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August 1, 2016 at 8:37 pm #111276IsraParticipant
So it’s a bit of a long story… but I have little to no experience with relationships, and I wanted to see if anyone had any advice.
I’m only a teenager, turning 18 soon, so please bear this in mind.Lately I’ve been having mixed feelings about my relationship and it’s been frustrating me to no end.
We’ve been together for nine and a half months now. This is my first longer-term relationship, and my first relationship in general. Recently we determined that unless one of us changed our minds by the time college starts (giving us about a year or so), we would have to break up, because our long-term goals are too different to be compromised on. If we throw distance (9 hours) into the equation for college I know I’m not going to be able to keep this relationship going long distance because it’s just too uncertain for me to make that commitment.Having reached this conclusion to stay together for the fun of things until it’s best for us to find people who are better suited to our dreams in life, I’ve only felt myself growing more and more distant from him… I don’t miss him even though he misses me a lot, I haven’t wanted to tell him I love him for a while, and overall I dread spending time with him instead of looking forward to it. At first I thought I was just going through a phase where I needed to recharge, because I’m an introvert and can sometimes get drained really badly, but it’s been almost a month since I’ve felt this way and I’m not sure what to make of it anymore.
I want to just have fun with this and make memories while we still can. The problem is, it hasn’t been fun for a while. And maybe I’m distancing myself because I know this isn’t going to be a forever thing, or maybe I am just in a slump, but the worst part is that I can’t figure out how to handle it… I still like him and I still want him to be happy. I still want to be his friend. But I feel like I’m just letting go while he’s holding on.
It’s like one part of me is clinging to this in hopes that it turns around while the other half of me is telling me it might be time to let go or at least admit to him that something feels wrong, and it’s no one’s fault. He’s such a nice guy and he’s funny and has been nothing but supportive even when I had an emotional outburst a while ago; he didn’t get upset with me when I broke up with him for a short time and still got me something on his trip when we weren’t even together anymore. He has done nothing but make me feel like it is possible for me to find love in this world. And yet lately I’ve just been feeling absent from this whole thing.Sure, I’ve been finding potential reasons for this fallout of mine. Maybe summer has dragged on too long and once I get back into the routine of school for senior year the anxiety will go away. Another thing is that I feel like an emotional crutch to him- he never seems to be satisfied with anything in his life except for me, and I can’t be his whole world. I just can’t. That’s a big burden to bear, and he needs to be able to be happy without me around… he gets upset when I don’t want to hang out and has been jumping to conclusions lately, though he has admitted that he’s on a ‘tight fuse’ recently. I still want to be there for him if he’s going through something but it’s been draining to feel like he wants me to be his everything when he’s only a fraction of my world right now. And sometimes it feels like he doesn’t support my dreams either, because while I encourage him to be happy and chase his dreams, he hasn’t really expressed an acceptance towards my dreams in return.
I don’t know whether I’m the problem or if this relationship is actually not good for me anymore… am I overthinking things? Do I wait it out longer? Or do I just tell him I haven’t been feeling okay about us and don’t know what to do about it?
I’ve thought about this way too much the past few weeks and every single time I come to the conclusion that I need to just wait it out because surely there’s no harm in staying together even though I feel deep down it won’t last and I’m unhappy… like maybe the happiness will just come back. Maybe I worry too much about the future and need to take a step back and breathe. Or maybe the reason I’m unhappy is because he’s still taking us seriously like we could still work while I’ve determined that won’t be the case, so I’ve lightened up too much and don’t see a future for us at all.I just feel so alone in this. I’ll try to bring it up tomorrow when I see him, but I’m having a hard time understanding my feelings, let alone trying to put them into words… I wish I knew what was wrong and how I could fix this. Everything else in my life is great right now, this relationship is the only thing causing me stress. )=
August 2, 2016 at 7:53 am #111296AnonymousGuestDear Isra:
This is what may be going on, let me know if I am correct and where I am not correct:
You rationally understand that this relationship will end in a year or so because of distance of colleges the two of you will attend and difference in long term goals that are too great to be compromised.
So you figured, rationally: it makes sense to continue this relationship for a year for fun.
Problem is, your emotional sense is not good with the plan: to keep the relationship going for fun. It makes sense to you to keep it going for fun, but your emotions are not cooperating with the rational plan.
They don’t because you don’t value FUN as a motivation for an intimate relationship with a man. You value long term plans, the real possibility of a lifetime future together, as a motivation for an intimate relationship.
So there is a conflict in you that is causing you distress: the Rational vs. the Emotional and your Values.
Now to my proposed solution: the Rational is really … not rational if it doesn’t take into account your emotions and your values. So the plan to keep the relationship going for fun has to be dropped. Also, keeping your conflict to yourself and not telling him is not working to your benefit either. You need and value honest communication with an intimate other. So you need to tell him the way it is for you.
It would probably be better for the two of you to end the bf/ gf relationship at this point and attempt to be friends. See how that works. This will relieve you from your distress, end the conflict and will give him the time to adjust to the ending of the relationship before he goes to college. It is better that when he does go to college he will be freer from his attachment to you. He will be able to focus more, on college and new friends if by then he will be used to the idea that indeed his relationship with you is over.
One more thing: you are emotionally attached to him, so it is going to hurt you too, to end this relationship. You may be surprised that once you end it, if you will, that you will miss him and may feel great sadness, immediately after or some time after. Expect that as a possibility. Some distress over may to follow you for a while. Hope not, but possibly.
What do you think?
anita
August 2, 2016 at 9:05 am #111312dreaming715ParticipantHi Isra,
You said, “I don’t miss him even though he misses me a lot, I haven’t wanted to tell him I love him for a while, and overall I dread spending time with him instead of looking forward to it.” If this is a persistent feeling, then you are doing him and yourself a disservice by staying.
I can only share my experience, but I’ve been on the side of unrequited love before (where you like the person more than they like you) and it’s absolutely painful to be strung along or for the person to stick around halfheartedly. It’s a crushing feeling. I’d personally rather have the personally respectfully let me go.
While I don’t know your personal situation, I’m sure you care for this person and have many great memories with them. This is special, but people grow and evolve. Change (even in relationships) is the most normal and natural part of life.
My personal opinion is that if you’re not 100% in, then it’s time to start moving forward.
Good luck to you!
-Dreaming
August 2, 2016 at 9:51 am #111316IsraParticipantThank you both so much for your replies.
Anita, I feel like you hit the problem spot on.I have always known that I did not like dating for fun. I value actual potential for a lifetime partner, and so the moment I determined that was no longer possible for us, my feelings changed dramatically… I feel deep down that we wouldn’t work out and that there would be better partners for him instead of me due to what we both want out of life.
The rational side of my mind is upset with myself because there is no ‘logical’ reason for us to end this when it’s going alright, and there’s no certainty that one of us won’t change our minds and the possibility for a future together could happen. The things we differ on- he wants kids, I don’t; he wants to settle, I want to travel; he’s a realistic pessimist, I’m more of an optimistic idealist- there’s no telling if those things will change or not.But I guess in the end my intuition has told me that I’m not the one for him and vice versa… that we probably won’t change our minds and that it might be best to let this go so I can focus on my dreams and potentially find someone who shares my goals during or after college. And that’s where I’m at a loss, because he still has hope for us while I do not, and so it’s hard trying to figure out whether I should wait and keep trying or try to convince him this isn’t what’s best for us… I don’t want to just give up, but I can’t stay true to myself unless this is discussed. Unless he can convince me that there really is still some hope, my emotions will not cooperate with our current plan.
I haven’t communicated this to him even though it’s been going on for about a month now, and that is my fault, but it was because I thought I was fighting for us when in the end I’ve only been fighting myself… it hurts to realize this. So hopefully today I will get a chance to tell him what’s been going on and see what he thinks we should do from here… if he really feels there’s still hope I don’t want to let go, but if he admits that he doesn’t think he will change either, then we’ll seriously have to consider taking things down a notch for a while.Thank you so much for the help. I feel like you laid this out perfectly and that I finally understand why I’ve been so confused lately. I’m trying too hard to hold onto something that my heart isn’t actually invested in anymore, and for my health both mentally and physically, I need to tell him and trust that he’ll cooperate to figure out what’s best for us both.
I guess it’s just hard considering I have the worst timing in the world. Not only are we almost at one year, but my birthday is this Friday, haha… dumb reasons to not say anything though, so I won’t let that get in the way.
Anyway I really appreciate this and I’ll probably come back to report on how it goes later.-Isra
August 2, 2016 at 10:57 am #111325AnonymousGuestDear Isra:
I am impressed by your good thinking, impressed to read it at any age and at soon to be 18.
One mistake in your current thinking that I believe you should examine before talking to him:
You seem to think that you need his agreement that the relationship is not a good idea. As if your thinking is not competent enough to evaluate what is the right thing to do. Getting input from him is a very good idea, listening to what he says and evaluating it. But to need his agreement is the mistake.
I wrote that I am impressed by your thinking at any age; this is because it is uncommon, at any age. This means your boyfriend’s thinking is not likely to be as good as yours. If you try to get his agreement, the talks with him are likely to become arguments, debates, trying to convince. Not a good idea.
Can you imagine if to move forward in your life you will have to first get all involved parties to agree with you first; if you wait for the involved parties’ permission to do what you think is right for you?
You will live in a constant standstill!
Evaluate what he says; don’t expect or wait for his approval. He doesn’t know better than you do.
He wants kids and you don’t. Then you think: maybe I should stay with him because he may change his mind. If you live with this expectation then you will not be able to make active choices in your life- you will be waiting and waiting just in case people will change their minds, their attitudes….
Best for you to take an active part in your life- this is your best chance of having a good life, in relationships and in any other area. There are no guarantees of success, but this is your BEST chance for success. Use this as an opportunity.
Please post again anytime. I am curious to know about the conversation you will be having with him and will be glad to reply if you share about it. When you talk to him, do listen to what he says, just listen and nothing else. Then share here, if you will.
anita
August 2, 2016 at 9:33 pm #111392IsraParticipantSo we had the conversation. (=
At first it was hard because I was about to cry and wasn’t too sure of how to word things, but he gave me a hug which calmed me down enough so that we could talk about it more. With time I managed to tell him that the trouble I was having was that my mind was using logic while my heart was having a hard time grasping the idea that it was a good idea to just date for fun when I had no hope of a future for us, what with our long-term goals being different.He ended up telling me that he knew he cared for me a lot now, and he knew he would still care for me just as much- or even more- in the coming months. He basically said that the way he sees it, there’s still a pretty good chance that his mind could be easily changed, which would mean that he thinks there’s plenty of hope. In the end he said it was my decision to make but I needed to listen to what my first thoughts were telling me, so I ended up with this:
I am not ready to call it quits with the relationship. He still means a lot to me, and while my heart might fear that there’s no hope, letting go of him would feel like an even bigger mistake than trying to stay. He’s not going to message me tomorrow until right before bed, where he has requested that I give him my ultimate decision about the whole thing.I think my emotions are acting out of a place of fear rather than joy, and that’s not something I want to do in my life… if I decide to leave him just on the fear that there’s no hope left for us, then we ruin what could potentially be hundreds of good memories just around the corner. I think maybe with how little we’ve seen each other this month, maybe not seeing him gave me too much time to stretch my emotion. Not spending time with him let me feel even more distant than I normally would, because the moment I saw him today, I was happy being with him just as much as I am whenever we hang out.
Basically I’m trying to reach a compromise between my head and my heart, because if I go strictly with my head, my emotions will keep bothering me, but if I listen solely to my heart, I might drown out some obvious things around me because of how emotional I can become. Instead of picking either one, I’m hoping to find a logical but reasonable solution that will satisfy both sides. I just hope that my feelings can start to turn around from here. But I’m very glad with how the conversation turned out… he wasn’t mad at all, if only a bit scared I was breaking up with him, but he felt relieved I think when he finally knew what was bothering me. He’s willing to work on it with me for the better and he’s not trying to force me to stay, either.
In the end I think things will get better from here… I think I’ll be able to find a solution, and if we agree on it, then that’s that.
Thank you so much for your help in all of this, I really appreciate it!-Isra
August 3, 2016 at 7:13 am #111418AnonymousGuestDear Isra:
Still impressed by you, by your good thinking, maturity and I am impressed by your boyfriend’s participation in the exchange you described. Congratulations for bringing up the topic, finally.
Obviously you are emotionally attached to him- this is evident. This is why you cried and then felt calmer when he hugged you. And obviously, he is emotionally attached to you. There is also mutual respect between the two of you, honestly and no manipulative talk/ behavior I could detect.
I think the best thing for you to do is, now that you started the conversation, keep it going. Don’t go back to being alone with your conflicting feelings/ thinking- keep talking to him. Let him comfort you when you are distressed and comfort him when he is distressed. Have your own- and his best interest in mind- make it a Win-Win relationship. If you have to lose so to make it a win for him, it would be a Lose-Win Relationship for a while before it becomes a Lose-Lose. If in the future you decide to end the relationship, and you feel confident that it is the right choice for you, then it will be a Win for him too, in the long run, following the initial pain.
You decided to keep the relationship going. For the benefit of the two of you and of the relationship, keep communicating, keep the communication open on both sides. This is the best way to go. Post anytime.
anita
August 3, 2016 at 10:05 pm #111476IsraParticipantI will definitely try to keep the conversation going. What I ended up doing before was often apologizing for my behavior and getting upset with myself for being so emotional at times, but I realize that it won’t help anything to keep doing that. It’s like apologizing for being myself, and that’s not what I should be doing.
Now, I did attempt to strike up conversation tonight with him about it, but he went to bed for swim practice in the morning, so I decided that I will wait until morning to send him a message that I worked on all day today. It basically states my current decision on staying in the relationship but that there are some things that need changing.However, in doing so I’ve come to realize that maybe I’m losing myself too much in this relationship, and maybe that has created a lot of the anxiety that I feel. That is something I’ll have to work on, but I’m not entirely sure how to get started. I’ve wasted so much time worrying about the future and throwing myself pity parties due to the fact I’m a rather odd individual with different values than most, so often times I think I fear any relationship I have will end in failure.
I think deep down I have a fear that, inevitably, I will never find the right person for me, or that I’m better off flying solo. And perhaps that is the root for this entire thing: all the anxiety, the downfalls, the raging of emotions.To be clearer, I had finally managed to rid myself of my depression and anxiety after a few months worth of therapy sessions just last summer. I’ve been a year clear for depression. But I found that as soon as I started dating him, my anxiety came back just as strong as it’s ever been. I really value independence and freedom, so the idea of having to compromise any of my dreams is not appealing at all, which has led me to feel like I’m selfish to some extent. Lately I’ve even been struggling to enjoy the things I usually do, simple things like researching or even just watching anime shows. I end up feeling guilty for things that used to bring me such joy and made me feel creative and free-spirited.
You’ve already helped so much, so I hate to drag this on even longer, but you’ve been the most help to me in all of this… so I’m wondering if you might have any ideas or opinions on these feelings as well? Is it selfish to want to put myself first right now, at the height of my educational life and dreams? I don’t devalue the relationship, but I don’t want it to become the center of my world right now. I’m not sure how to find a balance between putting energy into the relationship and also being the confident, free-spirited young woman I had finally started to be right before we started dating… I want to bring that version of me back.
-Isra
August 3, 2016 at 10:59 pm #111479j.coleman07ParticipantHey,
Sorry to hear about this, I know what it’s like.At the end of the day, it always comes down to one thing: you should be doing what makes you happy. Don’t stay in a relationship because you think it will eventually get better- know your worth, and move on.
Talking things through with him, face to face, could really help untie some knots that are holding you down. I think that expressing yourself to him and hearing his side of the story will help you. If he loves you, he will surely understand. People who love you want you to be happy, and there are no exceptions.
I think that it is absolutely not selfish to put yourself first. Don’t feel guilty for doing what’s best for you. You are the only one you can truly count on, regardless of where you are in life and who is in it for the time being. It is absolutely important to take care of yourself first.
Never, ever loose your sense of individuality. It sounds, to me, like you are loosing self-respect by being in such a relationship with him. Don’t pay for things with self-respect. Know you are amazing and beautiful, inside and out. If he is holding you back from happiness, it’s time to solve the issues, or just move on from the relationship. A woman is unstoppable once she realizes she deserves better. Empower yourself, and know that better things are always on the way. Ending something that it toxic for your life will make way for better, greater things.
Sorry I kept it so short and didn’t answer nearly all of the questions, but I really hope this helps. I’m sorry if this was too forward but it is very heartfelt.
-J
August 4, 2016 at 7:42 am #111498AnonymousGuestDear Isra:
If I was helpful to you, I would like to help you more, for as long as it takes.
Your last few lines in your last post are: “I’m not sure how to find a balance between putting energy into the relationship and also being the confident, free-spirited young woman I had finally started to be right before we started dating.”
You put it as an Either this OR that thing: either you are in a relationship OR you are confident, free spirited. This, I believe is not because there is something wrong with the guy or the relationship itself, or because the two of you have different goals but because in your relationship with any one or both of your parents, you had to put aside your free spiritedness, your needs so to please the parent.
You needed the parent and you still need attachment to another, a relationship but the cost you paid then is still the cost you automatically pay, and so you struggle.
Can you imagine that a relationship would encourage your confidence and free spiritedness, refreshing you, energizing you instead of exhausting you, worrying you..?
It could be the case, if your early experience with attachment was such.
I will wait for your response, and if you’d like, I am interested in communicating with you about this for as long as you’d like.
anita
August 4, 2016 at 9:17 am #111513IsraParticipant@j.coleman07 – Thank you for your reply (= Don’t worry about the length of your response, I found it to be very helpful, and I appreciate any time someone takes to help me out with my thoughts (they can be quite chaotic!) I do agree that I feel like my individuality has been drowned out, but it is my fault for letting that become the case, so I’m going to work on resolving my internal issues and being able to express myself and maintain a sense of where I want to go without letting this relationship become a part of that picture.
I’m okay with staying with him right now logically, and my emotions will cooperate given I can just be myself again and enjoy my life outside of the relationship. I think I accidentally started to place him and the whole thing in the center of my world, and it’s caused me to forget who I am and where I’m heading in my life.~*~
@anita – (Sorry for the message length! >_< )I suppose it is an interesting note that I put it as an Either/Or statement… that was not my intention, but it has made me think that maybe I feel like having a relationship means I automatically have to sacrifice some parts of myself.
I can definitely imagine having a relationship that would do those things instead of me constantly worrying, though it is my fault for being an over-thinker. Of course I feel like any successful relationship would require me to work on or change certain parts of myself, because without compromise, the chances of me finding someone who would go along with my boundaries are extremely unlikely.
(i.e. The whole child-free mindset, along with being asexual, so my physical boundaries are very tight and I don’t see those changing no matter how ‘comfortable’ I get with someone, contrary to what everyone likes to tell me… it’s frustrating being the only one who doesn’t want those things, because I don’t see the point.)I can’t remember much from my childhood, but what I can say is that starting in middle school and for five years afterwards, I gave up my free-spirited nature completely. After some degree of emotional abuse and depression, I stopped doing what I wanted to do and spent my time dwelling on the negatives and driving myself into the dark. All of the things I enjoyed and the things I felt led people to make me an outsider. I stopped caring, and I stopped having dreams at all. I even stopped having friends.
After my therapy, I did a full circle and found hope for my future, creating an image that I hold dear to my heart. I feel like I am not willing to compromise any of that for a relationship, as I am determined to live a life that makes me nothing but happy and able to do the things I’ve always wanted, and if someone does not fit in with that picture and accept who I am (boundaries and all), then I can’t see myself ever ending up with someone.
But I’ve been calling myself extremely selfish lately for this. I can’t make an entire relationship revolve around me and my wishes, which is why I always think he would be better off with someone else in the long run. Though I feel guilty for not wanting to change the way I am, another part of me tries to reason that I shouldn’t have to change… I don’t know whether to be glad that I don’t want to change myself or frustrated because unless I change, I can’t possibly be right for anyone, now or in the future.
I can say with some degree of certainty that if I never changed, and he decided he wasn’t okay with where things were, he could leave, and I wouldn’t be upset. And I would be fine staying the way I was until the day I died. I would wait for the kind of love I’ve imagined, and if it’s a hopeless love that can’t be found, then I feel like I will be just fine never having it at all.
(By staying the way I am, I mean hoping for the kind of love that lets me be myself completely, without feeling the pressure to change who I am or do things I’m not comfortable with. High standards… probably.)In the end I’m not even sure what to think of myself, let alone where to go from here. It’s so confusing to be torn between feeling happy because I have a good idea of who I am and what I want to do in my life, or upset and guilty because I’m so stubborn and don’t want to sacrifice any of it for someone else… sometimes I feel like I should not expect myself to ever end up with someone, even though a small part of me constantly hopes that somewhere out there is a guy who feels the same way I do about the important things.
I like to pretend that somewhere out there is a guy who cares and would love me unconditionally. But I find that so hard to believe.
-Isra
PS: Sorry that I write so much, but writing like this is the best way for me to express my thoughts. I’m better with written words than spoken words. I get carried away.
August 4, 2016 at 9:32 am #111517AnonymousGuestDear Isra:
Would like to read your latest reply attentively and will be able to do so later in the day, could be as long as ten hours from now. Will reply then.
anita
August 4, 2016 at 8:30 pm #111549AnonymousGuestDear Isra:
You asked: “Is it selfish to want to put myself first right now, at the height of my educational life and dreams?”
Absolutely not: it is not at all selfish of you to put yourself first right now and for as long as you live, always first.
It is not alright for you to sacrifice yourself, your values, your dreams for anyone at all. If and when you become a mother, this will be re-visited, the sacrifice part. But even then you will need to put yourself first.
At this point it may not be a good idea for you to be in a relationship with a guy at all. It is taking too much out of you. Maybe later in your life, later in your twenties, you can invest in a relationship. Maybe after more therapy. Not now.
Regarding your boyfriend, since you decided to still have a relationship with him, talk with him about ways to make this relationship so that it doesn’t burden you. Your main responsibility now and always is to yourself, to promote your own physical and mental well being. Do whatever it takes to take good care of yourself.
No one is worth you sacrificing your well being. Sacrificing yourself for a guy, for a relationship with a person is very wrong. Please don’t do it. Any person who loves you will NOT want you to sacrifice yourself for him.
So I am suggesting make the rules with him so that a relationship with him works for you and not against you. If it is not possible, end the relationship. Hope you post again.
anita
August 5, 2016 at 9:50 am #111592IsraParticipantThank you again for the help. I guess the thing I forget as that some things are able to be compromised. I keep forgetting that compromise-able things are the things we want, not really the things we need. Not changing the things I need/my comfort zones is not selfish of me and any guy I end up with needs to respect that or find someone else.
It is indeed taking a lot out of me, but I believe it’s only because I have let it go this far… I let this happen. And now it’s my turn to fix it. I will take care of myself starting with not beating myself up for having the needs that I do. If I am different, that doesn’t mean I have to change to go with the majority of people I’ll ever meet… that is the last thing I should ever want to do.
I believe what I’m going to do now is lay down the line for him and just give him the facts that I currently interpret, both about myself and the relationship as a whole. He has agreed to look at some things I wrote down and hopefully it will sink in that he shouldn’t be waiting for me to change, just as I am not waiting for him to change. If he is alright with that, we will re-evaluate where we are before college starts and determine whether to end it or go through with long distance. If the relationship still isn’t strong enough by then, I will have to end it.
Also, so that I do not hurt myself further, I will keep track of my emotions over the course of the next month. If I do not feel any better about doing this, I will leave. If I do start to feel better, then I’ll know I made the right choice. I think it will be a win-win either way. (At least I’ll know I didn’t give up from the start.)
Thank you again for your help in all of this. Today is my birthday, so I’m leaving these worries to rest and carrying on with my life now. I’ve dwelled over these things for far too long and I think it’s about high time I crawled out of the shell I built up.
-Isra
August 5, 2016 at 10:19 am #111593AnonymousGuestHappy Birthday!
Good thinking. Take good care of yourself.
Every emotion you have has a valid, understandable message for you. None of your emotions are other-wordly, weird, making you anything other than a human being. Listen to your emotions, figure the valid messages and incorporate these messages into the rest of your thinking.
Post anytime.
And again, H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y !!!
anita
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