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December 21, 2022 at 11:07 pm #412312NatieParticipant
Hi Anita and everyone here.
i will get to the bottom of this. I have hurt so many people two years ago. I have apologised but i still get the feeling often times that it wasn’t enough. I am thinking about writing an apology letter to my ex, to the friends i have hurt and everyone i have done wrong really. Maybe it will give them closure if they havnt founded it yet. Im a bit not sure if this is the right move. Some say that this will bring up old wounds and i will end up hurting them more. What do you think?
thanks
December 22, 2022 at 12:38 pm #412351AnonymousGuestDear Natie:
Welcome back! To answer your question: I don’t think that it is a good idea for you to apologize yet again because (1) although apologizing yet again may give you a quick relief from your guilt, the relief will not last long, and (2), like you said, it may “end up hurting them more“, (assuming all of the people you think you hurt, really did hurt because of you).
On June 7 this year, more than half a year ago, I wrote to you in your other thread: “Guilt, like any other emotion, has a purpose. Its purpose is to motivate a person to correct one’s behavior, and in so doing, to become a better person- through speech.. and through action… To suffer guilt, to express it on and on and on without any practical use is a form of self- indulgence.. of the masochistic type“. Half a year later, there it is, the same guilt.
Psychology Today/ The Workings of Persecutory Guilt (Sept 2019): “Persecutory guilt is a form of self-inflicted punishment that results from a harsh and vindictive conscience. Aggression and hostility is turned against the self. Symptoms of this self-inflicted guilt include anxiety, depression and psychosomatic symptoms… A person is haunted by unconscious guilt that moves them to suffer and act against their own interests… This type of self-guilt is a way of seeking out punishment from which one then draws unconscious pleasure“-
– do you think that there is any truth to this, as far as your guilt goes?
anita
December 22, 2022 at 12:56 pm #412352NatieParticipantHi anita,
thank you for the kind welcome. Always good to hear from you.
yeah i guess you guys are right this could hatm i see where you are coming from.
actually i wish im deriving pleasure from guilt at least i wouldn’t be exhausted and mentally drained as i am now. I think its more of a state if disbelife of one’s actions at one point in time and it comes in waves. But thank you for the advice
December 22, 2022 at 1:05 pm #412354NatieParticipantHowever I actually took mos if the advices you shared with me earlier and i used the guilt to get rid if some of the unpleasant habits. Im trying to change things maybe slowly but surely and part if me us honestly thankful for the bad experience i believe it was necessary to make me be better version (even though i low key wish it could’ve been done in a less ugly way. But its what it is)
December 22, 2022 at 1:09 pm #412356AnonymousGuestDear Natie:
You are welcome. Would you like to look into your guilt, as in how it started, perhaps during your childhood?
anita
December 24, 2022 at 5:32 pm #412611AnonymousGuestDear Natie:
I brought an older thread of yours (different account), “ex wants another try”, to the first page of list of topics and will reply further tomorrow.
anita
December 25, 2022 at 4:29 pm #412636AnonymousGuestDear Natie:
In your original post on this thread, on Dec 21, 2022, you wrote: ” I have hurt so many people two years ago. I have apologised, but I still get the feeling often times that it wasn’t enough. I am thinking about writing an apology letter to my ex, to the friends I have hurt and everyone I have done wrong really”.
A year and a half ago, on July 2, 2021, you wrote (in your thread I Think I’m the devil in this relationship): “Dear Anita.. Yes you are right, I am the eldest child and so if I got a bad grade at school my mom would be really sad and I felt like I had to write a letter to her to apologise, or when my siblings were growing up, I was always up till now, uptight and worried that if they stayed out all night, they will cause problems at home, so I kept calling and chasing them and felt it in my bones because if I didn’t there will be a fight at the house between my parents”.
In regard to your ex-boyfriend, in your mind he was not a man, but a child (“it felt like I’m his mom, which I guess I had no problem with at first, but then I hated it” (June 16, 2021). And it seems to me that you wanted out of the relationship with him for a long time, that you wanted to break up with him, but you felt too conflicted and too guilty to break up with him, so you went about it indirectly: after you cheated on him, you told him about it repeatedly, hoping that he will break up with you: “When I cheated, I immediately confronted my boyfriend.. I wanted him to feel angry at me… I even told him I don’t think u understand how ugly my actions were, and I repeated what I had done to him with complete honesty multiple times, and yet he was like I forgive you“, June 16, 2021.
I will write a bit more about this tomorrow. You are welcome to reply before I post again, or wait for my next post, or let me know if you prefer that I don’t continue my train of thought. I do wish you the best, Natie, hoping that you find relief from your unfortunate, long-term painful guilt.
anita
December 26, 2022 at 2:31 pm #412676AnonymousGuestDear Natie:
July 2, 2021: “I am the eldest child and so if I got a bad grade at school my mom would be really sad and I felt like I had to write a letter to her to apologise“- I used to feel so very disturbed and guilty when my mother looked really sad, or upset, or angry (and she often was these things). I wanted to make her feel better right away, and I would have done anything and everything to make her happy… I would have climbed the tallest mountain to make it happen, but there was no mountain to climb. I tried in the small ways a child tries.. and I failed. I used to dream about becoming rich and famous and making her very rich… I thought that big, flashy things will make her happy
“Or when my siblings were growing up, I was always up till now, uptight and worried that if they stayed out all night, they will cause problems at home, so I kept calling and chasing them and felt it in my bones because if I didn’t there will be a fight at the house between my parents”- I remember just that one fight between my parents (they divorced when I was about 6). It was dark and there was screaming and yelling and threats and commotion. It was the scariest night of my 6-years of life.
I lived with guilt for decades: as a child, as a teenager, and as an adult. Guilt ruined so much of my life, I missed so much that others got to experience: a sense of togetherness with others; times of belonging, of love and happiness.
If you want to talk more about guilt, if you can relate to what I wrote here, please let me know. Otherwise, like I wrote before: I do wish you well, dear Natie!
anita
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