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August 15, 2026 at 11:50 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460367
anitaParticipantGood almost- noon time, Nea:
I was in an hours-long process of answering your last 2 posts when I had to get off the computer, and here I am on the phone.
I’ll complete that post when I’m back to the computer, but for now, summarizing what I wrote there in the simplest language:
Your father and my mother are struggling people, so fragile inside that they can’t endure any amount of criticism, challenge or shame.
The feeling of shame is uncomfortable for everyone, but for them- any bit of it is intolerable.
So, I understand the inner working and empathize with them. At the same time, the impact of their behavior is very harmful for those who care about them.
So, by intent, they’re only protecting themselves (from intolerable feelings of shame), but by impact, they’re harmful and abusive.
If I was you, Nea, I would never leave my daughter with him without being there to supervise. Otherwise, she’ll be his next victim- again, not by intent- but by impact.
How to co-exist with him?
No amount of submission will do, no amount of accommodation will do.
And no way of helping him or changing him.
You just have to.. well, to not live with him, and then limit visits in time and place, so that you can leave whenever the time is right, and.. I suppose, pray for him, because practically, there’s nothing you can do for him.
More when I’m back to the computer.
Anita
August 15, 2026 at 12:04 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460364
anitaParticipantYes, I just submitted you another long post. Better you read it in the morning. It’s just after midnight here, good night đ
August 14, 2026 at 11:55 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460361
anitaParticipantHi Nea:
* I’m adding this after completing this message: this may be too much. Please feel free to not read or stop reading at any time. No need to respond if this is too much *
I am back at the computer and can look things up:
Strategic Empathy means he can perform empathy when it benefits him, using ’empathyâlike’ behavior to manage his image, and showing restraint only in relationships where consequences exist.
Instrumental Empathy means empathy used as a tool to achieve a goal: to gain approval, avoid conflict, maintain reputation, and control how others see him.
Another term you might feel useful is Selective Restraint. This describes how he controls himself only when he fears consequences, wants to maintain a certain image, avoid looking bad, or appear reasonable.
Real empathy includes * Curiosity â you want to understand another person’s inner world, * Responsiveness â you adjust your behavior to reduce harm, * Consistency, * Accountability â you care enough to change harmful patterns, and * Nonâperformance â itâs not about image, approval, or control.
Real empathy is felt, not calculated; it leads to change, while strategic empathy leads to performance. Real empathy shows up in private, while strategic empathy shows up in public.
Nea, about the words he used against you and your husband, phrases like: âbitchâ, âshut the fuck upâ, âget the fuck out of my houseâ, âyou donât fucking know anythingâ, âfucking piece of shitâ, âIâll show youâ, and âassholeâ- That’s dominance language.
These words mean: ‘I am above you.’, ‘You have no right to speak.’, ‘Your feelings donât matter.’
‘I control this space.’, ‘I decide who is allowed to exist here.’
‘I will crush you if you challenge me.’, ‘I will escalate if you donât submit.’
He uses these specific words because they degrade, humiliate, silence, intimidate, and trigger fear and compliance.
His phrase âIâll show youâ is especially important. It means: ‘I will escalate.’, ‘I will overpower you.’, ‘I will punish you for not submitting.’, and ‘I will demonstrate my dominance.’
His âget the fuck out of my houseâ means: ‘You exist here only by my permission.’, ‘I can expel you at any moment.’, ‘Your presence is conditional on obedience.’
His âyou donât fucking know anythingâ means ‘Your perspective is invalid.’, ‘Your voice has no weight.’, ‘You are beneath me.’
His words are weapons designed to silence, dominate, intimidate, humiliate, and maintain control.
This is not a ‘difficult parent.’ This is an abusive one.
And his financial generosity is part of the control structure, not evidence of goodness. Many abusive or domineering parents are financially generous because it maintains loyalty, dependence, image, and power.
Children of abusive parents often say: ‘He (or she) can be generous.’, ‘He can be charming.’ etc. This creates confusion because generosity feels like ‘proof’ of goodness. But his financial generosity does not cancel out the nameâcalling, the intimidation, the humiliation, the threats, the emotional volatility, the dominance language, the lack of accountability, and the absence of genuine empathy.
It is entirely possible â and very common â for someone to be financially generous, socially charming, publicly restrained, and still be emotionally abusive, domineering, unsafe in private, and harmful to their family.
As I’ve been typing this message, Nea, I’ve been feeling this heat in my face, anger, as in: ‘How Dare He?’
Your father and my mother have a lot in common. Although they’re not the same.
I have images of my mother, memories of her face- kind, loving, warm. Big brown eyes. I have memories of the hurt on her face and in her voice, and me swearing I will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to fix her hurt, to make her feel better.
I remember her in private, thoroughly shaming and humiliating me any way she could until she was exhausted and yet in public: charming, pleasing, ‘good’
In cartoons the bad character is 100%, unequivocally bad. In real life, the bad parent is (simplified) a former innocent, hurt child.. and you can see remnants of that innocence and hurt in the abusive adult they turned out to be.
Anita
August 14, 2026 at 9:31 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460360
anitaParticipantContinued:.
What you wrote in the last paragraph: “Even now… I can immediately start thinking about his feelings… whether he’s hurt”-
All I thought about growing up was what my mother felt, how hurt she was. I wasn’t thinking about my feelings because emotionally, I was fused with her.
It took me a long time to understand that who I imagined my mother to be.. was heavily influence by my imaginings, my wishful thinking, my unmet needs.
Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dudu Confused đ
“It’s hard to believe how bad she took it..”- that’s what happens when an old injury gets trigerred and bleeds into the present.
Somebody lied to her real bad, and your tiny, panic-driving lie opened that wound.
The now paused (at the least) relationship doesn’t look promising to me because (1) the distance, (2) the first troubled irl visit, (3) the second that didn’t materialize.
I’m afraid that if the 2 of U got back together long- distance, she’d treat you like a ‘suspect’ and you’d have to walk on eggshells so to not go back into the guilty “Narcissistic ass****” category she had placed you in, a category where you don’t belong!
I would love to be wrong, and maybe I am.. but that would take a whole lot of real, honest, ongoing work.
What says Confused?
đ¤ Anita
August 14, 2026 at 8:33 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460358
anitaParticipantGood evening, Nea đ
I find our conversations very interesting and glad to have them. I hope that we’re helping each other- as peers, regardless of our age difference.
Particularly when I’m using my phone, like now, I like to scroll up, quote a sentence or a few from your message, share what it brings up for me, then scroll up again and repeat. It helps me think more clearly (undoing many, many years of confusion).
“He clearly can exercise restraint, empathy and consideration in some relationships… I have seen that he is capable of (resteaint, empathy and consideration)”-
I think that he is capable of performing empathy. It’s called Strategic Empathy, or Instrumental Empathy, which is aimed at managing his social image, or promoting his personal interests.
Where’s the Genuine Empathy during years and decades of seeing his wife and his daughters suffer, and yet not caring to change anything about his behaviors so to protect the three of you?
“She has always had much more of a ‘don’t tell me what to do’ personality, and she also went through a very dark period with her mental health when she was younger. I think that some of what happened frightened my parents enough that they became much more cautious about how they approache her. My dad can simply be different with her”-
I don’t know your mother’s emotional motivation. She may have been genuinely concerned about your sister’s mental health.
But when it comes to your father, I imagine that what he was scared of was what a daughter’s visible mental health problems would do to his social image.
That she was able to come up with a ‘don’t tell me what to do’ personality may have developed because she was allowed the freedom to develop it, or to maintain it.
I am guessing that he wasn’t afraid that you, Nea, will make him look bad because you didn’t visible display mental health problems.. ?
At this point, because of what you added in the message I’m responding to, I’m thinking that maybe your father is not dangerous at all because physically and detectably (!) injuring his daughters, his wife, or his son-in-law would make him look bad.
I will continue later.
Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused: got to get away from the computer for a few hours, I’ll be back in the evening. Please be good to the precious Confused!
August 14, 2026 at 1:45 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460354
anitaParticipantContinued:
* I’m adding this after I completed this short message: if the following is too upsetting to you, please feel free to not answer. If our conversation- exploration promotes your Clarity and Calm, that’s a good thing. Please let me know.
“My dad began swearing, calling him names”- what did he say, what names did he call your husband.. humiliating, crushing names?
You mentioned verbal abuse that he directed at you into your adulthood. Did he call you names as well?
I’m asking not to pry but to understand the extent of his cruelty.
* I don’t suppose you or your husband ever called him names or ever heard anyone else call him names to his face?
There’s much more that you shared, but sometimes when there’s so much, we don’t give enough attention to some things as they get swallowed in multitude of details and such.
I forgot the great majority of the humiliating, crushing words my mother used against me but I so clearly remember this one: “You’re One Big Zero!”
Anita
anitaParticipantHUGE smile on my face as I’m looking at the photo.. It’s absolutely beautiful and placed together in the box with so much love.
It’d take a cold, cold đ§ heart to reject this gift.
“Was that panic-lie so big..”- definitely not by intent. How it landed for her. What old wounds it opened- I don’t know. And/ or she used it as an excuse to cancel the trip that caused her anxiety.
“I know sheâs a person that once she leaves she never looks back.”- you know it because she told you so that one time?
đ¤ Anita
anitaParticipantEva, Iâm truly sorry for how much pain youâre carrying. What youâre going through is heavy, and your feelings are real. I want to be honest with you in a caring way: Iâm going to step back from offering detailed responses, because I noticed that my messages arenât really part of the process youâre in right now.
I genuinely wish you clarity, steadiness, and relief from all this hurt. I hope you find a path that brings you peace and a sense of being cared for.
đż Anita
August 14, 2026 at 12:00 pm in reply to: Realizing the ways my recent ex hurt me–how do I avoid growing resentment? #460349
anitaParticipantHi again, Mitch:
Iâve been thinking about what you shared, and I just wanted to add one thing that feels important.
When someone realizes they gave more than they received in a relationship, itâs very common to look back and wonder why they didnât stand up for themselves sooner. But that doesnât mean you did anything wrong â it means you cared, you tried, and you stayed connected in the only way you knew at the time.
You werenât supposed to âknow betterâ back then. You were doing your best with the emotional tools you had.
If any of this feels true for you, youâre welcome to share more whenever you feel ready.
Anita
August 14, 2026 at 11:13 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460347
anitaParticipantGood morning, Nea đ
I’ll try to answer my own question (in the message before last) by quoting your words from your last message and thinking out loud:
“His perspective has generally been that he only explodes when other people escalate or provoke him, rather than recognizing that how he responds is ultimately his responsibility”-
So, he doesn’t have to watch for how he behaves because his behavior is someone else’s responsibility.
A child growing up with this attitude is likely to feel responsible for his explosions and become hyper aware of his moods, so to try and prevent future explosions.
This hyper awareness is related to empathy. For example, you may see hurt on his face, feel very sad for him, and rush to make him feel better-before his hurt turns to anger and an explosion.
This dynamic explains the combination of a parent who severely lacks (1) personal responsibility in regard to his explosions, and (2) empathy in regard to how his explosions affect his child/ wife/ others,
And
A child feeling overly responsible for the parent’s explosions, as well as overly empathetic for how the parent feels- so to calm the parent and prevent the next explosion.
In other words, in this dynamics, it’s not a responsible and empathetic parent that produces a responsible and empathetic child.
I’ll continue a bit later.
đż Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused â¨ď¸
I hope I can open the attachment when I’m at the computer (couldn’t when using the phone).
The letter, the photos and seashells you sent her, 2 of them pierced into a necklace with words inside them-
Wow, Confused.. how thoughtful, how loving â¤ď¸
I feel special for being 1 of 2 people who know about this side of you đ
I think it’s a good idea to not send her the message when you’re dreading her reply.
“All those gestures are just flowing with her… all of a sudden everything vanishes and I feel indifferent and distant, my eyes turn cold and my gave cruel”-
The image I am having is of a heart opening and flowing, and then closing, sealed with fear, hurt and anger.
Like it says: ‘Oh, oh, I’m gonna get hurt, she’s gonna hurt me where it’d hurt the most đ˘ => 𤏒
What thinks Confused?
đ¤ Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning, Dear Eva đ
You thought deeply and you’re clear about what you need from him.
I wonder if he ever gave you just a tiny bit of what you need?
Did he ever tell you anything like:
‘I was mean to you and you didn’t deserve it.’
Or:
‘You were so fair and good to me and I did you wrong.”?
Did you ever notice just a bit of sadness expressed on his face or in his tone of voice when you told him that he had hurt your feelings?
đ¤ Anita
August 13, 2026 at 11:43 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460337
anitaParticipantI would like to be back in the morning (close to midnight here) đ
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