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anitaParticipantGood Morning, Confused ๐
No, Lu didn’t answer your thread before. Lu is a new account established yesterday, and her replies are 100% AI- generated.
In the past, at times, my replies were also 100% AI-ed, meaning, I copied a member’s post or series of posts and asked (Copilot) to analyze and reply for me.
I thought I was being helpful, but as I read Lu’s AI- ed replies, I decided to never do that again because it doesn’t feel right to be on the other side of it. I mean, if I, as a member in the forums, submit a post about my struggles, I expect real people to answer. If, on the other hand, I want AI’s input, I can get it directly.
… Oh, my goodness, Confused! I didn’t read the second part of your message until just now. Hmm.. She’s clearly not over you in the sense of feeling indifferent or being done with having any contact with you.
And she’s sufferring ๐
How are you feeling about this latest communication with her..?
๐ค Anita
August 18, 2026 at 10:44 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460460
anitaParticipantGood Tuesday Morning, Nea ๐
“There’s this constant feeling that we’re the ones who are supposed to apologize and make things right, especially culturally because they’re older”-
Culture that says: respect your elders no matter how they behave is the perfect setting for a no- accountability, safe and socially protected environment- for abusive elders.
I am reminded of the examples you gave me some time ago of the words your father used against your husband. The repeated F word comes to mind (using my phone, I can’t go back and look at them)-
Not befitting an elder.
Respect should be a 2 way street, a basic human ethic. Not a circumstantial variable where a child (your father as a boy) was disrespected/ abused by his elders, and then grows up to disrespect/ abuse his own children because now, it’s his turn.
If this is culture, then it’s a culture of generational cycle of disrespect and abuse.
Can you imagine you or your husband continuing this cycle by using the F word against your daughter, charging at her, threatening to hit her or kick her out of the house (.. but only if she ‘deserves’ it and needs to be put in ‘her place’)?
Anita
August 17, 2026 at 10:56 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460447
anitaParticipantHi Nea:
I apologize. I was wondering today why you didn’t reply to me. I totally forgot that I wrote “Back 2 U in the morning” at 11:48 pm last night. Red wine last night and I forgot. And I wondered today if our communication was too much for you and you withdrew.
The quality and intensity of what we’re talking about is something else. I don’t come across people like you. I’m so glad you posted tonight, to let me know you’re still here.
Back to your last night post:
“And yes, my husband truly did see my dad as a father figure. He really looked up to him. He would try to do things for him, especially emotionally, and I think for a long time he genuinely tried to see the best in him.”-
And he did so as an adult. Imagine how much you- as a little girl- looked up to him, would try to do things for him, genuinely trying to see the best in him (your father).
In a way, your husband, as an adult, experienced what you did as a child, condensed in a short time.
I will make a big note on my screen to get back to you tomorrow.
Feel free to post more, I’ll still be at the computer for a little while.
Anita
August 17, 2026 at 10:18 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460446
anitaParticipantOh, my goodness, Nea.. I forgot to get back to you this morning? That’s so unlike me… I’ll write more in a moment.
anitaParticipantHi again, Shinnen:
I’d like to share with you what your posting brought up for me:
Before I read your explanation, and after my first reply, I remembered how angry and frustrated I used to get when I was told to “get over” my childhood, (which to me, is very similar to being told to “let go”.)
I couldn’t get over the childhood that damaged me so, nor could I let go of the hurt and shame, guilt, anger and confusion that resulted from that childhood.
Not because I was stubborn and refused the ‘simple’ act of letting-go/ getting-over it, but because to heal- even partly- one has to walk through what happened (not over), and to let in real clarity about what happened- rather than release (let go) of what is not yet seen clearly.
Is what I shared here relevant to what You’re talking about?
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Confused:
I hope that Lu answers you again and that the 2 of U have a conversation here ๐
“I think it’s mostly to escape my existence”- I don’t understand. Can you explain?
She said: “I was convincing everyone that U are different than most men, how stupid I was”-
It’s clear that she had a very negative experience with men, either directly or by proxy of others. An example would be: her mother was cheated by men, told her daughter about it at length, and she (daughter) absorbed her mother’s experience as if it was her own.
This means, seems to me, that it was just a matter of time before you fell into the “like most men” category of hers.
How are you feeling, Confused?
๐ (๐ just because) Anita
anitaParticipantB back 2 U later, Confused. Please take a break from thinking about it all, listen to some music, watch a movie.. some distraction for now
anitaParticipantSo good to read from you, Tom! I’m glad that the enforced time off with your loved ones (Hollie and the ๐ถ) was good. I am fine, thank you, having 2 ๐ถ๐ถ with me right now, Bogart and Kurby.
Coming to think of it, I felt a bit negative earlier, before reading your post, and you saying that you continue to try and be positive- reminded me that I can do the same and.. my mood improved, thank you ๐
๐ฟ Anita
anitaParticipantThinking about you, Girija
anitaParticipantHey ๐ Dear Confused:
I hear how hard this is for you โ the emotional intensity you felt, the shutdowns, the obstacles, and the fact that the practical part never had a chance to develop. It makes sense that youโre trying to make sense of all of it from different angles.
About her telling her parents and going silent โ that does point toward her moving on, and I know thatโs painful to accept ๐.
As for the panic lie, her reaction doesnโt erase what the connection meant at different times. But right now, sheโs choosing distance, and thatโs the part youโre having to face, whether she misses you or not.
Anita
August 16, 2026 at 11:51 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460414
anitaParticipant“I spent some nice quality time with my husband. Iโm just focusing on that and being happy for my baby girl!”-
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August 16, 2026 at 11:48 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460413
anitaParticipantGetting close to another midnight…
“Feels incredibly awkward.”- it felt A.W.K.W.A.R.D when I stepped out of my mother’s emotional lane and into my own emotional lane.
Like.. wait, this is strange, new, uncomfortable. (I was so sickly adjusted to her lane).
“And yes, my husband truly did see my dad as a father figure”- I feel so sad for him.. and for the child- you because you saw your father as “a dad”. That word, “dad”, like “mom”, suggesting someone safe, dependable.
Back 2 U in the morning.
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused ๐
I hear what youโre saying โ that in your mind, choosing her and planning a future together felt like real commitment, even before meeting irl. And I understand that for you, that was the highest level of commitment possible at that stage.
At the same time, what Iโm trying to help you remember is the difference between emotional commitment in your head and the practical, everyday commitment that only happens when two people actually live together and build a life side by side. You didnโt have that part yet, and neither did she. So, when you get emotionally carried away now, it helps to keep that distinction clear.
Regarding defensiveness, it makes sense. A lot of people react that way when they feel misunderstood or pressured.
Any news social media wise? When should your beautiful gift package get to her?
Anita
August 16, 2026 at 9:43 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460408
anitaParticipantHi again, Nea:
You wrote last night: “I can love my dad, acknowledge the things he has done for me, love and support my husband, and still recognize that their relationship is ultimately theirs.”-
I think that’s excellent insight: their relationship is ultimately theirs. Not for you to supervise, monitor or fix.
I have no doubt that you love your father ever since you were a little girl.
“I can love my dad; acknowledge the things he has done for me”- and acknowledge the things he has done against you.
You wrote today: “I donโt have to force everyone back into the version of ‘normal’ that makes me feel temporarily safe”- Wow, Nea, I love this insight!
That temporary- safety, what was it like for you?
From my earlier post, about “adult differentiation”: “It means you donโt merge with (his) emotions. You stay in your own emotional lane”.
I didn’t live in my own lane. I lived in hers and it was sincerely terrible to live in her volatile, explosive lane. My healing- changing is not about fixing her lane but stepping away from it and into my own lane.
Anita
August 16, 2026 at 9:13 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460407
anitaParticipantContinued:
* My mother carried so so much shame inside, that it was only a-matter-of-time before something about the other person triggered the shame and led to an explosion of one kind or another.
Certain expressions on my face, nothing that I could monitor or control, trigerred her shame and led to punitive explosions. My eyes looking in the ‘wrong’ direction was enough.
I remember only a few years ago, I was sitting on a dental chair, having my teeth cleaned by a physically big female dental hygenist who was humming pleasantly as she worked.
Although she placed sharp metal things in my mouth, I was relaxing into her humming, feeling safe, like I could trust her that she won’t hurt me. I could depend on her. Nothing bad was about to happen.
If only I had a mother like that.. a mom.
Next, moving to the computer.
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