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AlessaParticipantHi Miss Duchess
I’m really sorry to hear that your mother snapped at you for no reason. As you said, it sounds like she is taking out her feelings on you at the moment. You don’t deserve that, I really hope that she apologises! Does she ever do that? ❤️
Your mother isn’t perfect. You are thoughtful considering the pressure she is under. She was definitely wrong about you. ❤️
You might take a little while to warm up to people and trust them, but I think you’re really nice, insightful, self-aware and your positivity is refreshing. 😊 You have nothing to worry about, just keep on giving the right people chances to get to know you! I think you’re doing a brilliant job. 👍
Once again, my condolences for your dog. 17 years is a long time and they really are family. I hope that you take extra care of yourself during this challenging time. You deserve it! 🫂 ❤️
Good luck with choir! Please do keep updating me on how things go. ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Anita
I’m sorry to hear that your sister called you to let you know that your mother is dying and that some of her siblings have died too. Was that the uncle who was kind to you? ❤️
I hadn’t read your thread yet or I would have answered you first. ❤️
I hear that there are some complicated feelings for people whose abusers die. It sounds to me like you actually did your best to take care of your mother. But it’s not something that a child can do I’m afraid. Not your fault at all that you were a child who tried your best. ❤️
Sometimes people feel relief when their abusers die. I hope it is not in bad taste to say that I hope in part it might bring you at least some sense of relief for the horror to finally be permanently over one day. I only say that because you truly deserve peace. ❤️
Please be gentle with yourself in these difficult times and take extra special care of yourself and little girl Anita. You deserve the extra love and support. Despite the difficulties in your relationship with her, death is not an easy thing and can land in strange ways. ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Ann
I’m sorry to hear you have been having difficulties with your boyfriend. That’s never easy. ❤️
I’m sorry your holiday didn’t go very well. It sounds like you have some anxiety with water and you really did try. It is a shame that you weren’t able to handle the situation in the way that you wanted to. I think lots of people have difficulties when they are very stressed.
Perhaps your boyfriend doesn’t really understand the level of anxiety you feel sometimes? What do you think?
I understand the phone thing, I’m guessing he’s on it a fair bit? I tend to have a hard rule on dates no phone use unless it’s for work. People are really addicted these days and it draws focus when you are trying to connect. It’s honestly a bit of an uphill struggle and not worth the effort to try and encourage people to get of their phones otherwise. I just say hey I’m trying to talk to you when people get sucked in. Wait until they answer and if they don’t look at you say hey look at me, I’m trying to talk to you. I’m a savage. 😂
I can understand the stress you felt when you were overthinking his words about marriage. Do you think it’s fair to say overthinking? Perhaps you are used to trying to read into people’s words and work hard to notice their moods?
I feel like men aren’t really taught to communicate about emotions that well. You’re very articulate about your feelings. It might be hard for him to understand. Do you have anyone else to talk to when you have these worries?
Perhaps you and your boyfriend are both a bit overwhelmed at the moment?
I think you hit the nail on the head that you did move a bit quickly in the beginning. Maybe slowing down would help? Feelings are just feelings. They pass in time. Give yourselves some time to process and take care of yourselves. The more positive experiences you have the easier things will be. The more negative experiences the harder. Does that make sense? What do you think? Forget about my advice, what do you want from all of this? ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Peter
Thank you for sharing! As Anita said, beautifully written. There are no other words to describe it. ❤️
Some additional thoughts. I think that sometimes experiences shape our very being. Fear can become a state of being.
It seems to me that awareness is the antidote to this. Seeing it clearly can soften it a little, leading up to question if there is a better way? Giving us the strength and space to breathe deeply and allow it to pass. Perhaps coming back to things with a clear mind? All we can really do is try. ❤️
I’m fascinated with emotional contagion. It takes mirroring from theory to a practical reality. Human nature. Chicken or the egg? 🐓 🥚
AlessaParticipantHi Tee
That is a shame. I understand, you only get one spine and you have to be cautious when it is already damaged. ❤️
I hope that you can find someone who is available sooner rather than later. 🙏
Social work set it up, but back then they really didn’t care, sadly. The family was even already involved with social work at the time for their own daughter.
Yes. It feels like there is never the right time to share because other people always have something else going on that doesn’t put them in the right frame of mind to be able to hear me out.
I’m okay with people sharing their feelings. It is just when people are not really in a good mood or the right frame to talk, then it kind of feels like I don’t know… it’s hard to describe. But it doesn’t really leave much room for me does it?
What I mean is that I feel rejected when people don’t respond positively to me sharing my feelings. I know that people don’t see eye to eye sometimes and have different emotional experiences. It’s just a bit stressful when you don’t feel understood and also when you don’t understand someone else’s feelings. Part of it is my autism, because I do have difficulties understanding others sometimes unless they explain. I guess when things are a bit negative, it’s not easy to be curious about asking questions.
Thanks for your kindness and listening, as always. ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Tee
I saw that you got the results back and your disc herniated worse this time. I hope that recovery will not be as difficult too. 🙏 I can empathise with the knee issue making things harder. ❤️
My friend who has the herniated disc swears by his chiropractor. He found a really good one. Not every chiropractor is good though. It’s definitely worth asking around if you’re curious about trying it. Whatever you route you choose, I hope it brings you relief. I hope I’m not intruding or stressing you out. ❤️
Sadly, it wasn’t courage. I was just desensitised to being threatened with a knife and being hit. I wasn’t even scared because of what I’d been through with my mother.
Thanks, yeah I surprised myself and I was a little nervous because it was years since I had tried that exercise. It really does help though!
Ah well, we were all members of the same cult. That’s how we met. Members were encouraged to only spend time with other members, that’s how we became friends. Social worker was just really shoddy back then. They were looking to skip paperwork, cost of providing childcare, legal fees and protocol with informal adoption. Because they were family friends I was literally dropped off and social work never even bothered to get back in touch again.
I am thankful that I wasn’t alone. I didn’t feel able to cope on my own at the time.
Yes, it was easy to protect myself with my adopted family in comparison.
Honestly, it is okay. I don’t mind questions or misunderstandings. My life has been complicated. ❤️
Yes, that and I feel like I’m a bit impatient and get a bit anxious and frustrated waiting for the right time to discuss things. I prefer it when people are easy to talk to. ❤️
I think being a bit skittish around negative feelings just makes it feel like I’m not being accepted. But I realised recently that I’m not accepting the other person when I’m being resistant like that. ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Anita
I agree with Tee. That craving for someone else to save us can come from the same place that craves mothers love. But the only person that can save us is us. ❤️
I understand that it is a difficult exercise. It took me years to be able to do. ❤️
I remember sitting with my therapist in her office. We did it with empty chairs. I was too scared to talk to the idea of my mother. My therapist had to do it for me.
It might seem silly the idea of a therapist shouting at an empty chair imagining it was my biological mother, but it did bring me comfort.
I think you’re brave for trying! ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Anita
Fair enough. I’m glad you found your own way of doing things. ❤️
The purpose of the exercise Tee previously recommended is to help with flashbacks. So with practice when you have one you can take control of it and make it less painful by rewriting the memory and protecting yourself.
I’ve come to understand that PTSD is kind of a dysfunction of imagination.
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AlessaParticipantPlease let me know what you think? It is okay if the exercise isn’t your cup of tea though. I don’t want to pressure you. ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Anita
I’m glad to hear that you are having better days. ❤️
I hope I’m not intruding? I just wanted to share what my therapist recommended about the confronting exercises. She was very accepting of emotion. She was okay with shouting and swearing when the situation calls for it. So it is okay to confront with anger. The key is to imagine an adult you with a little you. The focus being on protecting little Anita. Confronting the mother is secondary. Because you wouldn’t want to fight in front of a child, that would be scary for a child. The goal is entirely to focus on what you would do to protect your child self. If that makes sense? You could pick a less stressful memory to start with. You definitely don’t want to start with a very difficult memory. ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Tee
Thank you for taking the time to understand. ❤️
Well I guess it depends how important the issue is to me. If it’s not that important I’ll just process it on my own. But if it’s important and requires discussion, I’ll wait for a bit until the person seems like they would be in a more receptive mood.
I can’t really discuss the specifics in too much detail, just because I’m being respectful to people in my life. I can only talk in more detail via email.
I would say for my brother it was mostly about not provoking my biological mother. She had a lot of strict rules that needed to be followed. My brother wasn’t really invested in following them.
For my adopted family it wasn’t to avoid provoking them. It was just they had no interest in taking care of my sister. Alcoholism was a theme in both families.
When I moved in my sister was being threatened with a knife by the stepfather and screamed at. I stopped that very quickly. I just said if you don’t stop picking on her I will report you to the police and you will be in jail so fast your head will spin. If you want to hit someone you can hit me, but you will end up in jail for it. Any just like that it immediately stopped.
She was also being verbally abused intermittently by her mother too. Mostly when her mother was drunk or having an episode.
I took care of my sister because we were friends beforehand and no one else seemed to care. There was also an expectation for me to help out because I was taken in. At that point it was pretty natural for me because I was looking after my brother before. I didn’t get too much of the abuse from the family because I would just walk away when they started on me. So I would mostly just get ignored for a couple of weeks which suited me.
I tried my best, but I wasn’t perfect by a long shot. I haven’t had contact with my brother since I left. I gave him my number but he never called.
My sister tries her best and grew out of her behavioural difficulties.
It’s okay, I don’t mind. I know you’re just trying to understand the situation. ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Tee
Thanks for listening and taking the time to understand. It is interesting breaking all of this down a bit more. ❤️
I think it’s a few things not just anger that I avoid. Rejection or even just not being listened to. Sometimes it is certain, sometimes it’s not. It is like you said, it feels pointless sharing if the person isn’t going to be receptive.
I wouldn’t say that I withdraw from the relationship. I tend to just retreat from conflict, manage my feelings and carry on as normal outside of conflict. I self-regulate pretty quickly as long as I don’t force myself to stay in the conflict. I don’t believe in stonewalling or anything because I wasn’t treat like that a lot as a kid. As long as other people are calm I’m quite happy to be around them.
I think the thing was these behaviours for me weren’t necessarily directly directed at parents. I was always the oldest child. It was always me looking after siblings with very little interaction from parents.
I learned to ignore parents and just focus on taking care of the house and siblings. I hoped that if I took care of things that there would be less interaction with parents. My siblings always had behavioural issues because of the abuse received from parents. My brother was violent. He was beaten very badly by our mother. I would try my best to protect him when he wanted me to.
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AlessaParticipantHi Tee
Thanks, you’re an angel. 😇
I’m quite happy to talk. I just wanted to let you know that you’re appreciated. ❤️
Yes, you’ve got the jist of it. 😊 I have some anxiety around conflict. I’m not very comfortable with people expressing anger and such.
If I feel like someone isn’t going to be immediately receptive, even if later on they change their minds. I have a bad habit of not sharing. I’m trying to work on it.
I think it’s shades of when I was younger, I used to actively try to manage others moods. But I realised that I was doing them a disservice by not encouraging them to develop those skills themselves.
I heard that all of these things are a trauma response.
I think it’s partly to do with being a parent because I wasn’t this avoidant before. It is just a lot of energy and draining. Arguing doesn’t really appeal to me anymore.
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AlessaParticipantI guess I would say that I just prioritise my boundaries in the moment and not try and talk things through. I try to talk things through later on. It’s just sometimes that talking isn’t immediately successful and that can hurt.
Hmm I just looked up guilt tripping and there’s quite a lot there. I hadn’t really thought about it. I would say that people do these things but it doesn’t really work on me. I’m quite impossible to budge. The more people try, the more I tend to dig in. It can be quite frustrating I imagine. I don’t really believe in harbouring feelings of guilt because I really struggled with that in the past. I feel like the best way is trying to act in ways that I’m proud of.
I feel like people depend on me being too understanding and over managing my emotional regulation to keep things off their plate which isn’t healthy. At the same time, I recently learned that retreating from conflict is a bit reactive. I’m trying to work on validating the emotion, not the action and being a bit more present.
It’s been nice talking Tee! I appreciate you. ❤️
AlessaParticipantHi Miss Duchess
I’m so sorry to hear about your family dog. These things are not easy. ❤️
I’m glad to hear that the choir is going well and you’ve been catching up with people. It sounds like your hard work is paying off. Well done for keeping at it. ❤️
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