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May 22, 2025 at 9:34 pm #446240
anita
ParticipantAbout me caring about you so deeply- this is the legacy of my whole life- caring about you so very deeply, Ima. Yolanda Ben-Shabat- Shlesinger, her name. Yolanda Ben- Shabat- May your memory be a blessing.
This caring is in the core of me. A caring- dissociated, and then- reconnected.
An Undying Love.
Yes, I Love You. I love you.
Yes, I love you, oh.. oh.. Love, love you (listening to the Moody Blues)
My mother, Ima- no one means more to me than you do.
And yet, you don’t know.
I don’t know how to get over this, how to.. Let Go.
I think I’ve been writing these things, hoping someone reading will connect me to her, connect me to the core of me: someone to hear me, someone to understand me.
Who are these people who understand me? Alessa, I think.
Yana (Jana) is gone. I miss her. I will probably never hear from her again. I am sad.
I will miss you, Jana.
anita
May 22, 2025 at 8:28 pm #446239anita
ParticipantJust a note before I begin journaling—
I am here, in my thread, to continue healing, little by little. Journaling—especially stream-of-consciousness writing—works for me. That doesn’t mean I believe you, dear reader, should approach healing in the same way I do.
If what I share here troubles or bothers you, please feel free to skip reading it.
(I think I will start each of my posts on this thread with the above).
It’s time to fully validate myself. Time to reconnect with what was once dissociated.
Lately, there are things that bring me fear. As Alessa mentioned in another thread, I choose not to share certain personal details—out of respect for the people in my real life.
Fear has shaped much of my life. My earliest fears were twofold—fear that my mother would kill herself and fear that she would kill me. Since, psychologically, I had not yet separated from her in early childhood, those fears felt indistinguishable—one and the same.
That fear consumed me—first as a child, then as a teenager, and still as an adult. It held me captive, stalling my growth in countless ways—cognitively, emotionally, and practically.
In the last ten years, I have experienced so much healing that I am no longer the person I once was. I am not the depressed, desperate, spaced-out version of myself that I used to be. This is why I believe so deeply in healing—because the way I experience life now, especially in the last few years, is profoundly different from how I did before.
Yet, amazingly, there is still so much more healing to be done. The thing is, I know there can never be a happily-ever-after ending to healing—it is a continuous journey. Healing never truly ends, and I find meaning in the never-ending process of learning, growing, and becoming.
Being Trapped in Yesterday is a result of self-invalidation. The more I validate myself, the freer I am.
And now, Self-Validating, reconnecting Stream of Consciousness (inner-child speaking):
All I wanted, ever since my mother labeled me BAD- was to be GOOD.
I tried and tried and waited and waited for more than half a century (and that’s a long, long time) for my mother- this one person- to relabel me GOOD.
She never did the relabeling.
I feel a vast emptiness in my heart right now.
And I heard recently that she, at 85 or so, is very, very old indeed. She can never stand straight, she is permanently stooped over, and is stubborn and dizzy and deteriorating cognitively.
So, you see, she will never relabel me anything. She is dying.
My mother, the most important person in the world, is dying.
And she will never know that I loved her and she will never love me any more than she ever did, which was a very, very limited, conditional and abusive-kind of love.
Coming to think-feel about it, I lost her many, many years ago, when she was still young and standing straight.
It’s just so very difficult to let her go, even after having had no contact with her for so many years.
There is a part of me that, just now, wanted to reach out to her and make things right, the two of us- mother and daughter, now.
I am not feeling angry at her. How could I feel angry at an old, stooped over woman.
Mommy, Ima- so may years, decades- it is hard to say goodbye, goodbye to my hope that you will to here for me, on my side.
My Attachment for you lasted for so very long.
You meant so much to me.
It’s a big chunk of my heart that has been yours, for so long.
And you never knew. Couldn’t see it.
I love you, Ima. I wish you knew. I wish you were able to know or care about me caring about you so very deeply.
anita
May 22, 2025 at 6:36 pm #446238anita
ParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you so much for your kind words and encouragement. It truly means a lot to me as I navigate this journey. Your belief in me gives me strength. ❤️
I’m really glad to hear that this work has helped you in such a profound way. That’s reassuring and inspiring.
Also, I wanted to say—I missed seeing you in the forums since your last post. Your presence and insights are valuable, and I hope you’re doing well.
Sending you warmth and gratitude.
anita
May 22, 2025 at 12:44 pm #446232anita
ParticipantYou are welcome, Peter. Thank you 🙏😊💙
anita
May 22, 2025 at 11:22 am #446230anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
I just wanted to add—there’s no pressure in what I said above, no expectation that you need to respond in a certain way or even agree with me. I know words of acceptance can feel unfamiliar, and I don’t assume they will land smoothly.
I meant only to share my truth, as simply as I could. And whether that feels right to you, strange, or somewhere in between—I respect that.
Whatever path you take, I hope it brings you ease.
anita
May 22, 2025 at 11:08 am #446229anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
As someone who has struggled with self-doubt for so long, I deeply appreciate moments of absolute confidence—moments when I know something to be 100% true. This is one of those rare moments:
If I have the privilege to communicate with you further—here, or even in real life, if that ever happens—I will never, ever try to change you in any way, shape, or form. Not even the slightest bit, not even disguised as a recommendation for improvement. Nothing.
“By change, I mean a shift in core personality traits or deeply held beliefs about myself. Transcendence as transformation – becoming something other than me.”-
Just yesterday, I wrote in my thread: “I like you, Peter, just the way you are!”
Not that my words have the power to make you like yourself. I am humble.
“The therapy of re-processing issues from the perspective of my younger self has been useful, revealing new information, thoughts, feelings, even a kind of healing. But not change, at least not in… the way I once hoped.”-
Therapy helped you understand yourself better, but it didn’t make you like yourself, did it?
“Hinduism & Advaita Vedanta Core Idea: The true self (Atman) is already perfect… Buddhism… No Need to Change: You don’t need to fix yourself… ‘You are perfect just as you are.’ Kabbalah… No Need to Change: The essence is already divine… Christian Mysticism Core Idea: The divine image (Imago Dei) is within every person… Taoism… No Need to Change… No-thing to change, no-thing to fix.”-
And then, there’s Anita’s-ism: “I like you, Peter, just the way you are! I think you are the bee’s knees 🐝✨ No one like you!” (May 21).
Poem: As You Are
I do not ask the wind to change, nor the river to take a different course.
I do not ask the stars to burn any brighter or darker than they are.And so, I do not ask you to shift, to mold yourself into something new.
You are not a puzzle to rearrange, not a question needing an answer.I will listen, I will be here— not to shape you, but to see you, as you are.
That is my promise. I am able to keep this promise.
anita
May 22, 2025 at 10:02 am #446227anita
ParticipantI read further that healing from trauma involves not just processing the painful experiences themselves, but also addressing dissociation. Trauma is the original wound. It’s the event(s) that caused emotional pain, fear, and distress.
Dissociation is the survival response. It helps a person cope by disconnecting from overwhelming feelings and memories. While it serves a protective role, it also keeps parts of a person’s experience locked away, making full healing difficult.
If dissociation remains unaddressed, it can keep you emotionally disconnected from your own truth—making it hard to validate your feelings, trust your experiences, or fully integrate your past into your present self.
Healing means reconnecting:
* Learning to feel safely instead of pushing emotions down.
* Bringing awareness to dissociation so you can recognize it when it happens.
* Trusting that your emotions and memories deserve space and acknowledgment.
* Rebuilding a sense of wholeness, where your past, present, and emotions all feel connected rather than fragmented.
— I never realized that healing from dissociation is part of healing. I don’t remember this ever crossing my mind. It’s not only the trauma that needs to be healed, it’s the response to the trauma (dissociation) that needs to be healed as well.
Back to reading: dissociation is meant to be a temporary response to trauma—an instinctive defense mechanism designed to help someone survive overwhelming emotional distress. However, in some cases, dissociation doesn’t fade after the trauma is over. Instead, it becomes a persistent or even chronic pattern.
Temporary Dissociation occurs during or immediately after trauma (e.g., abuse, violence, extreme fear). The brain disconnects from the painful experience to reduce suffering, creating emotional numbness or a sense of unreality. This can present as feeling “zoned out,” detached from emotions, or having gaps in memory surrounding traumatic events.
Once safety is restored, dissociation gradually fades, allowing emotions and awareness to reintegrate.
Ongoing or Chronic occurs when trauma is ongoing (e.g., childhood abuse, chronic neglect). The person never had a chance to process or resolve the trauma in a safe way. Their environment reinforced dissociation—for example, they were encouraged to “not think about it” or suppress emotions. They didn’t develop other coping strategies, making dissociation their default way of handling stress or discomfort. In this case, dissociation can persist for years, even decades, leading to Chronic detachment from emotions, relationships, or reality, Feeling numb, disconnected, or unreal often or all the time, Difficulty trusting memories or experiences, leading to self-invalidation, and Emotional “flashbacks” where past trauma feels present, but without clear memories.
anita
May 22, 2025 at 9:26 am #446224anita
ParticipantHow are you, Arie?
anita
May 22, 2025 at 6:19 am #446208anita
ParticipantHow are you, iloverain?
anita
May 22, 2025 at 6:03 am #446207anita
ParticipantHow are you, Heather?
anita
May 22, 2025 at 5:46 am #446206anita
ParticipantHow are you, Michelle?
anita
May 21, 2025 at 10:10 pm #446205anita
ParticipantIt’s not necessarily that the enraged-within person is intentionally putting on a mask so to deceive. The person may be trying her best to find refuge in a presentation of calm, in a philosophy of peace.
But the Rage Within doesn’t buy it.
I know the rage-within very well, seeing it in my mother, over and over and over and over again.
And within me, a burning fire.
It will set anything and everything on fire until it is recognized.
So, here, I am doing the recognizing.
No words for the recognizing, only Fire Burning.
Burning Fire has no language, no words.
BURNING
BURNING
R.A.G.E
My mother’s RAGE- nothing I (and how could I) could have controlled. It was too strong, insistent, stubborn, POWERFUL.
Do not underestimate the rage of the meekest, weakest person- there is unbelievable power in the RAGE of the WEAK.
Rage in the meekest is RAGE.
I remember my mother fondly now. I miss her as always.
Her Rage- oh, that was when all hell broke loss.
Always the victim’s fault. My fault. She’d tell you she was my victim, that I was the villain, a five year-old villain.
She’d tell you, at 84 years-old, a very old woman. My mother.
She’d tell you that her 64-year-old daughter is still as always the Villain.
Oopsie, did I reveal my age?
But who is reading.. It’s amazing how alone I am here. ANYONE reading? Maybe one, maybe two.
Still, I am grateful for having this opportunity, this outlet to Express.
I just wish someone was reading.
anita
May 21, 2025 at 9:23 pm #446204anita
Participant*** I like you, Peter, just the way you are! I think you are the bee’s knees 🐝✨No one like you!
* As far as the future goes, my mindset is to live one day at a time, and I embody this philosophy. I really don’t plan for the future. I don’t imagine a future. It’s just this day, this evening, this night.. Oh, surprise! Another morning, Yeah!
I carry trauma within my body every day, every hour of each day and night when I am not sleeping, in the form of tics- the flight-or-fight response trapped within my body, muscles running with nowhere to go. Muscles twitching, movement trapped. It feels like physical tension and there’s pain when I twitch a certain muscle too often. I can’t help it. I can’t stop it.
I tried to stop it. It is Impossible. it’s been going on since I was 5 or so, every single hour that I am awake. It feels really good to not twitch, the moments I don’t. It makes me think how fortunate the many who do not twitch really are, but they (you) don’t know it. If you knew the difference, you’d be ecstatic that you don’t have these tics going on and on and on.
Not to mention having made fun of for twitching as a child, a preteen, a teen, a grown up.
The current people in my life don’t make fun of me. All are genuinely nice about it. Thank you!!!
I had a long, meaningful talk with a woman I like very much this evening, in real-life. She’s about my age and has been anxious since she was a child. But no tics, none whatsoever. Yet her anxiety is ongoing. She rarely looks calm.
I talked a bit with a younger man and with an older man, 76 years old. Have known him for years. He is the one into whose yard I ran when I accidently sprayed my face with pepper spray months ago, using his water hose to water my burning eyes.
This is Community, and it is so very important to me. It means Everything.
The people in my life, in real-life, are good to me. I am fortunate.
Oh, I was going to talk about this topic: Suppressed Anger.
My mother suppressed her anger, putting on a facade of calm and peace and generosity until she couldn’t take it anymore. She would then EXPLODE. Her anger exploded and all hell broke loose. Similarly, there has been a person in my life, online, who had a suppressed anger problem as well, presenting a facade of calm and peace and generosity.. until she couldn’t take it anymore, and then, she exploded in her own way. I tried to accommodate her, to please her.. all in vain.
With some people there’ll always be an explosion, sooner than later. No Win with some people. The Only Solution is Distance (OSD, if you will).
The facade- my mother’s, others’- call it what it is: a mask, masking temporarily the Suppressed Rage Within.
anita
May 21, 2025 at 11:06 am #446202anita
ParticipantI came across something I wrote on another thread, back on Oct 9-10, 2023 (minor editing follows): I got caught up in so much anger at my mother that I .. forgot that I ever loved her. I remembered only recently… When in contact with her all those years, I was in a war-mode state of mind in which anger was a needed emotion, serving to survive the war. Love was dangerous because it is a motivator for the prey (me) to get closer to the predator (my mother). And so, love was pushed down, buried under my awareness while anger filled my awareness.
After years of no-contact, after being sure (I promised myself this) that I will never be in contact with her again, no matter what, the anger dissipated just enough for some of the early-life, buried (immense) love for her to partly seep back to my awareness.
For years, I thought that I was the center of her world. I believed that because she told me so (that everything she does, she does for me, etc.) But in her mind, there was no sight of me other than a thing to feed, clothe, treat when sick, etc.
I remember very little of my childhood. If a film was to be created by connecting the visuals that I do remember, the film would last a few minutes. I suppose this is an indication that I dealt with the situation by being dissociated. My awareness was minimized. I remember feeling very scared during one night (at 5 or 6 years old, I think), and I remember often feeling very depressed and wishing to die.
For the longest time I thought that this entity in front of me (my mother) was good and I was bad. Bad for making her angry. Bad for causing her pain. Bad for not rescuing her from pain. Bad for feeling angry at her. I was caught in an ongoing state of Conflict: feeling very sorry for her and wanting- more than anything in the world- to make her happy. AND, on the other hand, hating her.
She TOLD me that I existed as the center of her world, that everything she did, she had me in mind. So, I believed her, yet her behavior was nothing like what she said. When people were around, she treated them well and she treated me like I didn’t exist. And when I was alone with me, when she was NOT angry with me, she’d talk at me, just a constant barrage of words and no matter how much I wanted her to stop talking, she wouldn’t stop. No place to hide.
My experience with her was like a 3-dimensional person trapped in 2 dimensions, can’t breathe, in desperate need of that 3rd dimension. I have been in no contact with her for a decade and never will be, so I can breathe.”-
Emotionally entrapped, suffocated.. This explains my tic of audibly, quickly taking in air, as if there is so little of it.
What she told me was not true. I was not the center of her life, far from it. It was the other way around: she was the center of my life.
My love for her was- is not about who she is, or has been for me. It’s about who I am.
I can see the importance of uncovering this love, expressing it here. It is about expressing the core of who I am: a deeply loving person. I want to nurture this part and be more loving to other people. And to myself.
anita
May 21, 2025 at 9:59 am #446201anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
“What does a hurt feeling feel like? The space between emotion to feeling to a measurement, label, judgment… it’s the breath-thin space where mindfulness lives…”-
Without words like hurt, how can we possibly communicate here? All we have to connect us are words on a screen. But I do understand—words can limit, reshape, or even distort emotions.
What does hurt feel like to you, Peter?
I tried to experience the feeling of hurt just now. My mouth turned downward, my lower lip extended forward—like a child’s hurt face. And the feeling itself? It was like an emotional wound. It simply hurt.
“A criticism of Krishnamurti who was himself accused of being too clever with his words and paradoxically path to love was though negation, Emptiness, Kenosis, silence the undoing of words – what I think of as non measurement.”-
To move beyond intellectual constructs and allow reality to be felt rather than analyzed. I suppose, in this context, it’d mean that I will type something like this: “I feel tired right now, the left side of my body is hurting because of the way I am sitting. I just changed the way I am sitting and it hurts less. I am a bit hungry. My left shoulder just twitched. I can hear my pulsative tinnitus”,
Instead of something like “I feel tired right now. It must be because I didn’t sleep well last night, or not long-enough because I was at the computer doing my stream of consciousness after midnight. I wonder if I should stop drinking wine… I wonder if I should get another brain scan to check if some blood vessel in my brain is blocked after all, causing the pulsative tinnitus. Or maybe not, if I die- I die. I can’t believe I just said that.. am I depressed?”
“In the space between emotion and feeling were feelings hurt?”- I believe cognition is always intertwined with emotional pain—hurt, shame, guilt, fear, that it’s a matter of extent—how much cognition exists between raw emotion and the experience of feeling.
“No one that knows me would think me clever though as I have expressed before I have been accused me a lacking feeling, that my communication style and personality type is lacking, a way to avoid feeling… I don’t disagree, sadly its a core part of who I am. A trigger where I fill the space with a suspicion I’m not suited for relationship, something I fear my history confirms.”-
What if you rewrote the above using the words a 5- or 7-year-old might use? It could be a powerful exercise in connecting—both inward, with yourself, and outward, with others—in a deeper, more raw way, through straightforward self-expression.
I’m imagining myself as 7-year-old Peter right now, rephrasing it like this:
🧒 People say I don’t feel things. They say I don’t talk like other people, like I don’t show my feelings right. Maybe they’re right. I don’t know.
🧒 Sometimes I think I’m not good at being with people. Like something’s wrong with me, like I can’t get close to them the way I should. I look at my life, and it feels like proof. And that makes me sad.
“Funny when I saw this topic the first thing I wrote was a warning to myself, that any discussion into insignificance would only stir up existential angst and likely not end well.”-
But even with that warning, you still chose to engage. That tells me you care about these questions, about exploring meaning, even if it’s tough.
🧒 I thought about this stuff before, and it made my tummy feel weird, like something wasn’t right. I told myself not to think too hard about it, or it would feel bad again. But I still did. I don’t know why. Maybe I can’t help it. Maybe I need to know, even if it makes me scared.
There’s something tender in that version, something simpler—but still holding the same truth. What do you think, Peter?
anita
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