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  • #100203
    Mike
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    Hello Everyone,

    This is my first post and to be honest I am not quite sure where to begin. First of all though I have no problems expressing myself or my feelings. I do however have a problem keeping it all in order so if this comes out all backwards or mixed up I apologize in advance.

    I am a 46 year old male. I would like to consider myself a strong individual especially when it comes to mental aspects. What I mean by that is I have a high tolerance for emotional stress and pain. I know that it is not healthy to keep such things hidden inside but from past experiences I have learned to keep my feelings buried deep inside. My reason for this is because every time I let my feelings out and share them they have 90% of the time used against me or I have been ridiculed for feeling the way I do.

    I have always been a deep thinker. Because of my time devoted to thought I more or less have become the person every one comes to with problems or issues. I enjoy this very much and in many ways I feel very honored to listen and help. I am very cautious with what ever advice that I may give. I do my best to remind those who I speak with to take what I say with a grain of salt. Use what you can or will and I hope that it helps. I can’t stand when others try to pound there philosophies down some one else’s throat. I have always felt listening, understanding and accepting to be the best way to help another person… Though I am not a religious person… Judge not least Ye be judged or how ever it goes.

    I have always wished that I could find someone who views things as openly as I and that does not judge another for the way they feel and deal with things.

    I have recently hit rock bottom. I have lost my job last November. I was a member of management in retail. I have been doing this for 20 years but after being fired for theft that line of work is over now. There were many things that led me to that point. For times sake and the expense of the eyes reading this I won’t go into detail. There were relationship issues and many work related issues that got me to my moment of brilliance. I blame no one for what I have done as it was me and me alone who did it.

    With loosing the job I have lost everything else associated with it. Apartment, credit cards, etc and my truck will be gone the beginning of next month. I am currently staying with a friend and still have my iPad hence this post. I have been a depressed person for a very long time but I have hidden it quite well for many years. I am not suicidal by any means. Though I won’t take my own life I often question it.

    I have seen many things throughout my life. I am quite certain that others have seen more than I can possibly imagine. My state of mind now has become diluted. I have grown sick of the way people treat each other. I’ve grown tired of the games and lies and the general dishonesty that others try to push off on people. In a nut shell I have given up.

    I have never wanted fame, fortune or glory from life. The one true thing that I have sought is love. I have always wanted a family and someone to come home to every day. I have never been married, never had a love that has lasted and I have come to the point where I am placing that dream on a shelf. I have come to believe from experience that it is no longer “Until death do us part” rather now it has become “Until something better comes along”

    Since my fall from grace I have tried speaking with many people about a great many things. This is something I normally do not do because it is always spun back on me or used against me. I would much sooner bottle it up inside than have it smeared into my face. I feel bad enough for the things I have done, I don’t need to be chastised for it. Though my actions in what I have done does not prove it… I am a adult.

    I have fallen many times in my life and have always managed to pick myself up. This time around I am not so sure. In so many ways I have become an introvert. I am not crazy being around others and I am less interested in what it is they have to say. I am thinking of just walking away now. My prospects for work are more or less nonexistent. I am beyond in debt and just don’t see much hope let alone a future.

    We I’m going to stop here because I have typed out a small novel here. I would appreciate any and all feed back as this is a first for me. If you have questions please ask and I will answer.

    Thank you for reading this.

    #100208
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear foolish1:

    At 46, nine years ago, I was in a similar position to yours. I gave up. I thought I would never get married, that it would be a miracle if I did. I couldn’t even imagine a good relationship with a man, let alone getting married. I had an extremely unsatisfactory job with no future.

    At 50 I started my first good psychotherapy and have been on what I call The Healing Path for five years and going.

    There is more I can share with you, way more. But similar to you feeling apprehensive about sharing your feelings and situation for fear of judgment and people using what you share against you, I feel silly sharing more and never hear again from the person I opened up to. It happened on this forum. So I learned to share just a little and if the communication continues, then maybe I will share more, over time.

    I don’t know what input to give you about your situation more than I felt it was over for me…and it wasn’t.

    You invited the reader to ask you questions, well here are a couple:

    How was the information you shared about your feelings used against you again and again in the past?

    Before getting fired from your 20 year career in retail, how did you feel about it, about the job itself and your co workers? Did you want out? Were you tired of it?

    anita

    #100217
    Mike
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    Thank you so much for responding. I understand what you are saying by it wasn’t over. I have been told this many times and I do understand that anything is possible and that anything can happen.

    I am a very funny person when it comes to speaking or writing. I try my best to choose my words wisely, not to mention I try to think how I would feel if I were the one reading them. I have always been cautious of others feelings, at times more than my own.

    To answer your questions:

    I have been told I think to much and I have been called mentally unstable because of it. I understand things can be over thought. One thing life has taught me is that many don’t think enough and speak or write hastily. I expressed my feelings of thought to another person and that was one of the responses I received.

    I have been cheated on in my past. I expressed after time with being with a person what took place, how it took place and what it did to me. One person I was with for 2 years I caught cheating on me and I went so far as to send her a picture of her car in his parking lot. I explained how in my relations before her which lasted 8 years how I finally caught her. After being with her for 8 years I tried to move past it. I am not one to quit so easily.
    After I had sent the picture, got in to an argument etc she turned around and said. You must have really loved her because you caught her and gave her a chance. I was not alone with the person who you saw my car by but you won’t give me a chance… Long story short.. I did and it failed

    There are many other examples I could give but I’m feeling a bit strange airing out my laundry out here. Perhaps in time I won’t feel as such but for now I hope you understand. It’s not only feelings but it is my words as well.

    As far as retail is concerned… 20 years in management is a long time, especially in retail. I enjoyed my co workers below me. I was the one they always came to with any issues or problems. I guess in many ways it was because of them I lasted as long as I did.

    I am glad to be out of it to be honest with you. I have grown very tired of trying to do the jobs of 10 people with 4 people and constantly be asked or expected to send one of the four home. I won’t pull the soap box out any more than that =)

    Hope that answers the questions for you. I’m happy to be out of retail but I don’t have much else to fall back on to. I grew up in a inner city where a high school diploma was the dream… If you made it to college well you could own the world.

    Unfortunately I do not have either. It has never been a problem but now things have changed so much. Lol there isn’t even a paper application any more these days like it was when we were growing up. Everything has become so faceless now. The other thing life has taught me is that a majority of the time it’s not what you know but who you know.

    As far as your fear is concerned Anita. If you wish to converse I am here. It doesn’t have to be your feelings or demons if you will.

    #100237
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear foolish1:

    I suppose both of us are somewhat cautious. I used to be way more cautious than I am, overthinking my words, the words I was about to say and the words I just said, scanning in my brain for possibilities I would be misunderstood and attacked somehow for what I have said… or felt, as expressed in what I said and how I said it.

    Part of my healing is being more spontaneous, saying it like it is, or here, typing it like it is. This is where this public forum here has been and is very helpful to me. My fear about being discredited, argued with, invalidated has lessened over the months.

    I read your answers and understand some of your challenges. You don’t have a high school or college diplomas/ degrees, no experience of work outside retail, I understand, and a theft record from your last job that every future employer will have access to. Am I correct?

    If so, this is a tough situation. What are you thinking of doing? Ideas, plans about where to live, how to live…?

    anita

    #100255
    Mike
    Participant

    Good morning Anita,

    I was not convicted or charged in the theft. However once you are fired for theft your name is placed in a database that is shared by retailers. Once your name is on that list it is save to say you are done in retail for the next 7 years regardless of circumstances.

    It is a long story but prior to my being fired I actually resigned. I still have the letter of resignation that was sent to my district manager. My last day I was offered to go to another store. Prior to my finding out the offer is when I decided to take the item. I am not justifying my actions by any means with this next statement. I had done numerous transfers for the company which I was never paid for.

    I could have been paid for the mileage but did not want to go through 4 forms of documentation, signatures, DNA samples and the rest only to have to wait 2 to 3 weeks if I was lucky to be reimbursed. It’s funny how they trust you to take the merchandise deliver it and so on but getting paid for it takes a few weeks to get it back. This was the first company I have ever had problems with for being reimbursed for mileage. In all honesty I could have taken a few more items and would have broke even.

    Rage, anger, confusion, stress and aggravation took over and I got stupid plain and simple. I should have left when I sent the letter of resignation and been done with it not to mention not having to worry about my next line of work.

    As far as to what I am thinking of doing? Honestly I have no idea. I have never felt so drained, embarrassed and empty in my life. There are things I can do I suppose but I have no want or desire to do so. In many ways I have come to a point where I no longer care. I have fallen pretty deep so far but I haven’t hit bottom yet… 2 weeks or less and I will have hit bottom.

    I am a very proud person. I am staying with a friend now but hate every minute being there. I don’t feel it is right that some one should have to take care of me when I should be doing it myself. I have lost a couple of friends because of this for not accepting help from them. That is a whole other story though but before things went south I was reminded how I have done nothing but refuse the help that has been offered by them, how I refuse to help myself and how I should not blame others or circumstances surrounding others on my situation… That’s what honesty got me and speaking for the moment.

    Living wise… Please don’t laugh but I am honestly thinking of just going my own way and see what happens. I guess you could say a bum of sorts but I assure you I am far to proud to beg, my stealing days are over and I honestly don’t wish to be around people any longer.

    Though I am not properly educated I am smart enough to take care of myself and provide for myself. I have honestly been contemplating going down to Arizona and make a living for my self alone for a while. Maybe the time soul searching will help then again it might not. Won’t know unless I take that chance. We will see what happens.
    If I suddenly disappear you know where I am and the choice I made.

    Mike

    #100258
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mike:

    In the last line: “If I suddenly disappear…” – what do you mean? I am guessing but don’t know.

    As far as the theft, I asked you on my first reply to you how you felt about the job because I thought the act of stealing was a way for you to terminate the job because you were sick and tired of it. I may have been correct about it. You resigned first, you wanted out, but maybe you were too uncomfortable about such a direct initiative on your part and instead you gave them the power to make the choice for you..? Sort of a passive-aggressive way to express your anger and end the job instead of the assertive way of resigning?

    I like the Arizona idea if the last line does not mean what I think it may mean. You are single, no children. And so, you are free. Why not? It is only you that you need to take care of. No one holding you in any one place…

    And you can get other jobs here and there, minimal maybe, just so to physically survive, only not in retail.

    anita

    #100259
    Mike
    Participant

    If I suddenly disappear = I decided to go to Arizona… No electricity or Wifi in a backpack =)

    Yes I resigned first but second guessed myself because of my financial situation. I am a responsible person and wanted to be able to continue providing for my way of life. Yes I was very frustrated with the job. I did mention that in my prior responses as well. I wanted to get out, took the steps to get out but thought about my financial situations and listened to others about how it was wrong to leave a job with out a job.

    Yes there are jobs out there and minimal is a understatement. There is not much that I can’t do or won’t do.

    It is a bit aggravating though when you have been in my line of work and you hear how poorly the company is doing, cut backs, set backs so on and so forth… Yet her is the CEO getting a 15 million bonus??? That’s not counting the others under him. It’s amazing how this happens yet the company is doing poorly.

    Lol I’ll stop here.

    #100262
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear foolish1:

    It is mind boggling, the injustice in life, including the CEO bonuses- it is a form of legal corruption, that is how I see it. Corruption. And corruption and injustice is the norm, not the exception. This is indeed the world we live in. And then… you are punished (being on that list) for stealing a small item, while the CEO, in effect, is stealing millions and millions of dollars. Isn’t that mind boggling?

    No wonder you want to take a break from this…

    No I need to take a break from my boggled mind. Till your next post…

    anita

    #100278
    Mike
    Participant

    Yes I agree. Sadly what was once right has now become wrong and the new right is wrong. I am sure we both could sit here for hours and days about this topic. Sadly it is nothing more than venting. It won’t change or fix the problem because as you said it has now become the norm now.

    On another note I am glad that you have found a certain sense of understanding now with your life and feelings. I am sure it has not been a easy road to navigate and I admire you for persevering and continuing to try! I wish you nothing but the best and with each day that passes it becomes easier and clearer for you.

    Mike

    #100282
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear foolish1:

    No, neither you nor I can fix legal theft or illegal theft, but I will call it what it is. These outrageous bonuses are acts of theft, somehow protected by law. Like in Animal Farm, what was it that the pigs wrote as a rule: everyone is equal, only some are more equal than others.

    Thank you for what you wrote on the second paragraph!

    I started re-reading your posts here and if you would like to elaborate on the following, please do so we can discuss these things. I am assuming you want to discuss what you brought up here, on your thread:

    1. You wrote: “I have a high tolerance for emotional stress and pain.”- since when? Childhood? How?

    2. You wrote: ” I have grown sick of the way people treat each other. I’ve grown tired of the games and lies and the general dishonesty that others try to push off on people.” How were you treated by your parents? Were there games and lies you were exposed to as a child, great injustice that you suffered? Your parents suffered?

    anita

    #100288
    Mike
    Participant

    Lol okay Anita I will answer these questions but I’m going to be pulling out the soap box for these answers =)

    1. My tolerance started at the age of 21 when my mother passed away from cancer. With her passing my family basically imploded in on its self. She was the glue that kept it all together and when she left there was nothing to keep it together. I was seeing someone at the time and she was part African American and Mexican. I come from a traditional Polish / Catholic family.

    Racism is quite prevalent, You don’t mix blood. Long story short her illness took 4 years of fighting and battling before it took her life. It was hard on us all but even harder for her because she was no longer fighting for herself but for us and the family. On her death bed she had managed to write me a small letter just before she passed. In this letter she asked me to stay together as a family, to do my best to stick together and help each other. She also managed to write that she was happy that I was seeing someone but if I brought black blood into the family she would disown me forever.

    I tried honoring her wish with the family. It lasted about 6 months after her passing. My grandmother never spoke to my father again after the funeral along with many other things. I could not take the distance and squabbling any longer. I prayed and I told her that I tried to honor her wishes but the others could not. That was the end of my family life. It was my father my brother and me. Brother and father were alcoholics, father calmed the drinking down but started using drugs about a year after her passing. My brother for all I know is still drinking. Have not seen or spoken to him since 1999.

    The drugs and COPD finally took my father back in August of 2011. For the record… I do not drink. I will have the occasional beer from time to time and that’s about it. Drugs… Tried a few different things in my youth but never liked the feeling of not being in control. Haven’t touched a drug since the age of 18 or 19

    2. I was treated very well by my parents. There were no games and lies from either of them. They had a rough life it was not the Brady bunch by any means. Both parents were strict and disciplined minded. I was thought respect honor and love by them both. My father was a alcoholic and there were many fights and arguments because of it. My father never hit my mother through any of it. They were married 27 years and the only thing that separated them was her death.

    Through out all those years I was there I learned from them that you face your problems and do your best to deal with them. She never left him and he never left her. In this day and age everyone seems to want to walk away from problems and find someone else to replace those problems. There is no more working on anything as far as I am concerned and from what I have experienced. Hence my it’s no longer “Until Death Do Us Part” now it has become “Until something else better comes along.” Why work at it when you can just replace it.

    I wouldn’t say I had a perfect childhood but I do not blame my childhood or parents for anything. In fact I am very proud to be who I am and the lessons and love that they both taught and showed me.

    Hope this was a good answer for you.

    Mike

    #100292
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mike:

    As to your last line, a good answer for me is simply your honest answer, nothing more, nothing less. You wrote in an earlier post that you do your “best to choose my words wisely, not to mention I try to think how I would feel if I were the one reading them. I have always been cautious of others feelings, at times more than my own.”

    If your answer is not cautious, not too concerned with how another will feel reading it, then your answer is a good answer for me.

    I am concerned though with your concern that others use what you share against you. It is possible that when I refer to what you share here and you somehow feel threatened by my comments on what you shared, it is possible that you will think that I am using your sharing against you. The moment you believe this is the case, let me know.

    Your mother’s death wish was that you keep the family together (your father, brother, you) and at the same time she threatened to disown you posthumously? She threatened to leave you if you married the girlfriend you were with? At the same time she asked you to keep the family together.

    I am not a fan of the institution of family myself. I see fault in it again and again. I see how so very often the Family works against the Individual in it.

    You are alone now, a family of one, aren’t you? And you do wish you had a family, a person at the least to come home to. I wish you had that too. And going back to my original share with you, it is possible at your age to still make it happen. It is possible to make it happen maybe once you redefine Family, redefine what a partner means to you, what she would need to be.

    anita

    #100294
    Mike
    Participant

    My answers are always honest. I only speak truth and I always speak from the heart. My fear of my words being used against me is a much deeper subject. I value an opinion, I appreciate thought and insight and I appreciate honesty.

    My words being used and feelings being used against me is basically from discussions, debates or arguments if you will. If I am guilty of BS I will call it or respect if it is called against me.

    Others sometimes don’t like BS being called on them and it raises an automatic fight mechanism on them. When this happens people have the tendency to use what ever they can in defense and in my case it’s feelings or words.

    Don’t get me wrong I’m a big boy and I can take my licks. Feel free to say and ask what you wish. If you should offend me which you have not I will tell you nicely. If it should happen again I will simply end the conversation. I mean that in a sincere way.

    I am alone and I am a family of one. There is no one or anyone else. I know there is always time to make anything happen. As bitter as I may sound, as fearful as I have become that hope is still inside of me. Anything is possible with time and understanding.

    Though I know this… Accepting it at times is a problem. =)

    #100307
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mike:

    Thank you for explaining to me what you value and what you stand for. Sincere and assertive works for me! I am glad you still feel it is possible for you to have a the love you need in your life and would very much like it if it materializes in your life, a loving relationship with a woman. And I do hope you manages this transition you are in right now. It can be a freeing experience, being free from a job you were tired of, for one thing.

    Take good care of yourself!
    anita

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