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Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
I think the difficulty with severe abuse is that it causes structural issues – brain damage as well as deregulating the nervous system. It is not just that there is attachment. If only it were as simple as attachment.
I truly don’t believe that language is the issue. As I pointed out infants have a full grasp of language at 18 months, they even have memories that last for 9 months at that stage. Language is not the problem. Memory is not the problem. Sense of self is a cornerstone of child development and an infant doesn’t have much of one. It doesn’t develop until the tween years. One of the difficulties severe trauma causes is impairment of sense of self.
Children have total reliance on their caregivers. From a young age their parents define what is right and wrong for them. What is dangerous, what is safe. Reinforcing behaviours that the parents value. The child experiences emotional attunement towards their caregiver. There is a huge amount of control parents have over their children and that is why parental abuse is so damaging.
People with severe trauma have to deal with unpleasant experiences of trauma re-emerging. Learning to accept it, let it happen and let it pass. That is the reality of dealing with these issues. Treating ourselves with compassion when these difficulties occur is vital.
Perhaps I’m approaching this with the knowledge of an infant that developed PTSD at 4 years old. I was never a happy child. I simply did my best to cope with my environment. Children experience the same difficulties that adults can if they are exposed to the same traumatic environment. I honestly don’t see much difference between adults and children. More understanding of the world. More experience and the ability to choose what we would like to do with our lives. Meta cognition as well realise that we do have the ability to shape our own minds.
Alessa
ParticipantOh and I wanted to add. Your mother was wrong. It is a shame that she didn’t see you for the sweet and special little girl/ woman you are.
I’m happy that you are discovering the truth of your loving nature! ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
Please don’t worry, you don’t need to change anything for me. I’m honestly okay. I know that you are here to support me as well and I really appreciate that! 😊
I don’t think it’s crazy at all. From my perspective, I have thought I hope that my pain is worth it, because the alternative is that it is that it is senseless…
I like lol. I have a funny story about lol. My aunt didn’t know what it meant and thought it meant lots of love. She wrote it at the end of all of her messages. A lot of them came across as rather inappropriate. 😂
I’m glad you feel heard and that the tone in my first message was helpful. I worried it might not be. It was just the ptsd trigger.
Yes, the bond a child has for their parent is special. It is one of the hardest things I ever had to do, walk away from my mother because of the abuse when I loved her. It is an unconditional kind of love, but it does not mean that unconditional suffering should go hand in hand with that.
It doesn’t hurt anymore. However, there is a longing that doesn’t go away for that sweetness I never truly experienced. As you put it so well. A hole that will never be filled unless I do for myself.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
Thank you for the wonderful quotes! It always makes me wonder when people say that children are naturally happy. I feel like happy is the wrong word for it. I do know what they mean though.
I feel like children focus naturally on their desires. They are just very immediate. It is very interesting to learn that by 18 months old they fully understand language but just lack the physical co-ordination to talk. Yes, a child is happy when they get what they want. The needs of a child are just very simple. To learn, to explore, to exercise, to cuddle, to have fun, to play, to touch, to taste, to eat, to drink, to poop, to vocalise, to express, to move, to cry, to share, to love.
Even at a young age they are learning the rules of the universe. The rules of their parents. The laws of physics. The rules of nature.
And as wondrous as things are. The things that they want the most are simply things that get them attention. The thing that they are not supposed to touch. The thing that makes mummy and/ or daddy smile and praise them.
Toddlers have this wonderful dichotomy. A limited understanding and concern for their survival. Carefully, lowering oneself from the couch. Walking on grass instead of the path, because ow falling is sore. At the same time, they will try and murder themselves by throwing themselves head first off the couch to see if you will catch them. 😂
A love of being self-sufficient. Okay, if it’s fun and I really do need your help please do help me climb things. I just don’t want to do what I don’t want to do. And I want to do what I want to do while you cheer me on… unless I need help… and it’s fun… or it hurts. Otherwise please don’t interfere. Please read me this book.
Banter aside, this approach has been working for me. Dropping things. Thank you for the reminder and the opportunity to reflect. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Mollie
Congratulations on your degree! It does sound like you’ve been having a rough go of it for a few years now. You are in desperate need a break! It sounds like university finishing was a bit of a fresh start with a lot of hope. And you dream of a fresh start again now with hope.
An approach that I like is making things that I want happen! Planning fun experiences. Eating yummy food.
It sounds like you made a decision that is helpful for you to end the job that is making you feel so unhappy. I hope that studying goes well. Are you planning on working whilst doing this?
For sure, it can be lonely living alone when your friends aren’t living close by or as available as you would like. Studying I’m sure will let you meet some nice people.
It sounds like things are better with your family now?
I like that you are planning on standing up for yourself with the ex. You go girl! 💪❤️
I wonder is there anything that you would love to do that is different from what you would normally do? I’m not sure if you are someone who likes a little pampering? I have a girls night routine for myself. It can be unique to you. I like fancy chocolate, some wine and playing video games. Honestly, anything that makes your heart sing. What does make your heart happy? 🎶
Alessa
ParticipantHi Devesh Tiwaro
Yes, it is important to honour your needs if things aren’t working between you both. Have you tried to break up with her before?
I don’t believe that there is a way for this to end without her being upset because she cares about you, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen because it sounds like you are pretty sure about your desire to end the relationship.
Do you live together? Or separately? Discussing things in person can be beneficial although it is upsetting and stressful for you both, it shows care and respect for her and the seven year relationship you have had and offers closure. There are other ways to end a relationship. Phone call, text and ghosting are some options. Whilst less stressful for you, the options are more progressively more stressful for her because of the lack of respect. If you feel extremely stressed or afraid of her reaction, or feel like you are unable to leave her because you care about how upset she is during an in person conversation it might be worth considering one of these options.
It might be helpful to think about what you might want to say and of course, if she behaves disrespectfully towards you, it might be a good idea to end the conversation and protect yourself.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
Thank you for your kind words! ❤️
It is hard to talk about these things sometimes. But I do care and I am here for you. I just needed some time to decompress because our trauma is so similar, I get ptsd triggers sometimes. I wanted to be fully present when writing to you so I can show up for you in a thoughtful way.
I’m glad that eating helped you to feel a little better when things are difficult at the moment.
Please let me know if anything is ever not helpful.
Thank you for the book recommendation! I will definitely get it. I didn’t know the background for why the book was made. That is a beautiful reason, thank you for sharing it. 😊
You have so much empathy for people. I think that is a beautiful thing.
I’m sorry to say that I don’t feel sad for your mother. I care that you are suffering, worrying about her and that you suffered at her hands and she falsely blamed you for it. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
*trigger warning*
Regarding your question about evil. I read that evil is a lack of empathy. Apparently, someone who presided over charging people with war crimes after the holocaust said this.
I don’t think that hurting people is about defending oneself. There is a very clear difference between defensive aggression and someone who is actively trying to hurt another person.
There is a joy that is taken in harming others… someone who is being defensive takes no joy in it.
I feel like people use flimsy excuses for these types of behaviours. They are looking for opportunities to hurt others and re-enacting their trauma by role-playing the aggressor. The sad truth is it is easy to do, because it requires nothing in the way of self control and there has been cultural acceptance of children being possessions and child abuse being legal worldwide for a long time.
Additionally, people who hurt others typically have a combination of severe issues including developmental disorders, head injuries, brain damage, mental health issues, addiction and childhood trauma.
My phone battery is dying. I will have to reply properly tomorrow. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
I’m doing okay. Overstimulated today. All of this reminded me of a story I read to my son. I hope it is okay to share it. ❤️
You are never alone
Our hearts were connected before you were born when our string of love came to form. You were never alone. Every day since I’ve been right by your side, to nurture to play and to patiently guide. You are never alone. As you start to explore I’ll be just over here, even at night I’m quietly near. You are never alone.
Just think of me and you’ll feel me inside and even if you can’t see me our hearts are still tied. When I think of you, you’ll see I’m right there. The invisible string connects us to all those who care. You are never alone. Our invisible string is the one thing I know that is real and unbreakable as you will grow. You are never alone. There is so much to do, to be and to see. Wherever you are, together we will be. Never will we be alone.
My perspective is slightly different on helping. I believe the little things matter. Sure, we can’t fix each other’s problems, but we can show each other that we care. I feel like that is really all that is needed. I love this caring little community that everyone has built here! ❤️
What a beautiful smile you have Anita! Do you love dancing?
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
You are always there to support other people. You deserve care and support too! ❤️
How are you feeling today?
It is not easy going through the things that you have. I think you’re doing an amazing job of figuring out the best ways to heal from your trauma.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
I’m glad that you found comfort in my message. ❤️ You are a very loving person Anita. It is my impression that you willingly gave up yourself for decades to try and make your mother happy. I’m glad that you stopped doing that. You cannot change your mother’s fate, but you do deserve to be happy.
I’m sorry to hear that empathy for your mother is so painful for you. I imagine that you must be feeling a multitude of different things.
You mentioned that there was never room for you both. I believe it is important when empathising with others not to lose sight of ourselves. Our pain is not erased by the suffering of others.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita
I think she knows that you love her. It is unfortunate that she couldn’t be that sense of love and safety in a parent that you deserved. Perhaps it is better for you both this way? She can do no more harm and you can love her from afar without being harmed. Being apart doesn’t mean that you don’t care. I’m sure you have tried many times over the years to figure things out with your mother to no avail. It isn’t your fault or for lack of trying. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Jana
Enjoy the beautiful morning! ❤️
Yes, a lot of theory, but in practice it is an entirely different beast. These things are not easy… it is very much an emotional process.
I don’t believe it is possible to fix another person, these things are very much a personal journey. I just wanted to share my experience of my own challenges with these difficulties and what has helped me to manage it. You are not alone.
I enjoy learning from others. I have learned many things from you!
Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
Glad to see you posting again Jana! You are missed. ❤️
When I did schema therapy. The therapist taught me about different modes. My modes were, healthy adult, vulnerable child, punitive parent, angry child, detached protector.
I was also taught about schemas (unhealthy though patterns) and it was explained to me that they gravitate towards continuing. So it is like… they exist to exist and try and drag you back down and it takes a lot of time and effort to resist them and undo them.
I have been thinking about all of this. I used to identify strongly with vulnerable child and detached protector. I would say that the punitive parent mode was also very strong and I ignored the angry child mode actively suppressing it.
It is interesting how identity changes over time. The punitive parent mode has gotten smaller, the healthy adult has grown, the vulnerable child has gotten smaller, the detached protector has gotten smaller. The angry child mode I have dabbled with but compared to the others, not as much work has been done.
Punitive parent mode was very obvious and I think easier to undo. Anxiety on the other hand. There are things that make it appear friendlier. It’s function, alerting to dangers. Gives a false feeling of control. Yes, it causes harm.
I realised that I don’t share my anxieties with others because they could be harmful to them. It just occurred to me that it might be just as harmful to me. Sneakier than the punitive parent mode but just as damaging. It might be healthy for me to identify with those thoughts and feelings less. It is interesting how if I just think of it as someone saying those things to me it comes across as bullying. Really this is what I’m doing to myself.
It reminded me of something that my bio mum did. She used to lie to be about my friends. Pretend that they didn’t call. Tell me that they didn’t like me.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Jana
I think a lot of people have social anxiety. Myself included. What has helped me to manage the catastrophising is to repeatedly compare my fears to the actual outcome. Then when I worry, I reassure myself that my fears, aren’t necessarily the truth of the situation and often things go better than feared.
Another thing that I struggled with was feeling capable of managing in challenging situations. It took time and practice of repeatedly challenging myself. But in time I became more confident and less afraid of it.
In therapy, I learned that the nature of anxiety and fear is that avoiding it, reinforces the fear. Whilst challenging ourselves is stressful, in time it is possible to learn that things we are afraid of can be safe.
The best way to do this is bit by bit though, so as to not overwhelm. It is a long journey, no sense in rushing.
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