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  • #224823
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    Basically back at the beginning of January I met a slightly older woman and we kind of hit it off, I’m 38 by the way. Well to cut a long story short, I was seeing her quite intensely… I don’t really know how to describe the relationship as we weren’t boyfriend/girlfriend but it was a lot more than friends with benefits. She’s 45, three kids and just divorced although she’s still living with her ex-husband – they been separated for 18 months now, have separate rooms and the house is up for sale although taking forever to sell but they are also trying to make it easy on their kids.

    Anyway so the story is that from January to May we were seeing each other pretty intensely, almost every night and we even went away for Valentines Day and her birthday. When we weren’t together it was whatsapp 24/7. Everything was going good but at the end of April she started saying things like she felt she was holding me back from meeting someone my own age and possibly having a family of my own, I told her to stop overthinking but she was adamant that we should take a break. So we went for three weeks in May without any contact, I got back in touch with her and we chatted a bit and she dropped the bombshell that she had started seeing someone. It hit me quite hard and I went a week feeling bad in all honesty and eventually messaged her a long winded message saying I wanted her to be happy and couldn’t do the friend thing. I then blocked her and deleted her from FB. Kept her blocked for about a week before messaging her just before I went on holiday for a few days saying I had fallen for her, wanted to be with her, didn’t care about the complications, baggage, etc, etc. It was all true.

    We then arranged to meet up when I got back and went for a meal and to the cinema at the beginning of June, I fully expected us to just be friends and she was going to let me down gently after having sent that message but in the cinema she held my hand and then afterwards we went back to mine. I thought we were back together. I asked her about the guy she had been seeing and she said it was over and nothing, was just a couple of dates. A couple of days later she was working in another part of town and her company put her up so I went to stay over at the hotel she had been put up in and we went out in the evening, the entire night she seemed really distracted and was on whatsapp a lot, almost every opportunity she had like when I went to the bar or the toilet. I called her up on it and she said it was nothing. We saw each other a few other times in June but it was constantly on my mind.

    I had also noticed that she wasn’t messaging me anywhere as near as much as when we first got together and it sounds a bit stalkery but everytime I went on Whatsapp I could see she was online, I’d message her and even though she was online it would take sometimes an hour to respond and it felt like someone was more her priority. Throughout most of June it just felt like I was making all the effort to message her and it was a chore to her. She also kept going out with her friends on a Friday or Saturday night rather than see me. Then I noticed one time when she came over to mine and we were on the sofa watching tv but she then went on whatsapp, a few times she leaned forward so I wouldn’t be able to see who she was messaging. I caught a glimpse of her whatsapp and there was 4 numbers there where she hadn’t saved them as a contact so instead of a name you just see +4479 and then the rest of the number. I’m assuming now these were guys who had given her their numbers on nights out or something along those lines.

    This was massively bugging me so a few days after that I sent her a long message asking what was going on and if she was in an emotional relationship with someone else and she wrote back saying that she wasn’t seeing anyone but in a roundabout way was keeping her options open – she’s always maintained that long term she needs someone her own age and who also has kids. I didn’t really know what to think and she said can we just keep things casual. I didn’t really want to but kind of agreed but she kept coming up with excuses whereby she couldn’t see me.

    We met up for a drink two month ago and spoke a bit about it and she asked if it were possible for us just to be friends. I told her I don’t think I can and said I obviously want more, told her to sleep on it and the next night she sent me a message saying: “Rich sorry but gonna take a break I’m sorry don’t worry I won’t block you as we can still stay in touch x things are different in not feeling it anymore x sorry x”. I asked if there was someone else and she replied with “Of course I meet people when I go out I suppose i won’t know what I’m looking for until it hits me”. The final message she sent read “I suppose I just need to fancy someone more please don’t feel bad I know you have tried harder lately buts it’s not enough sorry”.

    And that’s it really, I didn’t reply to that and haven’t contacted her since – 60 days no contact today actually. She messaged me the night after ending it with ‘You ok?’ and I didn’t reply and two weeks after that tried to reach out if you can call it that by challenging me to a game of Words with Friends on Facebook, again I ignored and deleted her as a Facebook friend a few days after that. Going through a second break up with her in the space of a few months and it sucks a bit I suppose.

    I feel better than I did in the immediate couple of weeks after but am still struggling, I think about her all the time and wonder each day if today might be the day she gets back in touch but I think she has probably moved on now that it has been a couple of months, she is probably seeing someone else too.

    #224827

    Hello,

    It seems to me that she made herself very clear. I know its very painful when you love someone and they dont love you back, sorry. She says all these things about wanting someone closer to her age and with kids and its probably true, she seems very honest. But if she has fallen for you the way you did for her, all these wouldn’t be an issue. You know when you are drawn to someone these kinda logical things never comes to your mind, I guess it’s just not the issue on her case. It seems like it doesnt matter if she is seeing someone or not, the matter is you are not on the same level of interest. I believe I’m in a similar kind of pain right now, so i feel you.

    I wish you best of luck.

    #224847
    Anonymous
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    Thank you, I know you are right. I guess it’s the hardest breakup I’ve ever gone through despite it not being that long a relationship.
    I guess what got me so attached was how she lovebombed me – she showered me with so much love, attention and affection that I couldn’t help but fall for her thinking I was her ‘one’.  Until this I wasn’t aware of rebounds which I guess I was to her following the breakdown of her marriage.
    Even in the last month before ending it she would say things like she has never felt cared for in the way that I did, that she didn’t think it was possible to have a boyfriend who was also a best friend and that I was the most amazing cuddler she had ever had.
    I know I should have walked away when she was texting other guys especially in my presence. I guess she is still rebounding all over the place at the moment and some of my friends have said she may even be going through a mid-life crisis. It probably doesn’t help that she still lives with her ex-husband so can only do casual stuff.
    End of the day though she doesn’t want to be with me so I need to move on. I’ve blocked her on most social media but as yet can’t bring myself to block her on whatsapp as I just don’t want to close the door completely on her possibly reaching out although I think I may have to in order to move on – I still keep wondering everyday if today might be the day she does reach out which is probably holding me back from moving on.

    #224993
    Anonymous
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    Dear Richard:

    At the end of April “she started saying things like she felt she was holding me back from meeting someone my own age”- that was dishonest on her part. The truth was that “she had started seeing someone”. Then she communicated with other men while being on a date with you, hiding those from you. That was dishonest. There were other statements she made to you that don’t ring honest to me.

    As you “keep wondering everyday if today might be the day she does reach out”, remember her dishonestly and challenge what she says to you, if she does reach out.

    I understand that she showered you with so much love for a while and I do hope that you accept her love to have been time limited and that you move on.

    anita

    #225083
    Anonymous
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    Hi Anita,

    Thanks so much for the compassionate reply.

    I know that what you say is 100% correct and I can point to other times during the relationship, even in the first four months, where she essentially treated me badly that perhaps I glazed over. Flirting heavily with other guys on nights out and that type of thing – I actually now wonder if she met the guy she started seeing/texting back in April that led to our first break on a night out with me as there was one time she was flirting so much with another guy in front of me that I had to leave the bar we were in, it was a week later when she suggested taking a break and it makes me wonder if he gave her his number that night and she wanted to explore that.

    She is obviously looking for lots of attention and wanting to feel attractive at the moment and has no concept of loyalty – maybe she is very insecure and just a complete mess following the divorce? She doesn’t even seem to mind at the moment who is giving the attention. One of the guys I know she was chatting to, I accidentally saw his name on her whatsapp and couldn’t help but look at his twitter and facebook….. he is the exact opposite to me, massive burly guy, tattoos all over (no issue with that but found it strange as his physical appearance is completely opposite to me, he’s an ex-football hooligan, 4 kids by 4 different women and his twitter was full of racism and bigotry. Obviously I didn’t tell her any of this.

    I just wondered what other statements you think might not have been very honest with me from my story?  What did you think about the way she ended it and the wording ‘needing to fancy someone more’, I keep going over that in my head.

    #225191
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Richard:

    You are welcome.

    Other statements I think may not be honest:

    1. “I asked her about the guy she had been seeing and she said it was over and nothing, was just a couple of dates“.

    2. “the entire night she seemed really distracted and was on WhatsApp a lot.. I called her up on it and she said it was nothing

    3. “I sent her a long message asking what was going on… she wrote back saying she wasn’t seeing anyone”

    Regarding your last question:

    She told you earlier, while things felt good to you, that “she has never felt cared for in the way that I did, that she didn’t think it was possible to have a boyfriend who was also a best friend and that I was the most amazing cuddler she had ever had”- this reads honest to me.

    In her breakup message to you she wrote: “Rich sorry but gonna take a break… things are different in not feeling it anymore.. I meet people when I go out I suppose I won’t know what I’m looking for until it hits me…I just need to fancy someone more”- that also reads honest to me.

    Reads to me that she did like you very much but then, she met other men and liked them too, for other reasons. She got all excited about these new possibilities, new men in her life. So she figured she will keep experimenting with different men until it hits her (her words).

    Makes me think of a child in Disneyland, enjoying one particular ride very much (your cuddling, for one) and returning to it again and again until she discovered there are other rides(someone’s tattoos and whatnot) and going there. And then there is another ride there and one more over there.

    anita

     

    #225233
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thank you Anita – it does help seeing it written down like that and I thank you for your insight.

    From what you read do you think she might reach out one day to me?  I know I shouldn’t take her back if she does as I have enough self respect not to be somebodies backup option and she did not treat me with any dignity.  I guess she might if one of the guys that she was chatting to turns out to not be what she is looking for.

    #225339
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Richard:

    You are welcome. If she reaches out to you one day, ask her why, and if she gives you an answer of the “it was nothing” kind, then do not  consider resuming a relationship with her. She better have a deeper insight about things then the dismissive it-was-nothing kind.

    If she reaches out to you, you may be emotional at that  point, maybe you would be lonely. When we are under the influence of emotion/ loneliness, we don’t function for our best interest because we just want to feel better and soon, no matter how.

    So, if she does reach out to you, why don’t you post right here, tell me what she said to you and I will be glad to give you my input. Otherwise, you are welcome to post anytime with your thoughts, emotions and life situations.

    anita

    #225483
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thank you so much Anita, I will definitely reach out to you should she get in touch.

    #225489
    Anonymous
    Guest

    You are welcome, Richard. Do reach out anytime you want, whether she contacts you or not.

    anita

    #269471
    Anonymous
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    Well despite doing so much better over the last few weeks and months, I did something I shouldn’t have done out of curiosity and had a look at her Facebook page.

    I saw a photo of her with another guy from a month, or so ago, they are quite clearly a couple, and it must be pretty serious as she had gone on holiday to the Caribbean with him along with her kids.

    I assume they would have got together fairly soon after we broke up like four months would be a fairly short amount of time to introduce a new partner to your children, let alone go on holiday with them I would have thought.

    Anyway, I am still doing ok, guess I’m just a little sad about it. In a way, it might help me get the closure I’ve needed as she’s clearly moved on and isn’t coming back.

    #269481
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Richard:

    Glad you posted again with an update. I understand you are feeling sad  about what you saw on Facebook. Maybe it will help you move on. This is a fairly new discovery, in the last day or so? It may take time to adjust to it. Take it easy and be gentle with yourself, and post again anytime it may help you to express yourself. I will be back to the computer in about sixteen hours and if you post again,  I will read  and reply to you then.

    anita

    #269483
    Anonymous
    Guest

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    #269491
    Anonymous
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    Thanks, Anita for taking the time to respond, it does help. I just saw it on Facebook a couple of days ago so it did hit me for six really, it probably is for the best that I did see it though.  I do know that I’m taking much longer than I really should get over her, it’s just my nature really, and I am such an over-analyzer.

    Relationships that are important to me mean so much and this one, despite only being a short-lived thing, really did mean a lot to me, I’ll be honest and say it was the first time I have truly been in love with someone. I think the way it all ended and how it came about did hit me for six, being love-bombed at the beginning probably didn’t help matters as did getting back together with her after I completely put myself out there telling her exactly how I felt about her.

    I know she did give me many hints that to her it was just a fling that she wanted but alongside those was the overwhelming affection and attention she gave to me. It made me think that she did see me as more than that.

    Also, some of the words she used made me feel she did want it to be more than that and that even though I knew she was messaging other guys that I had a chance to ‘win’ her so to speak as I felt she couldn’t decide between me and whoever else was on the scene.

    I do think another reason I haven’t been able to move on from it as quickly as I’d like is the fact that I had no closure. Yes, I knew she was messaging others, but the way she abruptly ended it meant I didn’t fully know the reasons, all I had was my suspicions. There was always the wondering that she might not have met anyone or found out the grass wasn’t greener so might have reached out to me again. Seeing the photo of her with the new guy on holiday, I think it helps confirm my suspicions were all true, and she has moved on herself.

    I do think she didn’t fully break up with him back in June when we got back together, or he did come back in that period. She strung me along in that time as perhaps she did really like me and didn’t want to let me go either. Her agenda that she wanted someone who was closer to her age and also had kids probably swung things in his favor in the end though. I guess what hurts now is not the fact that I am not with her, but the speed in which she was able to move on from me and seemingly get into a new and serious relationship with such ease and that is the likely reason she hasn’t reached out to me at all since ending it.

    Of course, I want her and her kids to be happy, but I guess it also hurts that I meant so little to her and that our relationship was just a fling to her. I know it’s only Facebook, but it stung seeing her on holiday with him as she has moved this relationship on very quickly for him to not only have met her kids but going abroad with them too. One of the reasons she cooled things with me was that she told me her eldest daughter was having a hard time with the divorce and introducing them to a new man after only a few months may mean she lied to me about that and used it as an excuse.

    I also wonder if the money factor came into play a bit too which is why she has sped this relationship along fairly quickly as the first thought that came to mind was that he was well off. I know that I wouldn’t have been able to offer her the kind of life that she had with her ex-husband financially. They were selling their six bedroom house for over a million and let’s say she lived an extremely upper-middle-class life. When I first met her, I was amazed she was with me considering the life she was used to money wise. The reason she ended things with her ex-husband was that the marriage became loveless and sexless.

    She told me she was with him because of the life he was able to provide for her and her kids, but it wasn’t enough in the end. I wonder if she has fallen into the same trap of getting together with someone for the money side of it and that relationship will also go the same way. I often find successful, rich people are very career driven, and they neglect their relationships so when the honeymoon phase of this relationship wears off, he might too be that sort of guy. Not intending to sound wishful thinking with that, I genuinely care for her and hope it doesn’t go that way as I do want her to find someone who can make her happy.

    My friends think that this also might be one of the reasons she has not reached out, that she was swayed by the money side and she might feel ashamed that she did choose the guy with money rather than personal values hence going completely no contact. Perhaps though this guy has been on the scene for longer anyway, hence she wasn’t worried about introducing her to her kids, for all I know he has been in the background for years and is the reason her marriage eventually ended. I guess these are things I’ll never know.

    Through therapy I have also learnt about attachment types and I have an anxious attachment type which is why I was so triggered by the way she acted in the final month and why it’s taking me so long to move on. I also think she had an avoidant attachment type so when things get serious she withdraws. It would also explain why she is able to bury any feelings with such ease and bottle them away. Avoidant attachments also rarely reach out unless something happens that brings feelings back up, usually something stressful such as another relationship ending.

    #269639
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Richard:

    Seems like financial considerations and less than full disclosure were part of what took place. Less than full disclosure is most troublesome but not  uncommon in relationships. So people come up with excuses that read more palatable than the truth, less disagreeable to the other person. 

    I was  wondering, you wrote: “it was the first time I have truly been in love with someone”- how did you manage not to feel truly in love with a woman before, being 38 now?

    anita

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