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Alessa
ParticipantHi Kane
I’m sorry to hear that you aren’t feeling so good right now. You seem burnt out, with the weight of the world on your shoulders. Please be gentle with yourself. ❤️
Regarding changing family dynamics. They can change, for the better for the worse, it is up to the individual.
You can be an inspiration to them. You can teach them. But it is up to them whether they listen or if they prefer to carry on. Pay attention to how they respond.
I’ve been there. My sister got through it. My Mum gave up.
Unfortunately, these things take time. It is not an easy thing to do. People change a little at a time. You will be hurt in the process.
Some advice I received from my therapist was to view unhealthy people who refuse to change as ill. This means not having a full relationship with them and protecting yourself.
Putting your needs first for a change might be helpful when you are feeling down. What do you need right now?
Alessa
ParticipantHi Jana and Anita
Thank you for your kind words Anita. 🙏
Jana, you did a good job with reframing the negative thoughts. 😊
I did quite a lot of introspection. Defining my values because a lot of negative thoughts were based on judgements that others might make. Societal expectations and whatnot. My personal values and beliefs are more gentle.
An exercise that Jana might want to try could be defining what the following things mean; weakness, strength, failure and success. See what you think? I did this type of thing when I was in a good mood, so I wouldn’t be harsh on myself.
My core belief was “I’m not good enough.” I kept lists of compliments from people and wrote down the ways in which I am good enough. It really did take time and consistency doing these things to modify my beliefs.
I also worked on planning my life, what I wanted to do with it. Skills to acquire. The kind of person I wanted to be. Goals.
Therapy certainly helped, but I did the bulk of my work on self-compassion outside of therapy. The goal of therapy is to teach you to be your own therapist, so it gave me the tools.
I did exposure therapy to help me to tolerate distress. I found distress tolerance useful for a bunch of different scenarios that helped with my self-compassion. Being a tutor, studying, working helped address my fears of failure.
The basics of exposure therapy are that the more something is avoided, the greater the fear of it. It confirms that you were correct to fear it. When exposing yourself to fear or distress. You’re aiming for a level you can tolerate for about an hour. Which is how long it takes for the body to start to calm down around these things. You note how you feel at the start and after the hour is over and compare the results. The goal is to start off easy and steadily work your way up as you become more confident. And it is okay to do things that make you feel more comfortable. I brought my dog or a friend.
I found external validation helpful personally, because it made me start to believe that if others liked me, then there might be something to it that I can’t deny. It doesn’t take you the whole way though.
I also had some therapy for intrusive (unwanted) thoughts. It was helpful for me to understand the basics for these things happening. The more distressing it seems, the more important it seems to your brain and it is more likely to reoccur. So ultimately, being calm about negative thoughts occurring reduces the chance of them reoccurring. For me they are also more likely to occur with the following factors. Sleep deprivation, pain and hunger. Ultimately, the trauma was the origin.
From my perspective you are managing your life perfectly well Jana. To have your own business is impressive. Having a loving partner, a lovely dog and good relationships with your parents is a beautiful thing. Financial difficulties everyone goes through at some point in life. These things come and go. I think that everyone has their own individual hardships. Yours are just different from theirs.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
I enjoy our conversations too! ❤️
I had no boundaries as a child. I was groomed to allow people to abuse me without protest. My therapist taught me a lot about boundaries as a young adult. I think I went the other way and went too hard on them, being afraid of allowing abuse.
Now, I’m finding that there is a middle way. Not taking everything so seriously. Using empathy and understanding to consider why someone might be expressing themselves in an unhealthy way and considering the intent.
I love the insight that we should be accountable for our own feelings and choices. 😊
Alessa
ParticipantHi Anita and Jana
I noticed that we are all similar, yet uniquely different too. That is ultimately what I believe about all people. However, we do have some shared goals, experiences and values that are make us more similar than others.
Well done on overcoming the perfectionism and binge eating Anita! Jana, I’m glad to hear that forgiveness and acceptance bring you feelings of self-liberation.
I’m sorry to hear that you both experienced a lot of criticism. It isn’t easy to deal with. I agree, it is hard work to change these kinds of beliefs.
I would say both. My natural behaviour was heavily modified by both of my families. Allowing myself to do things that I want to do that they would discourage is healing for me. It is nice to allow myself to be without judgement.
In therapy, getting in touch with the inner child’s desires was encouraged.I would also add that my mind was quite different at different stages in life and it feels like each of those variations is still present in some way.
I guess becoming a parent helped me to realise that no one has to do anything to be a worthy human being. Just being a lovable scamp is enough. 😉 For me not to cringe, I have to believe the affirmation. When I feel it is untrue, that is the difficulty for me. Being a parent has also helped me to grow as a person – becoming more patient, less judgmental and developing some discipline when it comes to managing my emotions.
I look forward to you both elaborating more on your experiences of self-compassion. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
To be clear. I don’t think you meant anything in a bad way. You are a good person, I trust that you act with love in your heart. ❤️
I only brought it up because it is an interesting to discuss the other side of the coin, one that I never used to be aware of until recently.
Ah I didn’t realise that the scenario with the key and theft was a metaphor.
Accepting bad behaviour would be to allow people to treat you badly.
I agree, accountability and responsibility are important. I just find that it creates less conflict when they are freely given. A good person will do these things without asking. Not necessarily when we want them to happen but with patience it generally happens when they are ready.
I have done a lot of research into healthy vs unhealthy behaviours. It turns out so many more things are classed as unhealthy than people realise.
For example, telling someone that you feel that they dismissed you, is itself dismissive. The person may not have had bad intentions or it may have happened unintentionally. It is coming at the situation with criticism and blame.
I’m finding that it important to have unconditional positive regard for others to have an open heart, mind, patience and curiosity during times of conflict. These things are tricky to learn to do.
I feel like a lot of hurt is avoided by simply disengaging and allowing cooler heads to prevail. As someone who values holding space for others to allow them to express themselves, it is me not taking care of myself and taking breaks when needed that has been causing myself problems.
I guess I can be a bit blunt. Whilst it is other people’s responsibility how they interpret it. It is also my responsibility to try not to unintentionally hurt someone’s feelings.
I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been through things that have taken a part of your spirit and you have had to reclaim it. It is not easy to go through these things.
I think that sometimes what you want to achieve is important. In conflict there can be many different goals for communication. Is the purpose to express feelings? To stand up for oneself? Is the purpose to resolve conflict? Is the purpose to foster positive communication?
Sometimes only one thing can be achieved at a time and we have to make choices as to what we would like to prioritize. It is not possible to have everything work out in the way we would like it to because we are all unique uncontrollable individuals, so we have to make do with what is achievable.
Sometimes this means having to temporarily put feelings aside if the goal is to foster positive relationships.
Thank you for explaining! That makes sense. I would agree. All we can do is try our best! 😊
I feel like sometimes it is easier to identify with the ego (the noise and the pain), than it is the identity with the stillness and peace in the mind. Usually, for me when the pain is strongest. I’m working on changing that though. My experience is that whatever I choose to focus on I tend to identify with. Technically, both are part of the whole that makes up me.
I love the quotes by the way! Food for thought, indeed.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Andy
I’m sorry to hear that your father passed away and you’ve been finding it hard. That is a big thing to go through.
Yes, it is complicated when there is previous trauma. It is not just what is happening, but memories of the past as well. It is also scary being a woman and not being able to physically defend yourself. Often there is a fear of what could happen.
I’m glad to hear that the counselling is helpful! That is a great step. You’re doing all of the right things. Good luck figuring everything out. You’re a good egg for understanding the difficulties that she is experiencing. 😊
Be gentle with yourself because you are having a tough time and you didn’t mean to scare her. ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter and Anita
Happy Valentines Day! ❤️
I thought I would elaborate on my thoughts about accountability and responsibility.
There are ways to not accept bad behaviour without having to rely on asking for accountability and responsibility from another person. Often these things go hand in hand with punishment and shame. It can easily be taken the wrong way or fall on deaf ears.
In addition, people are often different and expectations often don’t match. It is possible to ask for something, for someone to try and for the individual asking to still not feel satisfied because their expectations were not fulfilled to their standards. There is an element of judgement here. I feel like it is better for things to play out naturally without trying to cajole someone into behaving in a certain way. That’s why I’m starting to feel like asking for accountability and responsibility from others is unnecessary.
I don’t need anything other than to be treat with kindness personally.
Karma is unavoidable.
I find that simply maintaining my own boundaries, treating people with compassion and understanding is helpful.
The sun is perceived to rise and set, but reality is that it simply exists. Similarly, love exists as a constant presence independent of our perceptions and experiences
Yes, I agree with this.
What do the crucible and the fire represent in this metaphor?
Alessa
ParticipantHi All
Thank you for the fascinating topic Jana. 😊
I feel like it is a complicated subject.
I feel like a roadblock for me was self-hatred. Often when people are abused from a young age they start to abuse themselves. It is hard to accept yourself when you don’t even like yourself.
I worked hard on changing myself to become someone that I could be proud of and forgave myself too.
I got to the point where I liked myself but such acceptance is conditional and ultimately circumstantial.
As they do, my circumstances changed and I could no longer base my self-esteem on them. I was still the same person and had the same skills, but I still struggled.
Another factor for me is state of mind. This is going to be a unique one to explain. I guess I would say that parts of my mind are fragmented. And seem to be different ages. Another way to put this might be different levels of maturity.
It has always been a bit younger. Child, teenager, young adult. Now there is a new part mature adult.
I have heard recommended before to treat yourself like you are your own parent. I’m finding it rather helpful.
This is where I’m at now. Finally open to trying affirmations, which I have always hated because I couldn’t believe them before.
It is nice to be in a place where I can say nice things about myself without cringing. There is still a way to go, but it is nice nonetheless.
Good luck to everyone on their journey of self-compassion!
Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
Your example makes sense to me. I think of these things in that way too.
It would be ideal in relationships for those things to occur all of the time, but sometimes they don’t.
An apt quote! I like it. 😊
Yes, unconditional allowing can be dangerous. I feel like that happens as a result of depression and lack of self-love, rather than unconditional love though.
I feel like change is an important factor in love. People change over time, circumstances change and relationships change as a result. Being flexible is necessary to adapt to the changes.
We want what we do and who we are to matter.
That is a nice way to put it. 😊
My thoughts are that kindness and understanding are important. Personally, I don’t care so much about accountability or responsibility anymore. All things just boil down to kindness for me.
Alessa
ParticipantThanks Anita
Keep up your fine work. 😊 You are a treasure! ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Andy
I would agree that being on a partner’s Facebook page is totally fine.
Well done on respecting her wishes, even though it is difficult! It is a challenging time of year with Valentine’s Day coming soon.
It good that you recognize the difference between Calm Andy and Overthinking Andy. It can be hard to pull back from overthinking.
I read somewhere that uncertainty is what can be most difficult when overthinking. What do you think of this?
I cannot say what will happen next. But perhaps you are two individuals who have been through a lot of trauma and that is challenging for anyone to navigate. It is important to treat yourself (and her) with compassion and understanding.
No matter what happens, you are deserving of love! ❤️
Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
I hope you feel better soon.
Love is an interesting one. I feel like a lot of people treat love as conditional these days. As you say, it is a cultural thing.
However, I do feel like unconditional love is really important and very healing.
Yes, I would suggest that being kind to people no matter how they treat you is important. Even if someone treats you poorly. I feel like it is a matter of principle – a desire not to compromise my values. Not to mention, very few problems are truly serious.
What do you think holding someone accountable means?
“To err is human.”
Everyone has flaws, but I think it is important to accept people as uniquely flawed individuals. It is impossible to get through life unscathed and we all bear the scars that come with that.
The trick is balancing these things whilst protecting ourselves and our loved ones whilst acknowledging that there is only so much that can be done as individuals.
Alessa
ParticipantHi Substantial
Hmm the difficulty with anxiety is it’s not rational. You describe your style of love as “over-giving”. Not everyone has the same standards or expectations. You say that she rarely complains about you. That is a positive thing and rare to find.
That being said, she might not be the person for you. You might just prefer to be with someone who is different from how she is and there is nothing wrong with that, if that is the case.
The difficulty being that everyone has flaws and no one is perfect.
The question is what do you really want? It is okay to be honest with yourself. When you are calm and not feeling anxious, how do you feel?
Alessa
ParticipantHi Andy
Well I can understand the concern about the tinder profile. Perhaps she isn’t lying to you and it is an old one? People can forget about these things.
But becoming suspicious and cyber stalking her because she has a facebook page is a bit of a leap.
I can understand why she needs some space because that is a betrayal of her trust in you.
It is difficult because both of you have experienced a lot of trauma in the past. Clearly this is bringing up a lot for you both.
I would recommend having a calm and honest conversation about all of this when things calm down.
It is really hard to trust people after everything both of you have been through. But not everyone treats people terribly. There are good people out there. You thought she was a good person? Try giving her the benefit of the doubt.
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