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  • #113902
    Gina
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    I’ve recently had a falling out with a friend we’ll call R. What caused it was our other mutual friend we will call J violated my trust by telling R that id been confiding in J about my person life and only really trusted J with what I was going through. The reason being is that I feel that R is very judgmental and I have witnesses R discrediting other people we know by openly gossiping about their issues and incessantly discussing other people’s business and often shedding negative light on the subjects.

    J supposedly had already been sharing details of my issues with R and even went as far as sending screen shots of my texts I’d sometimes send seeking help as I was/have been suffering from anxiety and PTSD. J told me anytime I begin to struggle to contact them to help me through it. According to R, J was complaining about my suffering and constantly confiding in J. Maybe I put too much pressure on J but I wished J had just told me rather than share it with R. The reasons why J shared those moments with R I do not truly know and I’m very disappointed but that is a whole other issue.

    I was confronted by R recently unveiling violation of trust from J and naturally, R wanted answers. R even went as far as telling me J would be poking fun at my mishaps even calling me crazy in attempt to manipulate me so I would pull away from J. Well it worked.
    I finally told R the real reasons why I withheld and that I was sorry they felt the need to pry and play detective. No one wants to hear that they are perceived as judgmental but I didn’t know how else to explain myself and now R will not speak to me. And honestly I have been limiting my time with J. I want to know if I should apologize and if so, how do you apologize for something like this? Also, would I be able to repair these relationships, or should I let go?

    #113912
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Oh my goodness, you are not the one who ought to apologise around here.

    What did J have to say for themselves? Did they admit to sharing this info with R? Did they offer any explanation as to how that wasn’t malicious and a clearly trust-breaking thing to do? And why did R “confront” you? What did they hope to achieve with that? You can reach out to R to soften the blow of what you said, but it does sound like you were right as regarding the gossip.

    It seems like both J and R are being really immature about this. If they can see that, and if J can admit they have been a bad friend and apologise, then maybe you can still be friends.

    Do you have other friends? Do you have a therapist or other advisory person who’s helping you deal with the issues you’re facing?

    This sucks, man. Friends need to be better than this. Have you told J how hurt and disappointed you are?

    #113915
    Gina
    Participant

    Thanks for the reply monklet80. J and R are very competitive with each other and other people so I’m thinking this was a result of their competitive nature. I never thought about it until recently.

    I am seeing a therapist for my PTSD and anxiety and she has also trying to help me understand my need to apologize and show me this is not anything I’ve done wrong and to be kinder to myself. I know I hurt R’s feelings which is probably why I feel the need to say sorry. I have a great deal of empathy for both of them. I think those have to discredit others, may have something deep seeded and disapproving in themselves.

    I have told J how I feel but J tells me R was embellishing and continues to deny violating my trust to that extent. I feel J’s probably not ready to recognize their role in it and I understand. I dont want to have to maintain my friendships avoiding the elephants in the room.

    I do have other friends whom I’ve never had these sorts of issues with so I’ve been spending more time with them.

    Thank you again @monklet80, I really appreciate hearing your take on it.

    #113984
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m glad to hear this hasn’t left you completely alone. You sound like a kind an understanding person, much more mature than those two to be honest.

    Spend time with people who are good to you, and take care of yourself.

    May you be well.

    #113994
    Meg
    Participant

    You sound like you are a very evolved person. Unfortunately, R & J may not be quite as evolved or empathetic… just yet.

    J should never have betrayed your trust and spoke to R about your personal issues. Regardless of how embellished R may have made it sound. If this is to be addressed again with J, those details need not matter. Just the betrayal of trust is enough. If J cares enough about your friendship she will need to personally grow and take responsibility. This starts with a truly sincere apology (admits she was wrong, empathizes with your feelings, and asks how she can make it right). Without this true apology (and personal growth on her part), it’s will be up to you whether you want to continue the friendship on some type of level.

    R’s feelings may have been hurt with the realization about seeming judgmental. I am not sure how this conversation went down, but maybe you could try again to help her understand. She may have felt attacked. I think it is important for R to see it’s not personal toward her, but more about how you feel when you are talking about you and why you don’t feel comfortable or safe confiding in her. It is a hard realization for anyone, and another big personal growth effort (this time on on R’s part). Self-awareness is hard, so try to have patience on this one. She may be able to feel somewhat better about your friendship, but the feeling of being judged may not ever go away for you. But this friendship sounds like it is definitely worth trying to salvage. Trust is very valued quality and one which seems harder to come by these days. If your friendship is strong enough (and you can tell her you think it is) then this shouldn’t ruin it. In a perfect outcome, she will begin to understand your feelings, and try to make a change in herself for the better. Maybe by asking you examples and to point out instances when you feel this way (hard, but again necessary for growth). My guess is if you feel this way, there are likely others in her life that do as well. In fact she may have heard it before. Just be gentle, its hard for some of us to show vulnerability… Good Luck to you!

    #114003
    Gina
    Participant

    Thank you &monklet80 and to you @zen76. Like most everyone, I’ve dealt with a significant amount of loss and trust and It has helped getting the feedback from such sound minded people.

    #114018
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear ginabelle1104:

    From what I understand, J’s behavior was despicable: sharing your personal information/ gossiping instead of directly approaching you with any problems J was having with you. J pretended to be supportive of you, encouraging you to communicate with J any time you need to and then complaining about (J’s own offer) to R. If my understanding is correct, then I would have no contact with J anymore.

    The way you described R, gossiping about other people, doesn’t seem like R is a good friend material either. When he gossips about others (complaining to you about others, instead of addressing the others personally) then you know it is only time before you end up in his complaining to others (maybe even … the same others he has complained to you about!)

    Choose your friends wisely. I think this is a good reminder, your thread, for every one of us, to address a person directly with any problem we have with that person instead of complaining about it to a third party.

    I think talking about problems I had with person X, talking about those problems with person Y is okay only if I no longer am in a relationship of any kind with person X and if person Y is also not in a relationship with person X.

    anita

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