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  • in reply to: Emotional abuse and why can't I let go #114396
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    Sugarhut ~

    It sounds like you are dealing with a classic narcissist. Google “dating a narcissist,” “narcissistic personality disorder,” and “how to leave a narcissist.” Narcs (for short) are the most manipulating, emotionally abusive people on the planet. They demean and belittle you until you get to the point where you honestly believe you can’t live without them. They CREATE this “weak” person (using your word, although I do not believe you are weak) so that you are dependent on them, because they NEED for you to be dependent on them so they feel validated. The worst irony of all is that they purposely belittle you until you are a shell of the person you used to be; but then they despise you for it. It’s maddening, and you can quite literally lose your mind, lose your sanity, and lose your sense of self if you don’t get out.

    They use a technique called “gaslighting,” where they say one thing and then later say the opposite, and tell you that you’re losing your mind for ever thinking they said the first thing. Or they tell you you’re “too sensitive,” or whatever trait you’re insecure about; they latch onto that and exploit it.

    Another important note is that NARCISSISTS WILL NEVER CHANGE. Every single article you will find will tell you; if you’re in a relationship with a narc, GET OUT NOW. They won’t change. EVER. They change temporarily when they sense you are pulling away; so that’s when he’s nice and fun and caring again. But the minute they know they’ve snagged you back in, they go back to being the manipulative, degrading, emotionally abusive person that they truly are. So, you have two choices: deal with this for the rest of your life, or choose to leave.

    I know how difficult it is; I had to leave a narc too. The sentence that raised the red flag for me is when you said “a lot of people think he’s this nice charming guy and that I’m lucky to have him but that’s the front for them he’s different with me behind closed doors.” That’s the EXACT trait of a narc. Around other people they are fun, charming, the star of the show; and everyone tells you how lucky you are to have him. THAT’s the person you fell in love with. But the minute you get home, he turns into this monster.

    Also Google “narcissistic rage.” This will help you understand what triggers him. Once you start understanding the sick mind that is the narcissist, you can start to manipulate HIM and begin your escape from him.

    I truly believe it is imperative to understand how these monsters think and what the reason is behind his actions. Once you understand the psychology behind it, you can start to accept in your mind that this is NOT your fault; you ARE a victim of emotional abuse, and you NEED TO GET OUT NOW. If you keep trying to think of him in terms of a normal, healthy, functioning human, you will go insane trying to make sense of it all. And you will start to believe his lies that he tells you that make you insecure and make you stick around.

    As the other readers have said, if nothing else do it for your kids. He is destroying them too.

    Ask your brother for help. Call an abusive help line (he doesn’t have to hit you for it to be abuse). Call one of your friends that have left you because of him, and apologize and ask for help.

    You can do this, beautiful lady. You are worthy. You are not weak, you are a victim of one of the most demeaning types of emotional abuse out there; and you can escape. Trust me; it’s NOT EASY. But there IS a life here “on the other side” once you escape; and it’s beautiful. You can be free and you will do just fine and you will thrive once he’s out of your life. Remember, “a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.” You can do this. Start researching, and lay out a plan. And do it.

    Sending love, prayers, and blessings to you.

    in reply to: How do I deal with a narcissist? #80047
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    AJ ~ First of all, kudos to you for caring enough about your friendship to want to save it; that says a lot about you as a person and a friend.

    I’m not an expert, but I’ve done TONS of research because I have determined that I’m currently in a relationship with a narcissist, and am in the midst of trying to find the strength to break it off. I found your entry to hit home, because I, too, am in the midst of trying to find the strength to end it; and am looking for external advice although I know in my heart what I need to do. From what I’ve learned, everything you wrote screams that John is a narcissist. Be thankful that you were able to “diagnose” it, because they have a way with messing with your head which makes you question everything (if you haven’t done so already, Google the term “gas lighting” as it relates to narcissists – very interesting and therapeutic!).

    Remember that narcissists are very magnetic, strong, and manipulative people. There is a reason you were drawn to him in the first place; they are great at drawing people to them. But then they fulfill their soul by damaging yours; is that the kind of person you want in your life?

    Also realize that it is almost uncanny how, as soon as you find the strength to start to end the relationship, they sense it and do whatever they can to reel you back in. You must remember it’s not because they care about you as a person or your friendship; they care about nothing but themselves and what you have to offer them. They find empowerment in the power they have over you, and if you start to pull away that’s a direct threat.

    I had a friend that gave me some great advice after I wrote her an email that sounded a lot like your letter. I have two young nieces that I love more than anything on earth; and my friend said, “Read that letter again and pretend it was your niece writing to tell you about the relationship she’s in….what would you tell her?” Of course, when I imagined it was my beloved little angel in this relationship and writing these words to me for advice, I would scream “GET OUT NOW!” But when it’s me, it’s not so easy. For some reason, it’s so much easier to protect those that we love than it is to protect ourselves. Read your letter again, and pretend it’s a dear friend, a sister, a brother, someone you care about….what would you tell them?

    And, as another friend said: In a way, it doesn’t matter whether he is a narcissist or not. It doesn’t matter whether you can diagnose him. The bottom line is this: he makes you unhappy and he smothers your soul. Nothing else matters. He is a toxic person in your life, and you don’t need that. Just because you have a history, it doesn’t mean you need to continue to allow him to treat you this way. He served a purpose in your life at one time; now it’s time to close that chapter and move on.

    But, in a way, it DOES matter if he really is a narcissist or not; because “normal” people might be open to changing, and therefore trying to save your friendship would be worth your time and effort. But a narcissist will never, ever change. They don’t believe they need to; they see nothing wrong and even if they do, they don’t care. Everything I’ve read says that narcissists can’t be “fixed.” You said yourself that John isn’t open to changing and has no desire to improve. A classic symptom of narcissism, but again; bottom line is, it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t want to change. You’re not happy with how things are. It’s really that simple. And yet, as I know first-hand, it’s not. 🙁

    I think this paragraph that you wrote says it all: “I was a confident person before meeting John but after constantly feeling the disapproval of my friend and being called arrogant for something as simple as attempting to dress well, I gave up on appearances. If you were to look at John today, you’d see who I was before I met John and if you were to look at me you’d see who John was before we met. That being said, I’m on my way back to who I was, I won’t be bullied into submission anymore, I have to do the things I love and be the person I am, I can’t suppress that any longer.”

    You know what you have to do. I know what I have to do. It’s so hard to find the strength to yank off that Band-Aid; but once we do, we can then get back to the vibrant, strong, incredible people we both were before our narcissists tried to smother who we are meant to be.

    Good luck, and thanks for sharing your story.

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