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  • in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449422
    Alessa
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    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449421
    Alessa
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    Hi Tee

    Hmm I don’t really understand how you reach some of the conclusions. It is probably my autism that is getting in the way of that again.

    I worried that previous conflicts with Anita might make it difficult for her to trust me in conflict. I wanted to show her my nature and that I’m not trying to hurt her. ❤️

    I find it easier to engage with someone from a gentle place. I have included my feelings about the conflict to Anita in small chunks, so as not to overwhelm. Trying to gently build an understanding of my perspective. Perhaps it might be because I have autism and C-PTSD. I feel like I might understand some of the difficulties. Not that Tourette’s and ADHD are the same. But there are things about neurodivergence that is easy to misunderstand especially in conflict especially for people might not be familiar with it. ❤️

    I’m a very direct person and not very observant. That can be a bit intense during conflict. I had also never really considered what people might be feeling might be feeling for most of my life. I purely relied on them telling me. It is only having a baby that can’t communicate that has lead me to try to work harder at understanding non-verbal cues and interpret what people might feel. I’ve been learning and working very hard on how I come across and present myself in conflict. ❤️

    I know that because of my C-PTSD I get afraid in conflict, even watching it between two people. I don’t mean this in a bad way Tee. But I don’t know how you respond in conflict because this is the first time I’m seeing you in a conflict. A lot of the time you have been defending yourself quite strongly. I felt afraid, not knowing how you might react to me. If that makes sense? ❤️

    It was just a fear. Not reality. ❤️

    Hmm well that is another priority I have that takes higher presidense over my need for things to be calmer. I care about being supportive, more than about calming down the conflict if that makes sense?

    I feel like being alone in these things and not having your needs met would be quite challenging. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449416
    Alessa
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    Hi Tee

    Hi Tee

    I feel like you might be picking up on a value I have linked to fairness. Equity.

    It may not seem that important to you, but it was important for me to explore how my neurodivergence affected conflict.

    I worry about talking about that post and how it affected me. I know that it was difficult for you. I feel like your feelings about how you were affected are more important to me than mine. How do you feel about the post when it comes to yourself? ❤️

    I am a different person to you, with a different perspective. It doesn’t mean that anyone’s perspective is any less valid. Your pain is valid.
    I don’t want to undercut your feelings when talking to you. ❤️

    You and I, simply have different priorities, perspectives, needs and conflict styles. That is not to say that one is more valid than the other. That is not true, we are just different people.

    To me, sad is a kind of hurt. I’m sorry for making you sad. You don’t need to worry about me. I will be okay. ❤️

    I’m sorry you feel like I’m enabling Anita by not discussing my feelings right now. I disagree, I’m simply prioritising my own needs.

    I don’t want to discuss my needs in a heated environment, I don’t feel like that is healthy for me. I would prefer to focus on deescalation and creating a calmer healthy environment first.

    I don’t like having a stressful environment. Can I cope with it? Yes, but it is uncomfortable for me. I would prefer wait to discuss my feelings when the situation is calmer, I believe that they will be received better then. I will be less stressed and be better equipped to handle the conversation in a healthy way. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449415
    Alessa
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    Hi Yana

    You are not weak. You are doing your best! I think that it is important to take care of yourself. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449409
    Alessa
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    Hi Everyone

    It seemed like Anita was interested in learning more about the four horsemen. Criticism, Contempt, Stonewalling and Defensiveness.

    Basically these are unhealthy communication patterns that hurt people and show that communication is breaking down.

    It can help foster communication to try communicating without these behaviours. Not an easy thing during a conflict. All people can do is try their best. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449407
    Alessa
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    Hi Tee

    You are a good person and definitely not a villain. I understand why this conflict has been so painful and difficult for you. ❤️

    But I think there has been a misunderstanding. I wasn’t trying to accommodate anyone by setting a boundary. That boundary was for me. ❤️

    I have been researching how to handle group conflict in healthy ways.

    From what I’ve seen there only really seem to be two answers. 1) Stay out of it and let people sort it out themselves. 2) Speak to both parties individually, support them, but don’t speak badly about the other person. I am open to hearing other suggestions, if anyone them. ❤️

    Tourette’s and ADHD are neurodevelopmental disorders. The brain is wired differently.

    I was simply trying to encourage Anita to discuss difficulties during conflict that occur with these conditions. I am curious because I don’t know much about the conditions and I wondered if there were any issues that might not be intuitively understood by others.

    I would encourage you to talk to me directly if you feel hurt about something I have done. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449394
    Alessa
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    Hi Brandy

    I understand why you feel so frustrated. The conflict doesn’t sit well with me either. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449392
    Alessa
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    Hi Everyone

    I want to thank Lucidity for sharing such an excellent resource for discussing conflict! ❤️

    I hope it is okay to share something that I learned along my travels? It is called the four horsemen. Dramatic name I know. Criticism, Contempt, Defensiveness and Stonewalling. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449381
    Alessa
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    Hi Tee

    What I’m hearing from you Tee is that you feel very unseen, blamed and that the situation is unfair. ❤️

    Do you feel like it helps you to see others good intentions when they make efforts to show that they see the difficulties that you are experiencing during conflict? ❤️

    I have faith. I hope that making an effort to deescalate will be seen and that things will work out in the end. I believe that trying my best is good enough.

    As I said to Anita, I’m going to set a boundary with both of you. I’m going to talk to you both individually about your feelings and I won’t talk negatively about the other person. ❤️

    I see that you are deeply hurt Tee. I see that you are trying your best and that everyone has a need to protect themselves in conflict. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449376
    Alessa
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    Hi Anita

    Well done on sticking with the conversation even though it is very hard and you want to run away. ❤️

    I remember that you have difficulties with your memory Anita and it helps you to write things down. ❤️

    Thank you for seeing me.

    What I’m hearing from you Anita is that gestures of goodwill help you to see the good intentions of people despite difficulties and this is really helpful for you in conflict.

    I also understand that you are feeling blamed and hurt too. ❤️

    I have been thinking about something and it might be sensitive. ❤️

    I have Autism and for people with Autism there are specific difficulties that they can have when they feel overwhelmed. They have tendencies to either have outbursts or shut down. Personally, I tend to shut down. But if pressed beyond what I can cope with I do have outbursts. Medication helps me when I’m really stressed to manage this in a healthy way. It has been really hard for me being a parent because I have a much higher base stress level than I used to because I don’t have as much time to practice self-care.

    Outbursts and shutting down can be mistaken for abuse by people who are not familiar with the condition. It is regretful when I lose control. But it is not my fault that I have the conditions and obviously C-PTSD makes things that much harder. I empathise that it is difficult and hurtful for people to be on the receiving end of these things.

    Do I remember correctly that you have Tourette’s, C-PTSD and ADHD? ❤️

    I have a question Anita and you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to. ❤️

    I wondered if there are any difficulties that these conditions might cause especially during conflict? ❤️

    I can understand the fears of bullying, but I think there are lots of good people here and I don’t think that anyone wants to bully anyone.

    I have similar concerns about bullying online, because this is a public space, criticism can feel like public shaming. ❤️

    I’m going to set a boundary for talking to both you and Tee individually. I’m not going to talk negatively about the other person whilst discussing your feelings. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449373
    Alessa
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    Hi Tee

    I’m really sorry! I see your pain. ❤️

    I try my best to be patient. It can take time for people to apologise. It can be hard for some people and I don’t mind waiting to revisit the discussion when Anita is up for it. She did say that she was feeling overwhelmed and I feel like engaging whilst you’re overwhelmed is not very helpful for either person. People make mistakes when they’re overwhelmed. It can be helpful to take a break from the conversation.

    I have a question, what does an apology mean to you? I feel like apologies can mean different things to different people.

    For me, apologies are about being respectful and showing a commitment to trying not to repeat mistakes.

    I don’t believe that everything is fine. But conflicts are not always easy or solved instantly. ❤️

    I noticed that Anita is trying to offer you some empathy here.

    “Tee—I regret that things escalated to this point. I imagine this has been painful for you too.”

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449354
    Alessa
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    Hi Tee

    I can really only speak to my own experience. I can understand why Anita was hurt by what I said. Was it my intention? No, but people get hurt by things unintentionally and especially during conflict. I can see that I made mistakes during that conflict on both sides.

    I have learned that it can make people feel uncomfortable by commenting on what they might be experiencing. I was also not talking about the conflict that was ongoing, so I can understand why she might worry and feel blamed or invalidated. I apologize for any hurt caused.

    Personally, I find that C-PTSD is a bear to deal with around conflict. I have fears of being abused and yet conflict is normal in relationships. It is very hard to reconcile the two.

    I feel like stressful situations are real challenges, especially when I’m already stressed. I cannot cope with the stress in a healthy way without medication at the moment.

    It isn’t my fault that I have PTSD and Autism. It isn’t my fault that I get overwhelmed sometimes especially when things are difficult. It is my responsibility to try to make healthier choices and find ways to navigate such a complicated situation by trying my best not to hurt others. I care about this deeply. ❤️

    I see that you are in pain, because your needs are not being met and you are misunderstood. I understand you Tee. ❤️

    in reply to: When Consciousness Wears the Face of a Lover #449353
    Alessa
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    Hi Everyone

    I’ve thought deeply about this subject too. Personally, I feel like it is a bit of both.

    I believe that we are ultimately animals. We are influenced by a metric ton of factors. I had questions about the amount of self-control we have.

    Buddhism does believe in a range of volition, what we can control within our circumstances and our conscience guides us in these matters.

    I am willing to defer to someone much smarter than me who is an authority on these matters Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi. ❤️

    Personally, I feel like we can only control what we are aware of and I feel like a lot of the human experience occurs beneath the surface. I feel like overwhelm is a serious issue too. People can act in ways that they don’t consciously want to when they are overwhelmed.

    For example, if I don’t take my medication, I have a harder time managing my emotions and can easily feel overwhelmed by conflict. When I take my medication it takes the edge off. I am able to stay calm and I have less intrusive worries. Life is just harder at the moment for me and I need that extra bit of support at the moment. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449348
    Alessa
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    Hi Anita

    I appreciate that you have done your best to talk about these things despite it being difficult for you. I appreciate you being respectful and understanding. I can see that you are trying your best. ❤️

    I’m sorry to hear that you felt unsafe, overwhelmed and unable to process it at the time. Why did you feel that way? ❤️

    I feel like I definitely said the wrong thing in that message to you. I remember writing it and thinking “I don’t know what to say”, I felt very uncomfortable about the exchange between yourself and Tee.

    It wasn’t really appropriate for me to go into such deep ideas in the middle of a conflict. I’m sorry, I understand that it hurt you. I know that you couldn’t talk about it at the time. It must have been painful to sit with that, not have an explanation, understanding or an apology. I truly, didn’t understand what you were feeling at the time because it wasn’t explained. I really didn’t mean to make you feel like you were the problem. ❤️

    Yes, I can see that. I feel like a lot of people feel the same way about criticism.

    I feel like the difficulty with shutting down and not having a conversation about difficulties is that it feels like things are lacking context and perspective because others were encouraged not to share. ❤️

    I understand that this has been difficult for you, but I appreciate that you tried anyway. So thank you for that. It is important to take care of your needs during conflict, you don’t need to respond if you don’t want to. ❤️

    in reply to: Compassion and respect during times of conflict #449335
    Alessa
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    Hi Anita

    I see that you are vulnerable, as are we all. We have all had significant past traumas.

    I’m sorry to hear that you have been suffering and feeling very distressed because of the conflict. ❤️

    I appreciate the gesture of goodwill that you are trying to soften things with some positivity. ❤️

    I’m sorry to hear that you felt hurt and betrayed by the message I wrote. Thank you for explaining why you felt that way. ❤️

    I have a question. Why didn’t you share that with me then?

    My memory of this message was around when you initially shut down?

    Right, I can see the misunderstanding. I wasn’t talking about what had just happened with Tee. I was addressing what happened previously. I’m sorry that felt invalidating. ❤️

    As I said to Tee, I really value not criticising people. That was the mindset where I was coming from when I wrote the message. I wasn’t trying to criticise either of you.

    I can explain my intention. I was talking from my understanding of Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I have learned that during conflicts there are often multiple things going on behind my emotions. I might focus on the situation in front of me, but there is a multitude of things going on behind the scenes.

    For people I have conflicts with, my childhood traumas are often alive. For people who I have had previous conflicts with, my past difficulties with them are often alive.

    I often have difficulty trusting people for these reasons. Which is why I pointed out that I feel these things too in the comment.

    It is natural for there to be difficulties with trust in these situations. It would be surprising if there weren’t.

    I often find that all of these factors cause issues with my emotions. Making things more painful than they actually are. Bringing up fears.

    I don’t mean to cause offence, I only became aware of all of this layering of emotion recently.

    I find it really helpful to try to unpick past traumas from the current situation and make an effort to see things from a more neutral perspective. I was just trying to help.

    I thought it might hurt less to view Tee through a lens of someone who is trustworthy and caring because objectively I do believe her to be that way.

    So do you disagree? You don’t feel like engaging with someone who you’ve previously had conflict with and haven’t built a rapport with is potentially triggering when another conflict occurs?

    I’m sorry that you don’t see me as being neutral. I do try my best, it is difficult to balance things because I have a complicated set of values. I’m still trying to figure things out.

    I actually do express my discomfort. I believe I expressed it pretty clearly during the conflict.

    I can understand how it leads to feeling invalidated. When I try to stay neutral within reason, I’m also trying to be aware of different people’s needs. It is nigh impossible for two opposing parties in a conflict to both feel that their needs are being met at the same time.

    I’m sorry that I made you feel this way, I certainly didn’t mean to.

    Placate – making someone less angry or hostile

    If I am doing this with both parties, trying to calm down a situation, how am I taking sides? And if I am doing this with both parties how does the person naming harm become the problem? When you talk about someone naming harm, are you talking about yourself here?

    I know that naming harm is something that you consider important to your healing, but when it comes to communication, naming harm is criticism. Do you see the conundrum?

    Sorry, I have a few more questions. I know that in general you don’t like criticism. Why do you not like it? How does it make you feel? Do you agree that negative criticism can easily be perceived as an insult?

    I would encourage you to reflect on the conversation you just had with Tee and remember that whilst you may have been talking to Tee, the subject that Tee just brought up was how I was treat in the conflict.

    There is no need to agree to disagree. I can speak for myself. I was hurt by the things that were said. ❤️

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