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    nova
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    Gosh, where to start? I tend to over share but I will do my best to be clear in the story and what’s been going on in my mind in hopes that someone can help me sort out my feelings and how I need to move forward.

    i (25f) am engaged (26m) and we both have two children. Both who are under the age or 3. So we have a lot going on and we are dealing with the normal stressors and demands of being new, young parents who are trying to build a life together.

    we have been together for 6 years and things have always been rocky between us. i think the reason for that boils down to my upbringing and how i never did witness a healthy, stable, relationship. all relationships I grew up around ended in, cheating, unhappiness, and divorce! Aside from that I also have serious abandonment issues as both my mother and father were not part of my life for the first 7 years due to alcoholism. Father is still not in the picture. My mother and I have reconciled and she is now sober. But because of my upbringing I never learned how to be in a relationship and over the last six years with him that has definitely undermined the foundation of our relationship. We have broken up many many times just to take time apart and then realize we love each other and want to work things out.

    the last and final time we broke up before getting back together for good and becoming pregnant with our first child, was in august of 2019. At that time he moved back in with his family and I stayed in the apartment we had been sharing. Aside from being sad about no longer being together I was actually quite happy to be on my own and living in an apartment on my own. I was really taking care of myself; I was working out, making friends, going out and just overall enjoying my life in a way I hadn’t experienced yet.

    at the time of that break up i reconnected with someone who I went to grade school with. We will call him G. we met and dated and things were good, I was very attracted to him on many levels especially sexually. We enjoyed our time together for about a month before I cut it off. Looking back, I believe I cut things off for 2 reasons. 1) I did have a genuine interest and connection with this person and 2) I wasn’t ready for another relationship like that at that moment. I was happy to continue to spend time together and have sex but feelings were really getting involved so I cut it off. And rather abruptly. It wasn’t ended in a way where there was mutual understanding. So that left some loose ends.

    fast forward to November of 2019. My now fiancé and I got back together and that following December 31st I found out I was pregnant. We had our first child in the middle of the pandemic in 2020. Thoughts and wondering about G would pop up from time to time. Thoughts about “what if” what if we had stayed together and explored our relationship more, what if my fiancé and I never got back together? I felt in my heart that if I hadn’t reconnected with my fiancé that I could definitely have seen my self eventually pursuing a romantic relationship with G.

    we just had our second child at the beginning of 2022. And about a week after that is when G and I reconnected over social media. Seeing a message notification from him on my phone made me feel a lot of things, I was excited to talk to him. Things were short and civil, he just acknowledged that I was a mother now and I also mentioned being engaged. And that was that.  From that point on I started thinking about him more frequently and wondering about what could have been.

    And as of the last week and a half we have been speaking on and off on social media and it’s absolutely crossed the lines of just being polite and friendly. we’ve talked about the feelings we have toward each other and things to that extent. more romantic. i know that this is wrong and we have both acknowledged that so we keep making attempts to end the connection we’re feeding and to cut off contact but one of us always ends up reaching back out.

    i have felt overwhelming feelings for this person despite being engaged and having children with my fiancé. i have even began to wonder what a life would be like with G. I do love my fiancé but do not feel like I am IN LOVE. Sometimes I wonder if my fiancé is capable of loving me the way that I desire and I worry whether or not I will find fulfillment in our marriage if we do go through and get married. I will not agree to marriage until I know for certain that this is what I want. I will not put myself or fiancé through an unhappy marriage just to keep up appearances because we have children together.

    i know that what the right and moral thing to do is to completely cut contact with this individual And to move on. But it doesn’t feel so simple because of the feelings that I am having for him: I feel like I will always wonder “what if”

     

    i am torn.

    #403927
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear nova:

    It helps me to understand when I retell parts of a member’s story (with quotes), so that’s what I’ll do:

    For the first 7 years of your life, your parents were not in your life because of alcoholism. You never witnessed a healthy, stable relationship, they all “ended in, cheating, unhappiness, and divorce!”.

    You got together with the man you are now engaged to when you were 19. It was a rocky relationship all along, the two of you have “broken up many many times”. Last time was in August 2019 (age 22). Following that breakup you were “quite happy” to live in your own apartment on your own, “working out, making friends, going out and just overall enjoying my life in a way I hadn’t experienced yet”. During the break, you dated G for a month: “things were good, I was very attracted to him on many levels especially sexually”.

    You got back together with your now fiancé in November 2019, found out that you were pregnant Dec 31, 2019. had your first child “in the middle of the pandemic in 2020“, had your second child at the beginning of 2022, and reconnected with G a week later over social media. As of the last 1.5 weeks, since the end of June 2022, the communication with G on social media “absolutely crossed the lines of just being polite and friendly. We’ve talked about the feelings we have toward each other and things to that extent. More romantic. I know that this is wrong and we have both acknowledged that so we keep making attempts to end the connection we’re feeding and to cut off contact but one of us always ends up reaching back out”.

    “I do love my fiancé but do not feel like I am IN LOVE. Sometimes I wonder if my fiancé is capable of loving me the way that I desire…  I will not agree to marriage until I know for certain that this is what I want. I will not put myself or fiancé through an unhappy marriage just to keep up appearances because we have children together. I know that what the right and moral thing to do is to completely cut contact with this individual And to move on. But it doesn’t feel so simple because of the feelings that I am having for him: I feel like I will always wonder ‘what if’. I am torn”-

    -I took some time to think, or rather, to feel your story, taking into great consideration how you feel and what you think, so that my input is not a general what-should-a-woman-do in your place, but what should you do. Or rather, what I would do at your age, in your situation and with your thoughts and feelings.

    I wouldn’t get married. I would break the engagement and co-parent my two children with their father, living separately from him, on your own once again. I would resume the relationship with G (I wouldn’t be able not to, my feelings being so strong), but I’ll be aware that I dated him for only a month, still don’t know him well enough, and that because of my background, the abandonment issues you mentioned etc., even if he is a decent guy, it will not be a smooth ride. But it could be a great ride. It could work out long-term… maybe.

    I think that the.. unlived part of your life, (the lack of passion, the lack of adventure, the lack of living on your own) will not allow you at this time to settle for less than what you imagine life could be.

    anita

     

    #403928
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Nova

    It sounds like you might have some concerns about your current relationship. Would you like to discuss them?

    My concern with this individual you dated for a month is that really isn’t long enough to know him. He knows you’re engaged and has children yet is still pursuing you. You have to be a pretty shady individual to break up a family. Plus, there is zero security there. If you broke up with your partner for this individual, he might walk away when he’s had his fun.

    If you end the relationship with your partner, it should be because it is what you want. Not because of another individual.

    #403942
    nova
    Participant

    thank you Anita and Helcat.

     

    yes I do have concerns about my current relationship and those things are making me feel wary imagining “forever” with this person. i love this person, so it hurts me to think about it ending for good because there are many traits he has that I value in life. but i am not IN love with him. Is it superficial and naive of me to wish there was more of those types of feelings in our relationship? I understand that love is not always sunshine and rainbows, and that the honeymoon phase does end. I also understand that perhaps things are a bit…bland between us because we are relatively new parents trying to navigate so much all at once.

    i have expressed to him many times that while I know that he loves me, I wish that he would show me love in the ways that I receive it. I need quality time and I wish he was more intentional with that time. I wish he were more intentional in showing me that he thinks about me and adores me when we are not together. If he even does. I just want to feel SPECIAL to him. I don’t want him to just tell me, I want him to show me. We have discussed these things at length and I feel like he doesn’t see my perspective. He simply says that in order for me to feel the things that I want to feel; I have to cultivate that by giving those things to him. Almost like, treat people like you want to be treated. And I agree with this!

    secondly, i simply do not feel fulfilled with our sex life. i never have. I will say that  recently he has offered to please me sexually more than he ever has and so i do appreciate that. but over the years it has felt that our sex life centered around his pleasure and the moment that I began to enjoy things it would end because he would reach climax (prematurely, if you know what I mean) and I would just be left feeling empty and unfulfilled.

    there’s just a general lack of chemistry. sure we get on well intellectually and can talk very deeply about things and I do value that and it is something I love about him. but it feels like our relationship is lacking polarity.

    With G, the individual I have reconnected with, those things that I feel are lacking with my fiance aren’t. There is incredible chemistry there. We just sort of bounce off of each other in a playful manner which makes me feel more attracted to him and there is incredible sexual chemistry there.

    i do agree that I will not be leaving my fiancé because of another man, but rather because it’s what I need for myself in my own life. To be honest, the thought of leaving and being on my own has crossed my mind many times, before I even reconnected with G.

    there is nothing wrong with my fiancé he is an incredible person and father. but i am doubtful he can love me the way my heart truly desires, and to live my life feeling unfulfilled by my relationship terrifies me.

    #403944
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear nova:

    “there’s just a general lack of chemistry (with fiance)… I doubt he can love me the way my heart truly desires, and to live my life feeling unfulfilled… terrifies me”, “With G… those things that I feel are lacking with my fiance aren’t. There is incredible chemistry there”-

    – if you didn’t have the experience with G to compare to your experience with fiance, you would easily settle for your fiance…right?  But now that you know the DIFFERENCE, what are you to do? (I will be back to your thread in about 10 hours).

    anita

    #403946
    nova
    Participant

    Anita,

    Yes I suppose I would “settle” with my fiancé. I hate to think of it in terms of “settling” because like I’ve said he is an amazing individual. but yes, in the areas of sexual chemistry and general feelings of desire, I would be settling.

    What am I to do? There are many things I can do I suppose. I know that the right thing to do would be to give my relationship with my fiancé as fair of a chance as possible before calling it quits. That would look like really trying to fan the flame of passion and sexual fulfillment in our lives and to get back to a place of desiring each other.

    i recognize that part of the reason the sexual chemistry between G and I was so great is because I, on a personal level was feeling so confident in myself at the time; and sexy. I was taking care of myself by working out and doing the things that made me feel sexy! so that is something I could attempt to incorporate into our relationship and see if that helps ??

    Or, I could just end the relationship to pursue one with G. Which to me and to I think any person would seem like an absolutely stupid idea because why would I leave my fiancé with whom I have started a family and have a generally good relationship with, to be with someone I really do not know on any REAL level but made me feel good sexually and made me feel flirty and fun. That just doesn’t seem like the right way to go. But I do know that in the back of my head I will always wonder about what could have been.

    Thoughts?

    #403947
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear nova:

    I am just about to go to bed, so I am not able to read and reply. I will be back to your thread in about 9-10 hours from how.

    anita

     

    #403949
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Nova

    Have you spoken to your fiance about love languages? Lots of people show their love in different ways.

    Some love languages include; words of affirmation, acts of service, gifts, touch, quality time. I’m curious what your fiance’s love language is?

    With my husband, initially I had some expectations from what I wanted at first regarding romance. Discussing love languages helped because had a chance to explain the different ways that he shows his love. Afterwards, I would pay attention through the day for the things he described as his love language. This helped me appreciate his style of love language.

    What does intentional quality time look like for you?

    It sounds like your fiance might experience some sexual dysfunction. Perhaps a doctor might be able to help? This is a very sensitive subject for men, but it is very common, even in young men.

    It’s good that he has come around and is trying to please you now. I hope that he will continue to learn about this subject, perhaps it is something romantic that you could do together?

    I do agree that it is a good idea to cultivate some of these feelings in yourself.

    I hope you guys work things out. But I understand that these issues are very daunting. I would imagine that sometimes he feels more like a friend because of the chemistry issues.

    #403951
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear nova:

    This will be a long post because I will be reading and responding to all your posts so far. I will bring up different points while all along, I am not invested in you making this or that choice.

    It looks like you stumbled into the relationship with your fiancé. That’s not uncommon: lots and lots of women stumble into relationships, relationships that just happened because he happened to be there, there was something about him that was attractive, physically or otherwise (or maybe because there was nothing about him that was terribly unattractive), and because no other man, a more attractive man, was interested at the time, so the choice was limited.

    Things have always been rocky between us… We have broken up many, many times” – this is not evidence of a promising relationship, regardless of the reasons for the breakups.

    After the last breakup (August 2019), away from your fiancé, you had the best time in your life: “I was actually quite happy to be on my own and living in an apartment on my own. I was really taking care of myself; I was working out, making friends, going out and just overall enjoying my life in a way I hadn’t experienced yet“- this is evidence in the direction of not being in a relationship with him (or with anyone, perhaps) being promising.

    You then got back with him in November 2019 and a month later you … stumbled into a pregnancy.  And now, you are 25 with two kids under 3, engaged to their father and of course, the logical and responsible thing to do is to marry him and live happily- or unhappily ever after. The saying you made your bed, now lie in it comes to mind, a saying based on the belief that there are limited choices in life, and once they’re made, you’re stuck with them.

    Imagine you being very wealthy and therefore having unlimited financial choices: would you settle for this relationship or would you make arrangements so that you and the father of your kids live separately and everyone is content with the arrangement?

    “I love this person… but I am not IN love with him.. I understand that love is not always sunshine and rainbows, and that the honeymoon phase does end.. I simply do not feel fulfilled with our sex life. I never have… there’s just a general lack of chemistry”- you were never fulfilled with him sexually.. so the honeymoon phase did not begin, there’ve never been sunshine and rainbows, not sexually, not really.

    I just want to feel SPECIAL to him… I am doubtful he can love me the way my heart truly desires, and to live my life feeling unfulfilled by my relationship terrifies me“- this is a strong desire, to feel special, with capital letters, SPECIAL. When a child grows up feeling not special, year after year and into the second decade of life, this desire becomes intense and quite permanent. Unfortunately as an adult, it is unlikely to get this feeling satisfied in a romantic relationship (true in regard to your fiancé and G), not for long. It takes quality therapy to lessen and contain this child intense desire to feel that special.

    Recently he has offered to please me sexually more than he ever has…  but over the years it has felt that our sex life centered around his pleasure and the moment that I began to enjoy things it would end because he would reach climax (prematurely, if you know what I mean) and I would just be left feeling empty and unfulfilled“- we are habitual creatures. He has his habits in regard to food: what foods he likes, what foods he dislikes, how thoroughly he chews his food, how much he eats, when he eats, whether he likes to drink his coffee black or with cream, whether he has toast with his coffee, etc., etc. Similarly, he also has habits in regard to sex, and just like he is not likely to change his habits in regard to food, he is not likely to change his habits in regard to sex.

    we get on well intellectually and can talk very deeply about things and I do value that and it is something I love about him“- getting along intellectually means that you can build on it. Not getting along sexually- nothing to build on.

    If you talked with him intellectually about your lack of felt-chemistry, how would that go? I imagine it will hurt him very much… bring the relationship to an end perhaps, or he may try very hard, pun intended.. he is not very aware of the issue, is he?

    With G, the individual I have reconnected with…  there is incredible sexual chemistry there“- there is a sexual compatibility, there is a fit between his sexual and related habits and yours.

    The thought of leaving and being on my own has crossed my mind many times, before I even reconnected with G“- not the state of mind that is congruent with getting married.

    “I know that the right thing to do would be to give my relationship with my fiancé as fair of a chance as possible before calling it quits. That would look like really trying to fan the flame of passion and sexual fulfillment in our lives and to get back to a place of desiring each other” – so there was a time when you desired him.. was that before you experienced sexual frustration with him too often and the whole experience became disappointing? In other words, did you desire him based on the expectation that he will deliver the goods, an expectation that wasn’t met?

    Regarding “trying to fan the flames of passion”- to blow oxygen into a fire, you have to have a fire first.

    “I recognize that part of the reason the sexual chemistry between G and I was so great is because I, on a personal level was feeling so confident in myself at the time; and sexy. I was taking care of myself by working out… so that is something I could attempt to incorporate into our relationship and see if that helps ??“- I don’t think so. Imagine working out, feeling great.. and getting sexually disappointed once again. You can incorporate healthy habits into your life, but you can’t incorporate a sexual compatibility that is not there.

    “Or, I could just end the relationship to pursue one with G. Which to me and to I think any person would seem like an absolutely stupid idea because why would I leave my fiancé with whom I have started a family and have a generally good relationship with, to be with someone I really do not know on any REAL level but made me feel good sexually and made me feel flirty and fun. That just doesn’t seem like the right way to go. But I do know that in the back of my head I will always wonder about what could have been. Thoughts?”-

    – If you ended your relationship with your fiancé, you might regret it so much and feel so guilty about it,  that it will damp your attraction to G. You might even feel chronically angry at G for being the cause of your breakup, for being the reason your kids are not living with their father.

    Back to the saying you made your bed, now lie in it, a saying that applies literally here… you stumbled into this relationship with your fiancé,  but the good news is that he has great qualities and you mentioned none that are abusive, so you didn’t stumble that badly. It would be a bad idea to stumble into a bed/ life with G because you don’t know him well. He may be great in bed, but what if… he has a nasty habit of sh*** around the bed in some way, excuse my being gross. You don’t want to stumble into that!

    The more you try to fan flames that aren’t there, or flames that are too weak- the less fire you will experience. It’s a matter of feeling it-or-not. So don’t push it, don’t force it. If you accept the absence of passion, maybe you will be surprised some day, or night. If you stop hoping and expecting MORE, the less may become- unexpectedly- more.

    anita

    #404116
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear nova:

    There is something I didn’t think about before now and would like to add it to this post. In your original post you wrote: “All relationships I grew up around ended in, cheating, unhappiness, and divorce!… Because of my upbringing I never learned how to be in a relationship and over the last six years with him… We have broken up many many times just to take time apart and then realize we love each other and want to work things out”-

    I would like to suggest an editing to  “I never learned how to  be in a relationship”-> I got scared of staying in a relationship and getting stuck in it.

    Because all the relationships around you were bad, you got scared of all relationships, and that could be the reason why- on your part- you needed to break away from him many, many times. On one hand you were scared of staying in a relationship, on the other hand you missed him when away from him.

    After the last breakup, in August 2019 (the summer of freedom and joy), you felt more free from a relationship than ever and you flourished in your new freedom: “I was actually quite happy to be on my own…  I was working out, making friends, going out and just overall enjoying my life in a way I hadn’t experienced yet”. You experienced joy like you never experienced before. No wonder that back then, in the summer of freedom and joy, you also enjoyed sexual joy so much (with G): the freedom from being in a relationship made it possible.

    “We enjoyed our time together for about a month before I cut it off. Looking back, I believe I cut things off… (because) I wasn’t ready for another relationship”- you got scared of being in a relationship (with G, this time) so you broke away from him.

    Next, you resumed the relationship with your former boyfriend, found out you were pregnant, had a second child, got engaged and … you are stuck in a relationship. Fear is not compatible with joy, including sexual joy.

    If you look back at your history with your fiancé, I wonder if you notice that before every break up the sex was unsatisfying but greatly improved every time you got back together…  only to become unsatisfying over time and better after the next breakup. If there’s been such a pattern, it may mean that the issue is less of a sexual compatibility and more of the Fear Factor ruining your sex life with your fiancé.

    Also, it is possible that part of your motivation to communicate with G, to think about him and about “what could have been” is to propel you to end the relationship, so that you can be free of it. And it is possible that if you got into a relationship with G, the same pattern will take place, for the same reasons.

    anita

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