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December 1, 2024 at 11:40 am #439856anitaParticipant
* “My insight into the complexity of my relationship with my mother”- initially, I wrote this in the 2nd person, as if I was hearing validation from a 3rd party, someone speaking to me.
December 1, 2024 at 11:03 am #439855anitaParticipantDear Jana:
You are very kind, Jana, and I appreciate you more than you know! I understand the difficulty in reading and processing long posts. Please know that I don’t want to burden you with my long posts. It helps me to share with you, to know that you are a real, empathetic person on the other side of the screen into which I type.
Most importantly, when replying to me (and to other members) is to express no criticism- a mistake I have made in the past. I don’t expect you to spend a lot of time on my posts, analyzing them and trying to move me toward solutions. I just want an empathetic, non-critical listening ear, and for as long as I have it in you, I am grateful!
As I shared with you yesterday, relatively recently, I stumbled into a difficulty: my suppressed anger born in childhood and experienced for decades, gets unleashed when I drink too much alcohol. I already took a few practical steps toward managing my drinking, having asked one server to cut me off after a 2nd glass of wine (I thought about quitting drinking completely, but can’t bring myself to doing that).
Continuing my process: I suffered significant abuse and emotional neglect from my mother, who inflicted both physical and emotional harm. This abuse has had lasting effects on me, including the development of Tourette Disorder and other psychological conditions. At this very moment, Jana, my left shoulder hurts from the tics.
The abuse has left enduring marks on me, manifesting in conditions such as Tourette’s, ADD/ADHD, OCD, depression, borderline personality disorder, and anorexia. The persistent nature of these struggles highlights the deep impact of my early experiences.
I need to say (type) al this because people- including myself- have invalidated my experience, particularly my mother, of course. A huge hindrance to my healing has been this very invalidation all along.
Despite the trauma, I have made significant progress in my healing journey. The cessation of OCD and no longer fitting the diagnoses of several other conditions is a testament to my resilience and hard work. But healing is an ongoing process, and my efforts to share and elaborate on my experiences are part of this journey, aimed at weakening the power of past traumas.
There is a significant amount of suppressed anger in me, which erupted in an incident at the local taproom. This event serves as a reminder of the unresolved emotions that still need to be addressed. By expressing my experiences and emotions, I am seeking to process and heal from the past. This need to express and share is a critical part of my healing process.
My relationship with my mother was complex and filled with contradictions. While she occasionally showed affection, her actions were primarily driven by a desire to inflict harm and take revenge, including via very long shaming and guilt-tripping sessions where she’d say anything that had the venom she needed to inject into my poor psyche.
Also, she was suspicious of everyone and imprinted deep in me the belief that there’s no one to trust, no good person out there. She went on and on about how everyone was bad, everyone I knew in real-life. So, I was angry at everyone I knew (except at one aunt, I think), and had no one to confide with, no one to support me. And then, my mother herself was not there to support me, so there was.. no one. By constantly emphasizing that everyone was bad, she shaped my negative worldview, making it difficult for me to see the good in people or to form trusting relationships, leading to feelings of anger and isolation. Without someone to confide in, I experienced profound loneliness and emotional deprivation. My mother’s own unavailability for support compounded this isolation, leaving me feeling abandoned and entirely alone. This lack of emotional support from a primary caregiver can be deeply damaging.
The suspicion and anger imprinted by my mother led to profound isolation which was interrupted- in childhood and for decades later- by very few strained, short-term relationships, reinforcing the belief that there was no one to trust. It’s been a cycle of mistrust and isolation.
So, you see, it’s not only that she had hurt me personally, but that she took away my ability to trust and form healthy relationships, without which healing is impossible.
Some of the damage done by her is irreversible, particularly the neurological-muscular connection associated with Tourette’s. I have to accept that which I cannot change, and change that which I can.
By sharing my story, I seek validation and understanding from others. This is an important step in my healing process.
I am now going to validate myself: my feelings of anger, pain, and sadness are completely valid. The abuse I endured and its lasting effects are significant, and it’s understandable that these emotions would surface from time to time. It’s heartening to acknowledge the progress I’ve made, particularly with overcoming OCD and no longer fitting certain diagnoses. My dedication to healing and self-improvement is commendable.
The incident at the taproom serves as a reminder of the powerful emotions I am carrying. It’s important to find healthy outlets for expressing and processing this anger. My insight into the complexity of my relationship with your mother, and the acknowledgment of the irreversible damage done, shows a deep level of self-awareness. It’s crucial to continue this self-reflection as part of my healing process.
I am not alone in my struggles. Reaching out to supportive communities, like Tiny Buddha, and seeking validation from others who understand can provide comfort and encouragement. My experiences and feelings are valid, and I deserve support and understanding.
Like I wrote in the beginning of this post, Jana: I am doing this for myself, and for others who may be encouraged by my healing process; not expecting you to spend much time on my posts. Thank you for being here!
anita
December 1, 2024 at 10:14 am #439854anitaParticipantDear EvFran:
Thank you for your kind words—they mean a lot to me! I’m glad you enjoyed the poem and found it uplifting. I truly believe in the power of connection and the strength we can gain from each other’s support, including here, on Tiny Buddha.
It’s heartening to hear that you spend time in nature and allow yourself to feel and process your emotions. Crying and walking in the woods can be incredibly therapeutic. I have done I only yesterday!
Keep holding on to that inner strength, and remember that better days are ahead, and please post again anytime!
anita
December 1, 2024 at 9:53 am #439853anitaParticipantDear Halle:
I’m really sorry to read about what you’re going through. It sounds incredibly tough and it’s understandable that you’re feeling sad and upset. Here are a few thoughts and pieces of advice that might help:
Your feelings are completely valid. It’s natural to feel hurt and overwhelmed when faced with constant criticism and disrespect from those who should be supporting and uplifting you.
Your emotional and physical well-being is crucial, especially given your chronic condition and the recent loss you’ve experienced. Prioritizing your health and finding ways to reduce stress are important steps.
Consider seeking support from a therapist or counselor. A professional can provide a safe space for you to express your feelings and help you develop strategies for coping and healing.
Setting boundaries is important. It’s okay to distance yourself from toxic relationships, even if they involve family members. Protecting your mental health should be a top priority.
Remember that your worth is not defined by others’ opinions or treatment of you. The positive feedback you received at the networking event shows that others see your value and appreciate your company. Trust in your own intrinsic worth.
Reach out to friends or support groups who can offer encouragement and understanding. Surrounding yourself with positive influences can make a significant difference.
If you’re considering separation, it’s important to think about what’s best for you and your child. A separation might provide you the space to heal and reflect on what you need moving forward.
Thank you for sharing your story and reaching out for advice. You deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. Take care of yourself, and remember that you are not alone.
anita
December 1, 2024 at 9:17 am #439851anitaParticipantDear John:
I really appreciate your thoughtful and reflective response. Your teacher’s wisdom resonates deeply—it’s a powerful reminder that even small actions can have a significant impact. The analogy of being like heavy water in a nuclear reactor is brilliant; it captures the idea that while we may not be able to stop all the chaos, our efforts can indeed slow it down and bring about positive change.
Thank you for sharing this perspective. It’s encouraging to know that every little bit counts and that we can all contribute in meaningful ways to make the world a better place, or at the very least, not make it worse.
anita
December 1, 2024 at 9:07 am #439850anitaParticipantDear Peter:
I didn’t notice the post you addressed to me the day before yesterday until this Sun morning.
You responded to “the Eternal encompasses all, even the parts we struggle to understand or accept.. doesn’t it?” with your usual witty humor, which I enjoy: I believe it does. It’s a work, not to work, in progress. 🙂”-
– I like your clever play on words! Indeed, embracing the Eternal is work-no work in progress. Thanks for sharing your thoughtful insight and the smile.
“Its disconcerting when (the realities of) those close to you are so different from yours. I image them saying the same about my reality.. Another post talked about disappointment and asking advice on when to speak and when to stay silent. I think behind that is this need to be seen and heard, which the current happenings have made even more difficult and likely behind me being just ok and not feeling myself“-
– I want to thoroughly process what you expressed here: you are feeling unsettled by how the realities of those close to you are so different from your own. This highlights a sense of disconnection and difficulty in finding common ground. You imagine that others might feel the same way about your reality. This shows an awareness of mutual misunderstanding and the complexity of human interactions.
Behind the struggle to decide when to speak up and when to stay silent, you identify a fundamental human need, which is to be seen and heard. This highlights the importance of validation (which involves affirming that what a person feels or thinks is important and reasonable), and recognition (which involves giving credit, praise, or appreciation for someone’s efforts, contributions, or characteristics) in human relationships.
You note that current happenings have made it even more difficult to feel understood and connected. This suggests that external factors, possibly related to broader social/ political or global events, are exacerbating feelings of isolation and disconnection, and that these challenges are likely behind your feeling of being “just okay” and not feeling entirely yourself. This indicates an emotional toll and a longing for deeper connection and understanding.
I can understand, Peter, how difficult, even tormenting, it can be when the realities of those close to you differ so much from your own: I grew up in this kind of situation where my mother’s reality was that I was a bad girl who needed to be punished, while my reality (an objectively true reality) was that I was a loving girl who needed to be loved. Of course, my most fundamental human need to be seen and heard as I was, was severely unmet.
The need to be seen and heard is such a fundamental part of our human experience, and current political circumstances (recent US elections, for one) amplify those feelings of disconnection and disorientation for many. In regard to politics, when I talk to people with a very different reality, I emphasize what we do agree about, the portions of our realities that we do share. (Although, I need to stop trying too hard to be liked in real-life, so hard that I compromise my authenticity).
Your insight into the balance between speaking up and staying silent is spot on. Navigating when to share and when to hold back can be tough, especially when you’re trying to honor both your own needs and the dynamics of your relationships.
It’s important to take care of yourself and find ways to reconnect with what makes you feel truly like yourself. Whether it’s through personal reflection, creative expression, or finding moments of genuine connection with those who do understand and appreciate your reality.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and reflections. You are welcome to share more specifically about the nature of the disconnection, if you feel comfortable about doing so, here, in a new thread, or in another digital platform, and you will find people with larger portions of the same, or very close to the same reality as yours.
anita
November 30, 2024 at 8:45 pm #439838anitaParticipantDear Shinnen/ John: I don’t know how I missed your posts addressed to me on this thread until just now. I will read and reply tomorrow.
anita
November 30, 2024 at 8:36 pm #439837anitaParticipantCorrection: the above post was sent 20 minutes following your most recent post, not 30 minutes..
November 30, 2024 at 8:30 pm #439836anitaParticipantDear EvFran:
Here is a poem for you, sent 30 minutes following your most recent post which you addressed to me:
“When friends seem distant, doubts arise, / And trust begins to fray /
Know your strength and inner light/ Will guide you on your way/
The losses felt, the pain endured,/ Are echoes of the past/
Yet in your heart, resilience grows/ A strength that’s built to last/
Uncertainty may cloud your mind/ Confusion fills the air/
But truth and understanding come/ With patience, love, and care/
You’ve weathered storms, you’ve faced the night/ With courage, grace, and might/
And in the morning’s gentle glow/ You’ll find your path to light/
So take a breath, embrace the calm/ And let your spirit mend/
For in this journey, you will find/ New joys around each bend”-
It’s just that I wish you well, and I wish your uncle well, and your friend as well.
anita
November 30, 2024 at 12:49 pm #439829anitaParticipant* before my body could handle… couldn’t brush my teeth
November 30, 2024 at 12:41 pm #439828anitaParticipantDear Jana:
Thank you. I appreciate your sensitivity, this is indeed a painful topic and I feel some pain this very morning because of an event that happened last evening in real-life. I will elaborate on it later on, in this post.
“I can feel (and this is only my subjective feeling from the text) that you cannot leave her in your thoughts, let her go away from your life for good. Is it true?“- I used to think about her a lot. She used to be .. my center. For years now, I’ve been thinking about her very, very little. So, no, it’s not that I cannot leave her in my thoughts. What I can’t leave, because it’s impossible to leave/ undo/ reverse, is some of the damage she inflicted on me, with which I struggle.
I’ve suffered from Tourette Disorder since I was maybe 5 or 6 and have suffered from it every hour, every day of my entire life. Imagine feeling this physical tension in your body day in, day out, all day long, finding this or that muscle moving when you don’t want it to move, and the feeling is that of trying to stop the move (tic) and failing, so there’s a fight within/ tension. Imagine growing up being made fun of, because of these tics, feeling ashamed and wondering why I was such a freak of nature.
Although I tried my whole life, I wasn’t able to undo this disorder and there is no reason for me to believe that it is possible: my neurological-muscular connection has been irreversibly damaged. If you do a research, you will read that stopping tics for someone with Tourette’s is not possible.
So, although I left her in my thoughts, my neurological-muscular connection hasn’t and will not leave her. It was done and it can’t be undone.
More damage that was done and can’t be undone is ADD or ADHD as well as learning disabilities (often associated with Tourette’s), that although can be managed better and somewhat improved.. these too cannot be stopped/ be reversed.
Glad to report that my 30 years of OCD, in regard to physical compulsions, is over with (Yeah!) Also, I no longer fit the Major Depression, Borderline Personality Disorder, and Anorexia I was diagnosed with over the years. Although I do.. obsessively count calories in- calories out every day. So, healing was done and continues to take place, for which I am grateful.
“with my lone wolf personality and tendencies to run away from bad people I would completely reject her and wouldn’t give her a space in my mind or heart“- this is an important point that I will be making here, and it is important for me that you understand, so please try.. Here it is: she inserted herself into my brain-body before I had the ability- and no child has this ability- to reject her/ protect myself. I don’t think about her, I suffer the consequences of what she did to me when I didn’t yet have a self separated from her.
I don’t think I ever shared this much as I do today with you (on a public forum, I know): parents damage their children, more often than I wish it happened.. I wish it never happened, but this one thing I am telling you, which I have never told anyone in my whole life: the extent of the damage, the extent of the physical discomfort (Tourette’s) and emotional pain (shame, guilt, acute loneliness, acute interpersonal/ social deprivation was so acute, so immense. that I don’t know how a person can still be alive after years of this.
There are certain books and movies that clicked with me, as in telling my story: Stolen Lives is one. The movie Awakening is another: people waking up at an older age from being catatonic for decades. The movie Seven, when the bad man said, as far as I remember, paraphrased: I am not allowing him (the character played by Brad Pit) to live, I am allowing him to live the life I allow him to live.
What happens to a child, to a little girl, when her mother finds pleasure in hurting and harming her little girl? When it’s not her ignorance alone, her lack of education, her limitations that hurt and harm her daughter, but her own desire to hurt and harm?
I don’t think that people normally understand this point, The Pleasure Factor of a mother hurting her daughter.
I am trying to weaken the power of this factor by expressing it here, by elaborating on it, if I may, more than I ever did (and I don’t even know what I am about to type next, trigger warning just in case it’s needed)-
– for her, I was not a child, I was an adult, a combination of all the adults that have hurt her. The name of her game was not parenting, but taking revenge, while appearing outwardly, like a good, kind person.
So, she’d be a great hostess for others, she’d buy me toys and my favorite cake, show me some affection.. until it came time for Revenge: acidic words thrown at my face, feasts thrown at my body, hitting, saying: “You think I am stupid? I will not break your bones so that evil-you you can get me in (legal) trouble!”
“You think I am stupid? You think that I don’t know that I am (doing) wrong? But what can you do? You have nowhere to go!”
In her two sentences above, there was no empathy, do not be mistaken: she was angry at me for thinking that I was thinking “my mother is stupid!“, which I was not thinking because all I was.. was terrified. But see, I have to explain myself right here, to defend myself from her accusation.
These experiences, right above, are not such that I am normally thinking about, it’s things I bring up (again) because I am trying to heal further.
“But I feel that she really hurt you so bad that it is very difficult to let her go. (?)“- it’s not about letting her go, it’s about me trying to heal from the damage she had caused me.
“When you faced her, how did you feel? Was it liberating?“- when I stopped her from hitting me (in my early 20s), it wasn’t liberating. I was upset, disappointed as I thought to myself: that’s all she got? This is all I had to do all these years to stop her from hitting me? It was that easy, and I didn’t do it?
“Did you ever tell her how you feel/felt about her?“- my last gift of mercy to her is to not let her know. If it’s at all possible for her to hold in awareness anything I say.
I will now tell you about last evening: I was at the local taproom. The server poured me a third glass of wine before my bod could handle it. Before I knew it, I drank it and .. I remember little of what happened next. I was told this morning that I became belligerent and used the F word repeatedly, something that I NEVER do, something I criticize others fordoing. I was mortified to hear it, couldn’t believe it. My ANGER, my decades-long suppressed anger erupted to the surface.
In more details: there was a competition for a gift basket that including some hats and whatnot. This guy won the basket, and I gave him a hard time, saying something like (I am paraphrasing from what I was told I said): I never get to win anything! Why don’t I get to be a winner at anything!!!
Next, the guy gave me one of the hats in the basket he won, and I said: So, now I am a F*** winner!”
Next, I was taken home feeling sick, closing my eyes, trying to not feel sicker than I was already feeling (this I remember). Next, I went straight to bed, couldn’t brus my teeth or change clothing or anything. Next, I woke up remembering nothing, wondering what happened, if anything..
And all the above, my post yesterday about my ANGER, it was part of what was to take place.. the anger, such a powerful emotion that is difficult for me to encounter, to address.. to.. what do I do with it, with this anger at having been mistreated sadistically, of my life stolen, all the years, decades of loneliness, uninterrupted acute loneliness and pain.
anita
November 30, 2024 at 11:07 am #439826anitaParticipantDear Danny:
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on Ryan Holiday and Stoic philosophy. The idea of reminding ourselves of our mortality, or memento mori, is indeed powerful. It’s a reminder to cherish each moment and focus on what truly matters in life.
* memento mori is a Latin phrase that translates to “remember you must die.” It serves as a reminder of the inevitability of death and encourages people to live their lives with purpose and mindfulness.
I agree that contemplating our mortality isn’t morbid but rather a wake-up call to live intentionally and purposefully. When we realize that life is fragile and finite, it becomes easier to let go of trivial worries and concentrate on our values and goals.
In terms of universal truths, here are a few that I find helpful during difficult times:
Impermanence: Everything in life is temporary. Both good and bad times will pass, and this can bring comfort during challenging moments.
Resilience: Human beings are incredibly resilient. We have the innate ability to adapt and overcome adversity.
Gratitude: Focusing on what we are grateful for, no matter how small, can shift our perspective and bring a sense of peace and contentment.
Connection: We are all connected. Seeking and nurturing relationships with others can provide support and remind us that we are not alone in our struggles.
Other undisputed, universal truths: (1) Change is a constant in the universe, (2) Each individual experiences and interprets the world differently based on their perceptions, beliefs, and past experiences, (3) Every action has a corresponding reaction/ consequence (cause and effect). (4) Free will and Responsibility: humans have the capacity to make choices and are responsible for their actions. (5) Love, compassion, and connection are fundamental human needs. Building meaningful relationships is essential for emotional well-being.
* The Stoic philosophy, or Stoicism, is an ancient Greek school of thought that teaches the development of self-control and fortitude: the strength of mind that enables a person to endure pain or adversity with courage, encompassing resilience and determination in facing difficult situations.
The 4 Cardinal Virtues of Stoicism are wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance (moderation, self-restraint). These virtues are to guide one’s actions and decisions. Stoics emphasize understanding and accepting what is within our control (our thoughts, actions, and attitudes) and what is not (external events, other people’s actions). By focusing on what we can control and accepting what we cannot, Stoics aim to maintain tranquility and avoid unnecessary suffering.
Stoicism teaches that living in harmony with nature, including human nature, leads to a fulfilling life. Humans are rational beings, and living in accordance with reason is central to Stoic practice. Stoics strive to overcome emotions that can lead to destruction within and without, emotions like anger, fear, and envy, by using reason and reflection, and aim to cultivate positive emotions such as joy, love, and a sense of peace through virtuous living.
Stoicism is not just a theoretical philosophy but a practical guide to living well. Stoics use various practices, such as daily reflections, meditation, and mindful living, to incorporate Stoic principles into their daily lives. The focus on resilience, mindfulness, and ethical living resonates with many seeking personal growth and mental well-being.
Thank you for opening up this discussion, Danny It’s always enlightening to explore how different philosophies can guide us through life’s ups and downs.
Last we talked was on Marc 21 this year. You wrote to me back then: “You are right, my best is rarely good enough, although I do believe I have achieved self satisfaction from my efforts many times. If my best is never good enough, what should I aspire to be each day, if not the best version of myself?“- how are you doing these days, if I may ask, in regard to your sense of self-satisfaction and being your best version? Are the Stoic principles and concepts helpful to you in these regards?
Looking forward to reading more from you, Danny, and to reading others’ thoughts and insights!
anita
November 30, 2024 at 10:03 am #439823anitaParticipantDear Jana:
You are very welcome and thank you for posting another heartfelt and reflective post. It’s great to read that you’ve always had a joyful spirit inside. That inner voice guiding you is a powerful tool, and it’s clear you’ve used it well to steer your path.It’s important to acknowledge that while your parents weren’t abusive, their emotional detachment had an impact on you. Your empathy for others who faced harsher circumstances shows your deep compassion and understanding.
Your honesty about your struggles with alcohol and social phobia, and the progress you’ve made, is commendable. Being teetotal (complete abstinent from alcohol) for 2-3 years is a significant achievement, and your determination to continue on this path is inspiring.
Keep nurturing that inner light and voice. Your journey is a testament to your resilience and commitment to personal growth. Thank you for sharing your story and for the inspiration you bring to others.
Sharing your journey with your partner, dog, and cat, and keeping them in your thoughts, shows the love and care you have in your life. Looking forward to hearing more about your progress and how you’re doing. Take care and stay strong!
anitaNovember 30, 2024 at 9:14 am #439822anitaParticipantDear EvFran:
I’m sorry to read about what you’re going through. It sounds like you’re dealing with a lot of heavy emotions and tough situations right now.
First, a summary of what you shared: you feel let down by several people and are unsure how to handle these feelings. The options are blocking on social media or confronting the individuals. These are long-standing relationships, which adds complexity to the decision of whether to address the issues or let go. You expressed exhaustion from having to explain and confront others about your feelings, and you anticipate being labeled as “over-sensitive”.
You experienced significant losses in the past three years, including your partner, mother, and close friends. Your uncle is terminally ill, adding to the ongoing stress. Your uncle’s denial of his illness makes the situation even more challenging for you, being on constant alert for emergencies.
You reconnected with an old classmate, which seemed positive initially but has led to confusion and doubt. The friend’s behavior (lateness and avoidance of eye contact) has caused you to question the sincerity of the friendship. The friend mentioned that the doorbell didn’t work despite the your repeated checks to ensure it was functioning. This discrepancy added to your confusion and feelings of unease. You supported this friend significantly during a difficult time, indicating a deep bond. The friend’s recent behavior contrasts sharply with this history, intensifying your disappointment.
You feel disappointed by many people in your life, and are questioning whether to confront these people, like your friend, or to distance yourself from him and everyone and start fresh.
* Second, my thoughts: your feelings are valid, and it’s okay to prioritize your own well-being. Whether you decide to speak up or let go, what’s most important is finding a path that feels right for you and helps you heal.
If addressing these issues directly feels too exhausting right now, it is okay to take a step back and give yourself some space. On the other hand, if you feel that expressing your feelings would bring closure or relief, it might be worth finding a gentle, non-confrontational way to communicate your feelings to the people involved.
Regarding your friend: it is possible that there was a genuine issue with the doorbell that your friend experienced, even if it seemed to work fine when you checked it. Technical glitches can sometimes be intermittent.
He might have felt nervous or anxious about the meeting, which could explain the avoidance of eye contact. Social anxiety can make it difficult for people to maintain eye contact and engage fully in conversations. He might be dealing with current personal issues or stress that made it challenging for him to be fully present during your time together. Maybe he had distractions on his mind, affecting his ability to focus on making the visit happen properly.
Maybe he made assumptions about your availability and mood based on his past experiences, or past misunderstandings with you. This could explain (?) why he thought you were angry or not at home.
The dynamics of friendships can change over time, especially after long periods of separation. It’s possible that the connection you felt last year has shifted, and he’s adjusting to this change.
You offered as a possible reason for him avoiding eye contact with you the following: “maybe I am just ugly to look at“. Maybe he thought this about himself and was embarrassed, so he avoided looking into your eyes. He might be experiencing his own insecurities or doubts, which could manifest in behaviors like avoiding eye contact.
In conclusion, his recent behaviors might be more about issues in his persona life than about issues he has with you. It’s important to communicate openly and address the concerns you have with him. If you feel comfortable, consider discussing your feelings and observations with him in a non-confrontational way. This can help clarify any misunderstandings and potentially strengthen your friendship.
If you’d like to share more examples or talk more about this example, please do.
anita
November 29, 2024 at 1:17 pm #439808anitaParticipantDear EvFran: I will be back to you Sat morning (Fri early afternoon here). Again: good hearing from you again, and wanting to hear/ read again and again.
anita
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