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June 20, 2015 at 1:21 pm #78520SannParticipant
I’m getting quite frustrated and a bit desperate about work lately.
Went to college, studied social work because i had a very strong feeling of injustice on small and large levels, and was eager to help other people. I failed my last year twice – internship – and realised that i had a lot of problems within myself that i should work on first. That’s now 10 years ago, and a few times of hospitalisation (diagnosed with, amongst others, Borderline personality disorder), a few other jobs and jobless times, later, i feel i’m going more and more nowhere. The jobs i did were quite random, packaging in a factory, administrative help in a school, librarian-assistant. In neither of them i was very happy and they didn’t last for very long. The library job was the longest, i did that for 2 years, then it was getting bad again, my boss started to be unhappy about me (actually, i and almost other collegues weren’t happy about her behavior and style either), and my old anxieties and depressive patterns were coming back. I quit that job and started travelling, an old dream which i didn’t think anymore, i would manage. Travelling by volunteering mainly. Learned a lot of things there, but also lost touch of myself, because staying in other peoples’ places, for me means, that i make myself invisible.
After the travel, i tried to settle in a country i dreamed of since a while. i still feel i’m not settling at all, i live completely isolated.
I have worked for a few very short periods and lived off my savings for long periods. Now i’m working again, as a cleaner in a hotel, since a few months, and i shouldn’t go back to live off my savings – wouldn’t be wise to burn all of them.
I am still having a lot of issues with myself. Still a lot of self-loathing, self-sabotaging, extremely low self-confidence, i’m trying to do something with those issues, learning myself new habits, but that seems to go slow.
This work makes me very tired, so i’m not having much time left to do things for myself. And it is not very stimulating: cleaning toilets and making beds the whole day. Also from the tiredness, all of my old familiar self-hatred is getting its grip on me again, and i seem to slowly be sinking into it a bit more and more.
I wonder if working more than part-time is maybe just too much for me, but i don’t have the luxury, in my own country i had sickness dole when i couldn’t work, here of course, i don’t have any of that.I still hope – but i seem to be losing that hope quickly – to do something that i like, something that gives me fullfillment and something interesting and useful. But i still have to find out what i like, i’d have to learn about it, and the main things is probably: i don’t have the confidence in myself, that i really COULD do something like that. So i don’t think it makes sense to even consider going back to school or anything as long as i’m in that state of mind…
Since many years, i wanted to learn about herbalism. But i never really did anything with that intrest – i never tried much to get to know plants, to read or to try out things.. i just kept thinking about it. I always explain that by saying that it is me having difficulty to do what i really like, that i don’t allow myself that, that i’m always running to ‘what has to’ that i don’t have energy left for myself. Undernourishing myself as a way of self-harming. But is that really true?
If i haven’t done anything for so long, maybe it just means that it is not my passion, that i’m not really motivated…?I find it hard to imagine myself, working in such jobs for years or for the rest of my life. Because it makes me more and more stupid and more and more blunted out (i don’t know if that’s english, i hope it’s clear what i mean). Just feel like slaving away for others with very little rewards, and that is my life anyway.
But maybe some people are just not capable, or not meant to do more than that?
And, so many people have to do those kinds of shitty work, to sustain themselves and their families, so why should i complain and want something more – another sign of my arrogance…?Would appreciate any input, even though my story is the same as that of many others…
June 20, 2015 at 10:09 pm #78551Aurora BorealisParticipantAre you seeing a therapist for your BPD?
This is an important step towards recovery. CBT, DBT and changing your mindset.
I’ve known some high functioning people with BPD but it needs a clear focus in order to manage the situation as well as continued effort.
Undernourishing and self-sabotaging behavior is a vicious cycle. I don’t want to give you suggestions because I think you might already have heard plenty in the topics on self esteem, confidence, career changes, anxiety etc…I strongly suggest seeking help on a regular basis because it seems you need someone to talk to in person, and it might be useful to read some of the articles on this website using those keywords that you are concerned with.
June 21, 2015 at 1:05 am #78553AlomaParticipantHi Sann,
I agree with Aurora Borealis.
Without seeing a doctor, someone for counseling or therapy, it’s hard to tell if your BPD is affecting how you view your circumstances, and has something to do with your school and work difficulties, and finding your passion. Give yourself a chance at finding your passion, and see someone about your BPD. See if they have services available at low cost for treatment where you live.
Counseling might also help you deal with your lack of self love and search for fulfilment. Rather than waiting for the ideal job and life conditions to happen for you to be happy, I would say you deserve to be happy right now. What can you do right now to be happy? Thinking this way empowers you. You don’t need to have a degree or wait for a herbalist job to be happy. You’re right, many people work shitty jobs to sustain their families. On the other hand there are also people who have prestigious jobs and financial resources and feel shitty inside.
You can’t always control your circumstances in life, but you can choose to love yourself in every moment, thought, and choice you make everyday. I think that will be more lasting and fulfilling than any job. Learn coping methods for BPD, and don’t be afraid to ask for help (from friends, family, faith community, or a community group).
Wishing you the courage to love yourself-
June 21, 2015 at 8:47 am #78563AnonymousGuestDear Sann:
I too was diagnosed with BPD. After years of effective therapy and healing, I no longer fit the diagnosis criteria. I found out that I dont HAVE BPD. There is no virus or bacterium called BPD. It is nothing but a combination of symptoms, a combination decided upon by psychiatrists for the purpose of inclusion in a book, the DSM, a book continuouy growing in width. The disorders are artificial combinations of symptoms, each with a name. Then people, I was one, OWN one or more… an idedentity and then go to a doctor for it.I found out that in the core I was and am a hurt, scared little child. I learned what happened to me when I was a young child, dependent, vulnerable, how I was hurt, how I was scared and not attended to, not helped. And I learned what happened, like a snowball that started with that original fear and hurt, it, the snowball grew and grew- through years of not healing and the resulting unskilled living, amassing more and more negative experiences- that snowball of hurt and fear grew to a variety of more problem, complications, more and more DSM diagnoses.
I don’t own those diagnoses. I only own that hurt and fear that started the ball rolling.
If you would like more of my input, please let me know. I will answer and respond to anything else you would like me to.
anitaJune 22, 2015 at 10:59 am #78636SannParticipantHi, thank you so much for your kind replies.
Aurora Borealis, yes i have a therapist. I went to her several years in my country, and now we skype. I don’t know if it would be better to have a counsellor where i live, in ‘real live’, but she knows me so well, and knows what i need, that i don’t want to bother to try to find a new one, and it takes me ages before i trust somebody new. Also it would be very hard to find someone as good, because my therapist is specialised in BPD and works with this therapy. I have had DBT (Linehan) in the past, but need to refresh a lot of things, which is what we will start doing now.
Thank you for your suggestion, I have read quite a lot of articles here and forumposts, but i tend to forget all this quickly when i’m not doing well. So i will have a look again at some things 🙂
Aloma, you put it very nicely ‘it’s hard to tell if your BPD is affecting how you view your circumstances, and has something to do with your school and work difficulties, and finding your passion. ‘
I think i need to bring this up with my therapist, right now there are other more urgent things playing, but think i might quote you when i’m ready to look at it with her. I don’t have such a good way to say things.And i guess you are right: i have many reasons to be happy with this job, and i do realise it, only now it’s getting a bit too tired for me and i’m getting impatient. But this job is enabling me at the moment to be in the country where i want, it’s good for me to have structure and purpose again, and all the collegues and bosses are very kind people, so i’m definitely happy with the place where i landed. And i agree with you, we have the option to go through our day with a smile and a positive attitute, or to complain and focus on the things i would like to have different. I will try to remind myself a bit more.
But i still would like to focus my energy on doing something what i like, because it could be good for my selfrespect and purpose, but i guess i’ll need to be patient and work on ‘surrounding issues’ first, and remember to smile in the meantime 🙂Anita, Thank you for your comment!
Well done, it seems you have worked a lot to face your hurt and to learn new coping ways, to come this far! Wow!
I would love to ask you loads of questions 🙂
I agree with your view about the diagnosis, it is not something that we are, and although it probably has its uses for therapy purposes (amongst others). The danger of this diagnosis is that we identify ourselves with it and that way block our chances for healing and to really change something. I try to avoid it, but i think i also tend to do that, think in terms of ‘i am a borderliner so i will have to accept that i am this and that’. But i agree with you, i am not a borderliner, but i do have to work on many things and learn a lot of things. My therapist if very good, but it is me who will have to do it of course.I like your way of describing it with the snowball, quite recognisable 🙂
It’s probably the most evident thing to ask, but would you like to tell me what you found helped you to deal with this hurt. And, i assume you had to learn a new way, instead of ‘unskilled living’ towards ‘skilled living’ – how was that for you? That seems so difficult for me because that means i have to really go against fears and certain very strong and rigid beliefs i have built up about myself – letting go of these beliefs feel make me so vulnerable and shaky.
Do you still struggle with these things, or do you find it all easy now? I mean, for example, sometimes i can manage for a while, let’s say a number of months, to be more mindful of the way i think about myself and focus on kinder self-talk and then sudenly, even when not much happens, e.g. a few days of more stress and it’s again all crisis and all self-hatred as much as you can – i probably don’t need to go into too much explanations. Do you feel that these kinds of things, have changed more fundamentally, or do you still have to be very, very careful not to step into those traps…?
Sorry if i ask to many questions, i’m interested to hear your story, as i usually only meet people with BPD who also just seem to be crawling in the mud.
Thank you very much for your reaction, and much respect to you to have come that far!!June 22, 2015 at 12:02 pm #78641AnonymousGuestDear Sann:
I will answer first the question: “Do you still struggle with these things, or do you find it all easy now?” No, I don’t find anything easy. But not as difficult, not as hopeless. I noticed this change: I no longer consider committing suicide. What a change that is! I finally acknowledged that I do care a lot about living, that I want to live and that all the time I consdered suicide- I still wanted to live, otherwise I would have ended my life. I realized that continuing to consider suicide is not honest- the motivation may have been not wanting to feel pain anymore and wanting help. the motivation was not to die.What has gotten easier is not exploding in anger anymore. I still get angry but I do not explode. “Do no harm” is strong in me.
I started feeling empathy to the man I married in 2010 (year later I started therapy). I started feeling empathy for him after therapy, a great time after therapy. I started feeling softer emotions. Instead of desperation and numbing I started feeling affection and appreciation. Instead of distrust- trust. Of course none of this would have been possible if my husband was a jerk. It so happens that he is very decent and wonderful, really.
Regarding: “you had to learn a new way, instead of ‘unskilled living’ towards ‘skilled living’ – how was that for you?”
First thing in therapy, 2011 (and having been diagnosed then with BPD) my therapist taught me Interpersonal Skills- a must so to keep my marriage which was then in great trouble. That was part of psychoeducation, very important. Practicing effective interpersonal skills was crucial to heal the relationship- over time- and make personal healing possible in the context of the relationship.
You asked: “do you still have to be very, very careful not to step into those traps…?” My life was very difficult during times of stress such as having to move- I was often homeless because i couldn’t get myself to move. Again, since i got married my husband took care of the housing situations and moving, so that took care of that. I use all my time to heal and my outside challenges are limited. I still get annoyed very often but I do talk to myself and I am learning- this very morning I practiced that- to share my feelings of annoyance with my husband in a responsible way, to not blame him, to not expect him to take away my distress. It is difficult for me this VERY day. I am exhausted and slept poorly after one of those annoyances. I am aiming at ACCEPTING all my feelings, including the annoyances (RAGES, previously) without negatively judging myself. I still feel shame over my negative feelings…
Crisis situations make everything worse for anyone, i suppose but for BPD- yes. It is time to take it very slow. Even today after poor sleep- this poor sleep is a cirsis of sorts.
My husband said I changes most significantly. He says- and I agree- that the diagnosis doesn’t fit anymore- the explosions are gone.
My latest challenge is that while I was getting off 17 years of heavy medications- most difficult- I developed seious eating disorders from restricting (anorexia-like, actually a psychiatrist did diagnose me with anorexia in 2012) to heavy duty binge eating. binge eating is a challenge more acute after poor sleep- it scares the hell out of me.
So, today is such a day where I am not as calm or optimistic as in days when I sleep well. But it is not as bad as before.
I hope I gave you some answers that may be helpful. Please ask more. Maybe I should wait till tomorrow and answer more quesions then after, hopefully better sleep…
anitaJune 27, 2015 at 12:15 pm #78908SannParticipantHello Anita,
Thank you so much for your reply!
And sorry for my late reply, have been in a crisis here, hard to get everything what you write and i like to read everything again when my mind is calmer.
As soon as i feel able, i will reply to you.
Just wanted to tell you, that i don’t want to be ungrateful – i do appreciate you sharing your experiences with me.
But i think that you probably know, how it can be when you’re in crisis.. -
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