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  • #54863
    Paul
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    i am married and a year or so ago a single woman with whom i was friendly at work, left the company and asked to stay in touch. she was always flirty and soon enough her texts got quite flirty. while i enjoyed them, i realized at some point i was too involved so i suggested we avoid flirty topics – even told her i found her very attractive and would date her if i wasn’t married but we shouldn’t flirt. a few weeks later she texted again – all very clean but it wasn’t long until we got onto flirty ground again with me leading the charge. then, i developed a crush on her during a period of tremendous work and home stress (my wife and i get on fine we just hit a ground where finances got rough) and i went too far by personalizing the flirty (as in talking about her body) and i sent a text i meant to be cleaver, while realizing how naughty it was, and right after i sent it i realized how far off base i was. I started texting to see if she was ok – should have apologized more right off the bat but i think i didn’t want to appear prudish (that was how i felt after i suggested we tone things down the first time). it was days until she responded but ultimately she said we can’t be friends and we haven’t talked since. I am in a world of hurt b/c i made a woman i cared for so uncomfortable she had to end contact. i sent her a long email a month after explaining (not excusing) my behavior – i did not ask forgiveness and even suggested, as she had, that we not be friends. In reality, i want her forgiveness and i want to try to be regular friends again as we once were. not sure if she will be receptive but i am finding i need it to help me forgive myself (which i am finding hard to do) – i am not a creep – actually am gentleman – and feel our friendship deserves another attempt – i struggle with what is in it for her….not sure what to do

    #54868
    Matt
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    Paul,

    I’m sorry for your uncomfortable feelings, and can empathize with how our mistakes can trouble us. Sometimes we get allured by sidetracks, new and sparkly over tried and true. Its really just a matter of impatience, but it blossoms into a lot more as we step further and further away from our sense of right. A few things came to heart as I read your words.

    Consider that forgiving here is going to have to happen from within, because not all of your mistakes involve her directly. Perhaps the home life was a little shadowy, you two distracted by stresses and whatnot, feeling fear instead of lightness and faith in your mutual efforts to nourish the family, bring the bacon, and all that. So, the flirty was a little light, a blossom in a desert, and you got a little close. When too much of your attention was turned toward her, luckily she closed it down before it went further. You were on a slippery path, and its natural that you lost your footing a little. It happens.

    Consider that looking outside your marriage in that way is not the path, son, let it go. Polyamory is fine, if both are willing to walk that path together, but when we make a promise, we should do our best to honor it. Again, its normal to reach for a glass of fresh water when we become thirsty, but a fidelitous heart is important, too.

    Which brings us back to the initial thorn, the impatience. Consider that relationships cycle through phases of sun and moon. On a picnic, laughter and joy, is followed by paying bills, or some of the bills, and scratching our heads and biting our nails and so forth. The passion turns elsewhere, stress closing the “picnic field”, interrupting the dance of lovers. And we miss it, because when the music plays and we are hand in hand with our wife, what magic! We married her for a reason, two hearts joining because they wanted to. Perhaps a few more bills and wrinkles these days, but still an incredible beauty when we are looking.

    To solve the impatience, consider resigning, repenting, by simply bringing home the life you wish you had. Said differently, if you can see how the flirty texts brought some needed freshness to your step, accept that need is real, and try to inspire it at home. Flirt with your wife. She might have walls of stress or fear between herself and her inner flirt, but you know her tender spots, what brings her happiness, so use your knowledge to wake her up. Capture her attention, fill her view with blossoms and cards and smiles and kisses. You want to do that, or it being missing wouldn’t have driven you away from your promise.

    Then, be patient. Perhaps the first bouquet won’t bring out her playful spirit, perhaps not the surprise kisses on the back of her neck. It might take a dozen, or thirty… but let it be your quest, proof to yourself, Gaia, and your wife, that you can be patient while you wait for the sun to come up. Said differently, perhaps you can accept you have a need for playfulness, but instead of outside, grow it inside.

    Finally, consider that you’ve been given a valuable lesson in certain, slippery, paths, so to speak. Use it wisely, because it is not good to dishonor ourselves or our home. Not just because of the wife, but for yourself. You made promises, and as you work to keep those promises, less of your strength is lost in cycles of regret, isolation, and brooding. Said differently, hot stove, burnt hand, painfulness, wisdom. Right? That’s enough, let it go, get up, move on. Now, what makes your wife’s river rise? Aim there. 🙂

    Namaste, brother, may you find your oasis.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #54880
    Paul
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    thank you for the reply, Matt. you are spot-on on many topics here – the impatience angle is huge with me and i am working on that – i guess the challenge with the woman in this is she was a good friend before this and to have it cut off with no discussion between us feels rough – not to mention she is good friends with a number of people here at work so while i don’t see her, i hear of her and know others get together with her in groups i used to “belong to”….a hard lesson, indeed, and no doubt a slippery slope i was on – even if i was there alone (ie she might have been just flirting for fun) – i got to this ripe age without ever being in a situation close to this (oh sure, i mis-behaved in some relationships before but i was in my early 20s and the rules on both sides were “all is fair in love and war”) – like i said in my first post, what hurts most is that i i made a woman so uncomfortable she had to end contact

    #54885
    Matt
    Participant

    Paul,

    You’re trying to shoulder her karma, which is not for you to do. Said differently, she was flirting with you, and when it got too real, it scared her and she broke away, closed it down. Consider that she was on the same slippery slope, flirting with a married man. It wasn’t “Paul” that made her uncomfortable, it was her own conditions, choices, and so forth. Sure, her breaking off like that might have been rough, but better a rough break than a few nights of sex and many nights of regret.

    Its kind of you to feel bad you were part of her discomfort, but the deeper wound is the one to yourself, for falling into that mire. Said differently, why is it more troubling that your hooks were rejected than you tossed them out there to begin with? Be honest with yourself, and the “leaning” you were doing, the thirst that keeps your attention on her, and turn away. Or, if I’m incorrect, forgive me, I’m on your side and simply trying to help you find a more harmonious relationship with yourself and your needs.

    If you still can’t let go, consider a mantra. “I’m sorry for whatever discomfort came up between us, and as you go dance out in the world, I hope you find forgiveness and freedom.” Consider that because of the slippery slope, your desire for hearing forgiveness from her is tied into your desire to connect with her again. Perhaps one more hit isn’t what you really need?

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #54888
    Paul
    Participant

    thanks Matt. a few gems in there for me to ponder…i have considered whether i am more upset that i flirted with her in a way that was slimy or crude when i consider more suave than that…or that she didn’t feel the way i did…i am convinced i wasn’t looking for an affair, rather i wanted confirmation that she had strong feelings for me…also, the point about my desire for forgiveness is just a desire to connect again…all good things to think about…it is funny, while we flirted a fair amount, i really never thought of her beyond whatever texting we did that day…didn’t think of her while i was home or with my family…until the last week or so when i felt it very strongly while on a business trip to asia …that was begining of me pushing it too far

    #54890
    Matt
    Participant

    That makes sense to me. Not only did you have a little space away (making the mind more relaxed and open, exploring) but you were away from home, perhaps a little lonely. So, reaching out for home happened in the wrong direction. Oops! See how slippery flirting is, especially when bounadaries are not maintained? When the desire to play comes up, it naturally moves us toward the people or experiences we play with in that space… like a nagging itch, or star on the horizon, associations in the brain.

    “Wow, this is fun, who else is fun?”

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #54895
    Paul
    Participant

    thanks again – it is all “understandable” but i am sick over what i did – and if it wasn’t for the last text i sent, we still might be friends – i paused before sending it and then thought – oh it is “funny” – but less than a minute a later, i was panicked over how far astray i had gone – and i see i already said that so now i am repeating myself!! – a world of hurt here for certain – part of me feels if she took our friendship more…i don’t know…deeply…she would forgive me…or at least we would have talked about it – she sent a text a few days after the text i sent saying she accepted myapology but we should not have any contact with each other – that really hurt as it drove home what i had done

    #54904
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Thanks Matt @amatt. Just beautiful 🙂

    HI Paul

    Everything Matt has written is spot on.

    However, from the last post of yours, it seems that you are still feeling quite guilty and looking for her forgiveness. Paul, you did what you did at that time as it felt right to you then. However, with passage of time, you realised that you have lost a good mate and are upset with yourself for doing such an action. Hey, why cry over a split milk ? Can you do something to change things around ? I think you can.

    1. Pls forgive yourself. You were the one who did this. She may have instigated it in the first place but it was your action eventually. Once you are able to truly let go of your guilt, you will feel so much better. If you don’t, the guilt will help create bad hormones in your body and lead to all sorts of physical, emotional and mental problems at some point of time – do you really want that, mate ?

    2. Pls learn to accept yourself as you are. You have needs and desires and one of them made you astray. Whats the big deal ? Atleast you realised your mistake. Some people don’t ever do that and keep creating negative Karmic (action) cycle and then ask, Why me, why that etc.

    3. Be kind to yourself, Paul. Show respect for your inner being who was longing for some different type of companionship at that time. Maybe this is an opportunity for you to openly communicate with your wife and let her know how you felt and what you did. I am sure if you did it with the right intention, she will understand (Pls don’t make her feel that she was the cause of this action as she wasn’t despite your differences on finances). This will be a stepping stone for a stronger relationship between you and your wife and hopefully, will keep you away from such actions in the future. We do certain actions when our needs are not met. If we can meet them in our existing relationships with communication, love and acceptance, we wont have to look outside.

    4. Don’t expect forgiveness from others. You did an action of asking for forgiveness, which is great. Leave it at that. Other peoples reactions and actions are not under our control. They will forgive, love and accept when they wish to. Some may choose not to but they are only harming themselves with that negativity and not others. Can you read this sentence again, pls.

    Why don’t you try out the Metta Meditation that Matt usually suggests to other members by Sharon Salzberg. I think it will bring a lot to peace to your grieving heart. Another way to forgive yourself is to make a meal or buy some groceries and donate it to the needy in your area such as women’s refuge, homeless shelter etc. When you make a food donation, it creates a lot of positivity and will help to bring light in your heart and I can vouch for that.

    Loads of positive energy coming your way. I know you will be fine soon enough and life will unfold beautifully from now on.

    Jasmine

    #54967
    Paul
    Participant

    Nice note, Jasmine-3. Thank you for your insights. I am working on all that – just a hard road for me – a mutual friend of mine and “the other woman” – is surprised how hard i am taking this and sees much blame on the other woman so i take some solace in her view – regarding sharing with my wife, in an ideal world i would, but i fear the ding on her self-confidence even though, as you say, she was not the casue of my actions (there is a certain irony in that for most of the time i was flirting elsewhere, my wife and i enjoyed a stronger connection – now since i am in this world of hurt, i find it hard to be close with my wife as i feel hypocritical..if that makes any sense) – life is journey – i created a huge bump for myself – following your points here should help me emerge stronger

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