who get everything in life and I am not one of them. I always wanted to be rich when I grew up as that seemed like a ticket to happiness.
I didn’t know such old feelings are still there in me. I don’t know what to do with them. I see that subtly I still have that in me like I always make sure I have more than enough money when I am going out in case I run out when I need something. I hoard stuff. Asking and getting was always associated with guilt so I still feel bad to ask anything and if I do something I want or ask a favour I immediately feel weird. Now I think it might me my old behaviour associated with shame of wanting something. E.g. If I ask a colleague for a charging cable or something equally small, I feel I have to give them something back or do something nice for them immediately. If I get a compliment, I immediately think of something negative like I have to balance it. Something good happens, I look for some bad thing that naturally has to follow. Like I cannot just take something.
I know it sounds silly and I know that it wasn’t deliberate, but I still am harbouring that fear and feeling of lack. It hit me like a ton of bricks that it goes back to as far as that time when we struggled for money. These beliefs are now just in money, but everywhere. Is something wrong with me? How can I convince myself that those old times are over and I no longer need to be afraid of such things. My brain knows it is not like that anymore but my thoughts and behaviour and whatever we call it seem to be reflecting something else. How can I help myself? Do I need to buy more stuff like show myself I can afford it or do I need to repeat to myself it is over or what do I need to do? It is frustrating like I am telling someone who just doesn’t understand that there is nothing to be afraid of. Why can’t I just see the reality? It sounds so silly and I am sorry I am supposed to be an intelligent adult but I really resonate with these limiting beliefs and feel if I fix these I can really allow good stuff to come into my life.
As always, all thoughts are appreciated and awaited.
Thanks!
May 24, 2017 at 9:49 am #150518AnonymousGuestDear Littlered:
Welcome back.
When we are children, we are always learning and our parents (whether aware of it not) are always teaching us. These childhood years are our most significant learning years, also called Formative Years because our core beliefs are formed then. Our core beliefs are the most significant things we learn and we learn them as children
These core beliefs become part of our brains: they are connections made between neurons; neuropathways. These connections involve thoughts and strong emotions. The strong emotions are the glue that hold the thoughts in place. For example, you learned that you are a bad person if you ask for something that cost money, this is a thought, but it is held strongly in place by shame and guilt.
When we grow up, those pathways do not disintegrate, neither are they meant to. What we learn in childhood is supposed to serve us well as adults (similar to a parent coyote teaching its young to hunt- that learning is supposed to serve the growing coyote well so it can feed itself. The coyote is not supposed to forget what it is taught).
And so, we don’t forget.
Of course we want to forget when what we were taught does disservice to us, brings us misery.
How do we unlearn? By learning something new. In your case, it would be learning that it is okay to ask for what you need. That new learning means new neuropathways that will grow and over time replace the old neuropathways.
Learning the new takes time and effort. It takes lots of patience because the old learning is still there and will not go away, disintegrate. It can only be replaced gradually, over a long, long time.
Exercises done in the context of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) can be helpful in verbalizing/ writing the thoughts in those old neuropathways and replacing them with thoughts of the new neuropathways that are in the process of being formed.
anita
May 24, 2017 at 9:54 am #150514Nov15ParticipantHi there littlered!
I read your post and decided to create an account to reply to you.
I feel like I can relate to your words as I, too, feel somewhat “guilty” and “indebted” if I ask people or even close friends for tiny favors that are as small as borrowing a stationery. When I was a kid, I had also always got the latest video game or toys, without knowing that actually we were not well to do. I had only known after growing up, when my mother told me.
However, I felt a connection to what you said – that you felt guilty asking your parents for things, and I guess that could probably be because of your politeness and ability to think for others as well. I, too, always tend to think to a greater extent when asking for favors, like – is my colleague gonna be needing this stapler anytime soon? Should I return it as soon as I can once I’m done? What if it spoils when I’m using it? How is it going to be replaced if it’s spoilt? Questions like these pop up in my mind because I feel “shy” to be getting favors from others because I’ll be thinking – why should they help me?
And when a colleague does me small favors, I will be ready to be doing doubly more favors back because I feel “indebted” to the person. Are you like me?
I wouldn’t classify your thoughts as “shame”, like you have said. I believe you are a nice person who just doesn’t want to bother others.
The childhood memories and phobias will always have an impact on your adult life, no matter what stage you are at. Just remember to always let it make you a better person and to have empathy towards others who may share the same background as you.
I wish you all the best. Cheers!
May 24, 2017 at 11:09 am #150538LittleredParticipantHi anita,
Thank you so much for taking the time out and replying in such detail. It certainly helps to see someone understand and give practical advice rather than just say let it go or just relax or something else that is vague.
My struggle is that I can see how this has been limiting me, can see it no longer serves me and yet I can see it as a part of me, like it is very, very subtle in my behaviour, but if I pay attention, I can see it. I am almost amazed by it, how much the body remembers!
You mentioned above ‘The strong emotions are the glue that hold the thoughts in place’, how well put! I liked this a lot and can relate to it instantly. As if I can somehow change the emotions associated it into something better, automatically the pattern will dissolve into just stray thoughts and maybe one day pass. Hope!
I briefly looked into CBT now online and saw there are lot of materials available. I will go through in detail and apply it. Thanks for the advice once again, I have somewhere to begin now. I am still surprised at this though, I don’t have money issues now and yet my body behaves as if there is a lack in every area of my life. Guess the mind is really complex.
I will keep you updated of my progress on how I proceed on this one. This is really an important block for me to clear and I hope I can do it well. Also, I am not sure how you feel about the Law of Attraction, but recently I read a lot of things about it and if I were to make sense of things in that context, I feel I must start releasing this feeling of unworthiness/unable to receive and other related things to allow good in my life. I would really like to hear your thoughts on this too.
Thanks once again!
Littlered
May 24, 2017 at 11:18 am #150542LittleredParticipantHi Nov15,
Thank you so much for registering to reply to me! I read your reply and it feels good to know that there are others who feel similarly as well, that I am not alone or bad for thinking this way.
The word you used was ‘indebted’. That is exactly how I feel when I ask something. Like I am somehow to make up for asking or receiving something. Although they may not feel it, I feel ashamed if I take something (even stationery which belongs to the office and neither of us) for a while, my mind runs – what if she wants it exactly now? hurry up, she might need it! what is she thinking now that I have asked, I have to return the favour later, something like this.. Can you imagine the never ending dialogue?
If someone tells me something personal, rather than listening, I feel I must share something personal too, else I am taking something from them. Actually I never realised all this until recently. Now I have started observing all this. I was worried for a while that there is something wrong with me seriously and then reached out here. anita’s reply calmed me down instantly. Hope I can work on myself and gently release these beliefs.
Thanks once again!
Littlered
May 24, 2017 at 12:06 pm #150554AnonymousGuestDear Littlered:
You are welcome. Before my thoughts about the law of attraction:
You wrote in your original post: “I was always punished or made to feel guilty if I asked for something.”- you were taught, and you therefore learned, that if you ask for something, pain (punishment) will follow. This is why you are afraid asking for something, be it a tangible or a non-tangible thing. You are afraid of the punishment to follow.
Your internal dialogue, described in your latest post, is about you trying to avoid the punishment to come: hurry up and return the item (before she needs it and gets angry and punish me)! etc.
Regarding my thoughts about the law of attraction: if you pretend, act as if you are confident, let’s say, in a party- that is likely to attract attention to you, people wanting to enjoy and benefit from your company. So there is likely to be quick success. Unfortunately, a person cannot pretend for long, so the success is temporary. In business, a salesperson can master pretense, and can be successful because he is prepared to pretend at limited times, while working, and can be himself/ herself most of the time when not working.
Pretending/ acting as if (which is what the law of attraction is about)is a tool that if used with other tools can definitely be beneficial, as part of the process I mentioned, in moderation, in some contexts.
You wrote: “I feel I must start releasing this feeling of unworthiness/unable to receive and other related things to allow good in my life.” – it is a good intent, a goal, to release a core belief (involving the feelings about being unworthy)- but it cannot be done instantly or magically, as the law of attraction implies to many. Releasing a core belief is a long, gradual process of learning the new to replace the old.
anita
May 25, 2017 at 12:53 am #150632LittleredParticipantHi Anita,
I see what you mean by pretending and actually being something. So if I work towards releasing such patterns, automatically my habits will change and also I will attract good experiences. All of these work together. Hmmm, makes sense.
In fact today I started by resisting the urge to do something out of guilt and saw how that felt. I deliberately asked for a stapler and just took it. And immediately I was squirming inside and there were mixed emotions but I didn’t do anything. I acknowledged it and said it is ok I can have this and went about my work. It is a very small thing but what I felt inside is unexplainable. Like something loosened up. It is uncomfortable but I felt good. It is like saying to my mind, see? Nothing happened. I did this again and it feels like something inside is being challenged and it accepts this new thing too. I don’t know how to explain but I feel as if I am repaying a bill or my loan is reducing or something like that.
in my earlier thread you had advised me to start small and nothing convinces the mind than actual examples, on those lines. That is so true! I have been applying those and find it that old doubts can be subtly challenged when you give new examples. And that works in the above case too. So thanks once again!
i will keep you posted on my progress
Littlered
May 25, 2017 at 6:02 am #150646AnonymousGuestDear Littlered:
Excellent job, second paragraph. I am very pleased to read your account of it. There is no such thing as an opportunity that is too small to practice new behavior. The more you practice, the stronger the new behavior will be.
Warning: learning a new behavior that contradicts old core beliefs, is not a linear process where only progress is expected. You will feel not as good, maybe even distressed, practicing and figure: this is not working! I am feeling so distressed!
This is where the incredible patience that is required comes in, or else you give up. Persevere, keep going. Over time, you will see healing. Accept the inevitable regressions of emotion, do your best to calm yourself when that happens, think about it later (when distressed clarity of thought is unlikely, better postpone thinking until calm), and practice yet again.
Looking forward to your updates, and you are welcome!
anita
June 21, 2017 at 6:41 am #154350AnuenueParticipantLittlered,
I had a similar childhood, where I learned early on not to ask for material things. Not from fear of punishment, but just from the way our family was. It was confusing as a child, because we lived in a nice house, and my parents traveled the world, yet there never seemed to be money for me to have new clothes. I had hand-me-downs until high school and I hated it!
It wasn’t until I became an adult that I mentioned this all to my mother and she explained. My father traveled internationally on his job and my mother sometimes got to go with him. It wasn’t that they were going on lavish vacations and leaving kids behind. And I also didn’t know at the time that my father was often unemployed and so they were frugal “in case” he lost another job. Plus my parents were children during the Great Depression, which I think effected that entire generation.
To this day, I have a hard time spending money on clothes even though I can afford to. Yet I always seem to scrape together money for travel! Reading your post made me realize that this is just repeating my childhood perceptions.
I don’t have words of wisdom for you. I just wanted to let you know your words have taught me something about myself, and I thank you for that.
June 21, 2017 at 7:57 am #154406MandersParticipantI don’t think the law of attraction is about pretending. It’s more about reaping what you sow. If you’re putting out negative energy you’re going to attract people with similar negative thinking. Positive people want to be around positive people so if you’re putting her out positivity that’s what you’ll get. If you think in a scarcity mindset you will not have abundance. That’s what it means to me anyway.
June 21, 2017 at 8:07 pm #154492LittleredParticipantHi Anuenue,
I am glad that my share helped you. It can be really confusing at times why we behave the way we do and when we do get clarity, it really opens our eyes. Just like I found out my limitations as I have mentioned in my original post.
Take care 🙂
June 21, 2017 at 8:13 pm #154494LittleredParticipantHi Manders,
I completely agree. Pretending is like trying to cheat the Universe which is not gonna happen! I absolutely agree that like attracts like and a negative vibration cannot attract positive experiences.
That is why I raised the issue in the first place. I have found my limiting beliefs. How do I energetically change?
1.I have a limiting negative belief about money that is based on my experiences and that is a vibration of scarcity.
2.I do not have money issues now.
3.But yet in every area of my life I can see the pattern of scarcity reflecting back to me.
4.I want to change my vibration to that of abundance.
5. I am trying affirmations.
How can I go from scarcity to abundance thinking and change my vibration? The old situation doesn’t exist, my energy reacts as if they do. Because of this my other areas of life are getting affected. I do not get things easily and it is a struggle and almost always out of my reach. I have identified the problem. How can I change?
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