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  • #42573
    Naomi
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    hey.. so ill try to make this as short as possible. i am 28, and considered to be a very upbeat, smiling energetic person. my relationship history is a 10 year relationship which i ended, and then a 4 year relationship that recently got to the ultimate and complete end, after going back back and forth for all that time. the reason I’m here is because i cant let go. i cant let go of the recent ex, eventhough i also had issues letting go of the former.

    the 4 year ex came in the picture right before i ended things with my 10 year one, and was part of the reason for the breakup, but not entirely. when i ended my first relationship, it was due to basically lack of intimacy, romance or anything that differs just buddies or brothers, to a romantic couple. we have become like brothers. and then the other guy came.. he was so sexy, so powerful in his looking at me and desiring me.. i felt addicted to the feeling of being desired and wanted, and eventually left the former guy.

    since the day me and my recent ex (the one who made me feel on top of the world) met, its been a rollercoaster ride. that relationship was toxic as hell, and i am well aware of it. we didnt get along, we fought constantly, had so much drama between us, but always come back to eachothers arms. he has hurt me and made me feel so small…. it was the opposite from my first relationship, in the sense that we had NO deep bond or friendship connection, we just had a lot of desire, raw emotions and very good sex. it was like i was starting to get hooked on a drug. he changed me, i am not the same person i once was. you could say he almost tamed me. slowly but surely, from a free spirited, independent and positive person, i became depressed, clingy and totally desperate.

    like i said, the number of times we broke up and got back together was probably over 50, no joke. but now, its really it, its really the end. and im devastated. he said he no longer loves me, has feelings for me or is even in a place where he could consider getting back together. its the first time ive heard him say those words out loud, eventhough his actions spoke it. i really feel he is over me and is moving on, and i am lost, confused and dont know how to cope.

    i read all the articles here and on so many sites, i know exactly what i NEED to do in order to make it easier on me, i know we weren’t meant to be. but i want him back so bad. the more he rejects me, the more i want him. i feel like i need to prove myself to him, and i know its wrong but thats where i want to be. its like i am choosing to feel this way, not wanting to let go.

    am i crazy? everybody wants to be happy in the end, but i dont care about that, i want him to love me again and to peruse me. my brain tells me that i know what will happen, i know that even if we do get back together, it’ll probably not work because we are not compatible and toxic together. it tells me that ill have a miserable life with him and that i deserve more. but i dont FEEL it. i just KNOW it. my intellect and my wits serve me no good here, because i am so aware of myself and of the satiation, and STILL choose to ignore it and to feel so very bad. “only you can help yourself”, they say. but i cant, i dont want to, or maybe i do, but its so clouded now that i cant see anything except for him and feel the overwhelming pain and helplessness of being dumped. its more than just being dumped, its not being loved anymore. that person having no feelings for me anymore.

    i dont want to leave my house, i pick at my skin and ruin my health, looks and my inside world. i dont know if there’s anything anyone could say, but im letting it out here.

    #42581
    Matt
    Participant

    Naomi,

    I’m sorry for the suffering you’re experiencing, and know how hopeless it can feel when our heart breaks. Don’t despair, sister, there is always a path to joy. A few things came to heart as I read your words.

    This is going to be a tough pill to swallow, but you’re going through withdrawal from an addiction. The drama and sex and emotional rollercoastering… has pushed your body into a state of craving. Much like alcohol addiction, passion addiction becomes toxic quickly and has terrible withdrawal symptoms. For alcoholics, their body adjusts to all the sugars and crazy swings, and stops looking for nourishment. In late stages, they don’t even eat any more. The emotional equivalent is going on for you, right now, and as painful as it is, there is a road to recovery… a path out of the cave, and back into the warmth of balance and joy.

    There is a lot of information out there about codependency and its phases, symptoms, and recovery. Pia Mellody has done great things with her heart, and I highly recommend her books. They can smooth out your self awareness and give practical day to day practices which can help you refuel your heart.

    Basically, perhaps what happened is this: You were bored and unfulfilled, and he came in with such passionate fire that he caught your attention fully. Over time, the potency became so alluring that you stopped caring for yourself, spending time stabilizing and harmonizing your own body with itself. Instead, when the two of you were up, you were up, and when you two were down, you were down. You became a victim of your own addiction to the potency between you two, and began using that as your main (or only) source of emotional nourishment. Because the union was interwoven with toxic passion, the energy wasn’t producing the nourishment you needed, and so you would flop from filled to empty over and over. Finally, the connection couldn’t withstand the push and pull, and so it crumbled. Now, because you are out of self nourishing habits, all your energy was removed, leaving you hungry and aching. Craving, almost feral. So you abuse yourself to feel something, anything.

    And I’m so sorry if any or most of this fits. Please get Pia’s books, they are wonderful. In the meantime, there are steps you can take to refill that inner warmth. Consider intentionally doing self nurturing activities. Go for a walk in nature, and try to see the trees and animals and dirt. Take them in. Take a bath with candles, soft music. Do some painting or sculpting, or go to a museum or gallery. Do nice things for yourself, make some space fore the craving/addiction to settle. Consider doing a metta meditation regularly, search youtube for “sharon metta guided” for one that might resonate with you.

    Accept “this is just craving an object of addiction” and be gentle with yourself. You, more than anyone, deserve your tender care and attention. And, you are the best person to give that care. And, yes, of course you deserve it… you are beautiful and powerful, and have only stumbled along your path of love. Its OK, it will pass, the craving recedes, and the buoyant goddess comes back to play with the rest of us. It takes time, but you’re alive and well underneath the muck, dear sister.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #42583
    Naomi
    Participant

    Matt..
    thank you so much for your words. All of it is true indeed im afraid. the thing that boggles my mind though, is that as i am reading your words, and not only yours, but every person who tries to comfort me and give me hope, i am rejecting it. Meaning, i feel like i dont want the craving to recede, because then- i will lose him. Sounds funny? yes 🙁 I know I already lost him. If the thoughts about him subside, if “time (will) heals all wounds”.. then itll happen for him too! he wont be alone forever, he WILL fall in love again and he will ultimately know for a fact that breaking up with me was the best thing to do. He will heal! That scares me so much. And so, instead of taking those kind words of solace to MYSELF, i redirect them to him almost automatically. HE will feel better. HE will get over me etc. and that even hurts me more than not having him here with me to show me love or give me affection.
    i want to magically move on and maybe fall in love again. i just..cant cope with the option that itll come to him first. i want him to regret it, to persue me,to understand the mistake he has made. eventhough it WASNT a mistake and i am aware of it! he did the right thing for the both of us, but my addiction i suppose , is clouding and twisting my view of reality i guess. Maybe I just need to be loved.. so it is time to love myself? But.. then I wont have him anymore… I know it sounds twisted…
    every second of every day this issue is on my mind. not just missing him, but praying that he will miss me. thats somehow more important for me

    Matt, thank you so much…i will go ahead and follow your recommendations. im just waiting for the magical coin to drop. 🙁

    #42584
    Matt
    Participant

    Naomi,

    Yes, that is normal. You reject it… saying “one more drink is all I need”. The hope has to come from within, as you turn away from him… intentionally or forced from his side, and you regain your balance. One breath at a time, one day at a time. Of course part of you fights it, that’s what addiction is. The body and mind in conflict… the body seeks balance in the object, and the mind has to help it steer away and back toward health… even while it inspires thoughts such as “one more hit would be OK”.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #42606
    jules
    Participant

    Hi Naomi,

    I wish I could take away all the pain and make you feel better. I’ve had my fair share of painfully toxic relationships and I can relate to what you’re going through. I think Matt offers some really good advice and I also highly recommend Pia Mellody’s book, Facing Love Addiction. It’s super insightful and workbook exercises are included.

    I just want to encourage you to be more empowering with your language. It’s obvious that you’re very self reflective, you’re well aware of your issue and your negative thought patterns, but consider using different language around how you might be able to handle this break up. Unfortunately, there’s no quick fix. You have to reach a point where you’re willing to give up your story about how you can’t get over this guy in exchange for the possibility of peace. I do this by using affirmations and I do find them to be extremely powerful and helpful. Every time my thinking goes south and i start feeling awful, I use a relevant affirmation and I work with it until my energy improves.

    the world is illusory and we invent the worlds we inhabit with our thoughts and our words. So, the more you say that you can’t get over this guy because you can’t lose him… well, that’s what you’re thinking. And those thoughts are causing you a lot of pain. And I know how hard it is because you think that there is something in this guy’s world that you want, but you have to try to get that you made that thought up too. I work at this every day myself, so, I don’t want to sound callous, I’m just telling you what i’ve discovered in my own journey cos I’ve had these kinds of thoughts. It’s sorta like you gotta put the energy in to reprogram yourself. Rewire your way of thinking. I think it’s of value to read that Pia Mellody book because she gets into how these types of toxic relationships go back to our family of origin and so in that sense, take the emphasis off the guy and put the focus on healing the inner child. That’s what I do because I’m powerless over these guys that bring all this chaos into my life, but I can work on my issues so that I no loner attract these kinds of guys or that i no longer find them attractive.

    Think of this tragedy as a journey of personal transformation. Even though, of course, you’re still in pain, it’s just a more empowering way of a looking at your situation. Spiritual transformation is kinda like standing in the fire of love and it’s painful. Just like the baby cries when it comes out of the womb. Think of it as if you’re breaking out of a mold. We’re all molded by our family of origin, our conditioning and it’s like that part of you is sorta dying off in this break up and since you haven’t yet reinvented yourself, you’re still clinging to the identity of the former self. The soul desires expansion and in a sense you attracted this relationship to work through something probably connected to one of your parents, but I’m making an assumption there, but that’s usually how it works. That’s how we evolve and it is painful, there’s no denying it, but I encourage you to think about it in a more empowering way to take the pressure off yourself and maybe you can begin to take little steps to move forward.

    Another way to think of it is in terms of mythology, like all Greek Heroes went thru rites of passage. It’s sorta like you’re maturing. This is the painful process of how we mature and it’s a process of individuation.

    I love Thich Nhat Hanh and I highly recommend this article as it is a wonderfully concise discussion on Buddhist psychology and mindfulness practice. I find Thich Nhat Hanh’s approach so genuine and pragmatic. It’s excerpted from his book, Reconciliation which has to deal with forgiving our parents and taking care of the inner child. I hope you find it helpful.
    http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3660

    I know how painful this is because I’ve been thru this type of hell myself, and I don’t want you to think that I’m minimizing your pain or that i don’t understand cos I do. I was very fortunate that when everything went to hell in my life that I had a couple of great mentors to guide me thru it. And i was stubborn, but my mentors didn’t tolerate my resistance. thought control… that’s the only way thru to the other side. forgiveness is really letting go of your unhealthy attachments to painful memories. Make a commitment to healing and a spiritual path which is staying centered on love and giving up the story and the meaning that you’ve put into the story. And you have to make the distinction that it’s not because of love that you can’t let go of this guy, it’s the ego believing that there’s something in keeping the story that will keep itself (the ego) alive. Keep faith!!! Miracles happen all the time!!!!

    #42609
    jules
    Participant

    What i mean, is that it might not be that you’re afraid to lose the guy as much as you’re afraid to lose your former sense of self or attachment to ego, ego identity. The ego is a powerful force that dictates our lives.

    #42625
    Naomi
    Participant

    hi jules… yes, you are 100% right and i know you are not trying to minimize my pain. ive read a lot of Buddhist inspired books and articles, and have experienced yoga and meditation myself. i know that it is not him that i am missing, he is just a symbol in my life for something way greater and deeper that is unresolved within me.
    my parents got divorced when i was 13, and i think i lost my identity back then, when i was too involved with the breakup and their getting back together back and forth. ive had the 1st guy (the 10 year ex) with me all along, so i didnt have to form an identity, i was with him, we were one. then the other guy came in, and again, i didnt have to be alone, now i have created a new identity which was one of raw emotions, uncontrolling desires and pure addiction to passion and to being loved. now that i am alone, it is time for me to discover “me”. who i am i, i still dont know. and like Eckhart Tolle says- thats OK not knowing.

    changing my internal language is changing my thoughts. once a thought arrives, it is so addictive, familiar and comfortable to think (because thats what im used to think for 4 years now), that it lures me in and then i feel the very infamous and familiar feeling of being alone, hurt, dumped, unloved and worthless.

    thats my former self, thats my ego, desperately clinging to the victim’s identity.

    with all this knowledge and introspection, i still cant let go of it, i am too scared. i will follow your advice as well and hopefully things will start looking up.

    i dont know if i am making a mistake, but in my mind, because i am not yet ready to come to terms and fully accept the finality of the breakup, me and him decided we would stay “friends”. i am planning on being as happy as i can and portraying that in my SMS’s with him. maybe then he will miss the old Naomi, the one he fell in love with and would want me back… i dont know, i know its still “playing the game” and no real progress can be made with taking this method, but it keeps me going.. not talking to him at all triggers the obsession of wanting something i must not go for and can not do.. do you guys think its bad

    #42627
    Matt
    Participant

    Naomi,

    If it is like a nicotine patch you wear as you get into better habits of self caring, then it is different than being a gateway into old patterns. Just try to keep your eyes open as you jump, don’t be fooled by illusion of happiness. Then you’ll grow, and either shed him like an old grubby teeshirt, or what you have together will mature alongside you. No matter what, it is your canvas to paint, and it is between you and your heart. The key is always there, and never in the “should”. Namaste.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #42632
    jules
    Participant

    It just doesn’t matter if i think it’s good or bad. the only thing that really matters is your state of mind. I just read your post and it resonated with me because I’ve been recovering from a similar scenario and I empathize with your pain and agony. It’s all up to you. whatever you decide to put your focus on will either help you heal and transcend the limits of this toxic relationship or it will further prolong your enmeshment. As far as I can tell from my own experience with dealing with this type of pattern behavior, conditioning, is that it all comes down to our thoughts and our values. you need to get that you’re the one who is putting value into this relationship. when we have a void or a deep wound that needs attention, it’s easier to put value in things we think we’re lacking to fill that void, or to think that if we have something that we’re lacking or that looks desirable that it will add value to our lives or our sense of worth. it’s just not true. You’re already worthy, it’s an illusion or a thought your ego came up with to make you think that you’re not. It goes back to your family of origin, but this is an issue all of humanity deals with in some way or another because of our programming… again, it goes back to how we use language and how our language creates a sense of separation from our selves and others. It’s called duality in the illusory world. thinking in terms of black and white rather than seeing it as part of the whole spectrum. for example you asked me if i think it’s bad as if there is a good and a bad. it’s all the same in the illusory world. if you want to get out of the illusory world, and this might be just my opinion, but i’d encourage you to renounce all judgments and stay focused on cultivating peace in your life. and that just means to pay attention to what you’re giving value and if it doesn’t feel good, work on improving your energy, in whatever form that works for you. otherwise, there really is nothing else you can do. not doing it is merely ego resistance and of course is terrifying. the ego doesn’t want to die! but you take little steps and you see how better you feel and it’s motivation. How do you heat up a cold room? You add a heat source and little by little the warm air molecules replace the cold air molecules until the room is warm. you do the same with your thinking, renounce the judgments, the attack thoughts and the negative thoughts and replace them with words that are nurturing for you, that make you feel good. it can’t feel good to be telling yourself that you can’t let go of this guy, that’s an utterly disempowering thought. try saying, I’ll heal myself.

    take 5 minutes to watch this clip. being dumped is nothing extraordinary, it happens to every body.

    #42644
    Edlin
    Participant

    Hi Naomi! I just want to leave a message to tell you that your not alone! I am also going thru a break up right now too! After a 3 year relationship! I grew up with this guy, his not even 21 till October. But i fell in love with him, it was just different from other relationship. But i was also like you. When my ex and I were down, i was down, I felt like it was always my fault and had to fix things to make things work out. I feel like he should come back because i feel in my heart that he still loves me but also because i want to be happy and now i know how differently i could of done things. It sucks. I am just thinking about it every time i wake up in the morning even in the middle of the night. And during day time when i pass by places or hear songs or his family calls me brings memories to my mind. Hopefully soon we can move on! It just sucks a huge part of your life can be gone in seconds.

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