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anita
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Dear Seaturtle:

“For example him being late, I did feel like this was controlling in some way, that he to a degree was purposely being late to show some sort of power dynamic“- maybe, if he was on time for work appointments but not on time for dates with you. If he was late in both contexts, or late with you and with other people, it could be the… weed. (I have a neighbor who uses weed every single day multiple times per day, so I know a thing or two about the behaviors entailed)

I would ask him all the time, ‘is this what you want?” and he was irritated by that question. I tried to ask him how things I did made him feel and he literally did not know how to answer those questions… I told him everything, all my thoughts. He did not tell me his”– maybe he didn’t know how to answer those questions and didn’t tell you his thoughts because of what the following quote from Harvard Publishing describes (I am adding the boldface feature to it):

“Recent research published in The American Journal of Psychiatry closely followed nearly 1,000 individuals in New Zealand from age 3 to age 45 to understand the impact of cannabis use on brain function. The research team discovered that individuals who used cannabis long-term (for several years or more) and heavily (at least weekly, though a majority in their study used more than four times a week) exhibited impairments across several domains of cognition. Long-term cannabis users’ IQs declined by 5.5 points on average from childhood, and there were deficits in learning and processing speed compared to people that did not use cannabis. The more frequently an individual used cannabis, the greater the resulting cognitive impairment… The impact of cannabis on cognitive impairment was greater than that of alcohol or tobacco use. Long-term cannabis users also had smaller hippocampi (the region of the brain responsible for learning and memory). Interestingly, individuals who used cannabis less than once a week with no history of developing dependence did not have cannabis-related cognitive deficits. This suggests there is a range of recreational use that may not lead to long-term cognitive issues” (Harvard Health Publishing)

“Using marijuana causes impaired thinking and interferes with a person’s ability to learn and perform complicated tasks. THC also disrupts functioning of the cerebellum and basal ganglia, brain areas that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time” (National Institute on Drug Abuse)

“He did not volunteer information about himself to me, I had to pry it out of him, in ‘deep’ conversations that ‘exhausted’ him“- because of how difficult it is to have deep conversations when cognitively impaired (due to frequent, long-term use of weed).

I feel peoples pain, like if I witness someone being spoken to mean, I can feel it and won’t stand for it. I can’t even watch certain movies if someone is being treated badly I can feel it too intensely“- When I watch YouTube of real-life (not actors) people in pain, I feel pain/ empathy and it feels like a release for me, it is an opportunity for me (as I analyze it) to feel my own pain, to bring it up from where it’s buried, and give it acknowledgment and expression (crying).

I also think my breakup with N gave me a sense of superiority… N was the hardest thing I have ever done, relationally, and if I can do it why can’t they. To me I feel like, stop complaining and leave if he is calling you bad names and treating you badly…so here I lack empathy and feel my decision making is superior“- Would you feel okay with someone who broke up with an N-like boyfriend six months or a year before you did, feeling superior to you?

I agree with everything you said in this paragraph: ‘So, now, I am quite embarrassed for having vilified N- it was wrong of me to do so, and I don’t want to do this again, not here in your thread and not elsewhere. What I am now inclined to think (from the totality of what you shared, which I did not re-read) is that N has very low self-esteem, that he is highly addicted to weed which keeps him mellow and unreactive (the Teflon brain we discussed), that he is a people pleaser, perhaps codependent..’“- good to read that you agree with all of this!

The day the narrative shifted for you majorly and you said you could no longer speak about N and I should leave that relationship, I read it with a grain of salt“- good to read that you take some of what I say with a grain of salt! (I mean it).

“I do not want to feel superior to others, but I do and I don’t know why… I believe that I am special and unique but I am also insecure that I am the only one that thinks that, which is probably true”-

– You are special and unique. I think that the need to feel superior to others is born out of feeling inferior to others, an.. overadjustment to feeling inferior.

I do think I make better decisions than many others and have more awareness than, F for one“- I made the mistake of expressing superiority over F and N, in our conversations here, on your thread, joining your similar superior sentiment. What was that one emoji I sent (not) to you… “a chakra snob”, something like that. Feeling and expressing superiority over others is the other side of the same coin, feeling and expressing inferiority to others. Better avoid both.

“My analysis would be that (N) cared SO much about what his parents felt, and wanted them to get along so badly that he ignored all of his own needs and took care of them”- this would be consistent with him ignoring his own needs in the relationship with you.

“He grew up so far from his own feelings that he doesn’t even know what they are, and it has been so long since he thought about them that now they are all in a big scary box he is afraid to open… He would spend days in the mountain with his dad, climbing the mountain and then skiing down, freezing and dangerous. He loves being in survival mode”- I’d think that with his feelings removed from his awareness, locked in a scary box, he has trouble feeling alive, and engaging in extreme, dangerous activities makes him feel ALIVE.

He loves being in survival mode, where his mind shuts up (he uses weed to have the same affect)“- when people don’t feel alive, there is a vacuum (of the feeling that’s not there) and rumination takes over the vacuum. When feeling-alive, rumination is gone.

This is leading me to think: it’s not reasonable to expect a person with his feelings locked in a box.. to SEE you.

“It was his desire to be in this survival mode that made him WANT that (shroom)intense situation to happen. That intense situation that he took me to, a place I did not feel safe. I bring that situation up so often because it was the first time real doubt and fear entered my mind about the relationship”- I see.

“N cares deeply about the people around him and wants everyone to get along, he brings people together with his amazing cooking and his generosity that attracts others…”- with his feelings in a scary box, he cares deeply about people?

“He doesn’t like losing people.. he was really impacted by one of his friends leaving without a word last year… He wanted to be close to people“- can you identify what of his feelings are in the scary box you mentioned?

“N puts others feelings over his own… His need to make others happy, and my desire to make him happy I think was uncomfortable for him… Grouped together he did not like that I didn’t always want to do what would make others happy… once we became closer, and I started to want him to be selfish with me, he no longer admired that trait I had. He wanted to continue to people please and I didn’t… I wouldn’t call him a people pleaser at all I would say he likes to keep the peace between people”-

– people pleasing and keeping peace between people is the same thing: “People pleasing is the act of making others happy to avoid conflict or negative feelings” (psychology today).

Him saying he felt that way made me want to run to him, but I couldn’t so what could I do with those feelings? throw them away. Even now convincing myself he was just being dramatic.. but it hurts me because I know he was sad, but after all, maybe it was just because he hates to lose people, not necessarily because he wanted me“-

– the same theme post breakup as in pre-breakup (“what do you love about my personality? like me specifically apart from othersI don’t feel seen“, July 29, 2023). Seaturtle needs to be seen as a uniquely superior individual, apart from all others,  one in a category of one.

I am thankful that we can communicate so honestly. I am seeking a therapist but often I feel therapists are afraid to set their patient off, so they avoid very confrontational conversations, but that is what I want and need. I don’t want someone to tell me I am always right… I want to get stronger and open this third eye as wide as I can! even when it is hard“- we didn’t talk about the cage for a while, where F placed hatch.. away, 1 in an cage of 1. Does hatch associate freedom with being 1 in a world of 1 (still 1, apart from others, but outside the cage, seen by all)?

anita