Menu

Engineer101

Forum Replies Created

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 23 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #452756
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Interesting explanation below : this does not match how I current feel as I reflect on life

    “Limerance” is a term invented from whole cloth by Dorothy Tennov in the late 1970s, intended to express her theory of how attraction and romance work. Hence, it means whatever she wanted it to mean, as it was literally just something she made up.

    As she originally used it, it simply refers to the emotional (and, secondarily, psychological/physiological) behaviors associated with “falling in love” or feeling as though one is in love. In her usage, it seems to be not a whole lot more than a synonym for infatuation, the “over the moon” feeling of being romantically attracted to another person.

    Later authors seem to have expanded this into something actually pretty terrible, though there doesn’t seem to be a clear consensus. That is, some refer to it as outright destructive and dangerous, an addiction, a form of narcissism, something insidious and even corrupting. And then others refer to it as being the “honeymoon” phase, which generally gives way to a different, more long-term-stable connection. Still others see it as an extreme version of the same sort of thing as the honeymoon phase, as though there were a spectrum and the term refers to the stronger (but not strongest) forms.

    So.Anita.. it’s difficult to answer your question, because the term isn’t used in a consistent way in the examples I have access to.

    It would seem, however, that most folks agree that what is usually meant by the term “love”—a long-term pair-bonding commitment between two people—is not really what limerance is, just as infatuation isn’t love, though it can be part of the initial growth of love proper. Some people will feel limerance (or a lesser, healthier version, if you stand with those who consider all limerance unhealthy) at the start of a healthy relationship, but that feeling will fade over time as the “falling-in-love” feeling is slowly replaced. Others will never feel it, but still grow to love a partner, while some will feel it and then fail to develop “love” proper, and thus their connection to the object of their affections will fade or break.

    Certainly, most seem to agree that being permanently in “limerence” is a bad thing, while actually loving someone permanently would not be unhealthy in general

    #452752
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Anita
    Yes, may be some Limerence , will a small “l”.
    I believe it is more a reflection on a life well lived as I prepare for retirement , a new start as I step out of my old life . The real drive is to find new meaning and purpose in retirement.

    Also, I feel my marriage is in a new chapter , where the level of mutual understanding transcends the highs and lows of a life together , forming a comfort that is wonderful.

    I am a deep thinker , I consider and reflect , seeking meaning and understanding . I know I am becoming spiritual. First, seeking to understand my life, who know where it will lead me .

    Gerard

    #452744
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Anita
    Hope you are feeling better , day by day.

    As you know , I am reflecting on my career and life as I near retirement .
    I am reflecting on 6 months every week, capturing in writing my memories and feelings from these months.

    The bigger impact , for me anyway , are romantic relationships.
    As you know from my writings here, I have had 3 relationships that resonate. The girl from my late teens, the woman I was dating before I ended it when I met my wife to be.

    The first two relationships were straight forward to write about, they have a beginning and end, ended a long, long time ago, so I see the full picture and context.

    I am now reflecting on the first 6 months with the lady I would marry and be with for over 35 years , and still counting. OMG, it is hard to write my deep feelings from these months as I can see how they impacted my whole life and define my life today. I see how my wife’s strengths enriched my life, I see her little quirks that annoyed me then, and still do today …..I see my own driven nature,and see how it played out, driving to build a secure home for our family but with the cost of stress and undermining the relationship at times. Every paragraph I write about these 6 months , has me thinking about my life today. I see my poor communication skills, as I don’t want to offend. Also, people that were important and have passed on over the decades, like our parents, I feel the loss again.

    In summary, what started as a life reflection is becoming hard, as reflection is very powerful, emotions and feelings from times long gone become very real again.

    A bit of me is beginning to question if this is a heathy reflection exercise ?

    Gerard.

    #452654
    Engineer101
    Participant

    I read that you are very, very depressed these days ….this is understandable, as you are going through so much change, a sale of a place that was a significant part of your life disturbs your energy, emotional issues that were sorted years ago suddenly return, to be emotionally processed again. Also, you have a future that will be different. This is the human condition, in time the dust will settle.

    Last night I was out socially with a friend, on Wednesday his wife of 27 years left him, no warning ⚠️ sign, no explanation, just “this marriage no longer works for me” . He was an emotional 😭 wreck, his simple question was “why?” , I believe unfortunately that he will never get a satisfactory answer to his question, he will spend many years, if not the rest of his life trying to figure this out .

    Remember, you are not alone ….

    #452571
    Engineer101
    Participant

    I saw that someone reported it …..very strange , indeed.
    Nothing inappropriate, so nothing to worry about

    #452529
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Anita
    I read about your crisis with the winery closing. You are in my thoughts at this time .
    I will reflect on your question about feeling young and reply…. Key is human interactions , I need more friends
    Interesting, you comment on feeling the love of others and feeling younger in recent years … my 50s ( & 60s so far) are the best years of my life , as I know who I am, I love myself.

    Gerard xx

    #452471
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Thank you …. Good that you are keeping well, you are in my thoughts and prayers.
    No rush in replying , I just like sharing my reflections , a nice feeling knowing that they are read.

    Kind Regards
    Gerard

    #452459
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Anita
    As you are now aware I am very nostalgic and reflect deeply. I have shared with you an important relationship from my early 20s. As I am in my mid 60s I find that I am reflecting on events in my life, re-surfing feelings is both positive and negative , as it can consume my focus. I have recently reflected on a relationship from my late teens, one that I have not thought about in decades, and wow : it has hit me like freight train. I write reflections like letters , below is my letter to this girl based on what I feel and remember now .

    LETTER
    I am writing this letter nearly 44 years after we dated, at the time our relationship was the biggest part of my life, and it took me a few years to process the relationship and breakup. As events, relationships & time created my future life, our relationship faded in the background, becoming an important foot note to my lifeline. I have not reflected deeply on our relationship in well over 30 years but now as I prepare for retirement I am reflecting on my life and career and focused on our time together, I am really surprised on how our time together has now overwhelmed me with memories and nostalgia.

    You were my first true love, the first real relationship I had, it lasted 6 months and as you said: part of our hearts will always belong to each other, over 40 years later my feelings are still there, in the deep background. You were 17 and I was 19, a lifetime has passed, and recent reflections have surfaced these strong feelings and finally the pain and loss of our breakup feels real again. I assume like me, I am a footnote that you rarely think of, I hope you have some fond memories of our time.

    We started dating in January, I don’t remember how we met. You were a degree student, and we had a shared friendship group. I remember our first date was to the cinema. I don’t remember the movie. Later you said you never kissed so much. nother was a dinner date, the energy between us was so intense.

    You said that you liked that I was “normal”, which indicated that your previous boyfriends were not. In time you saw my flaws and weaknesses which helped me understand that being flawed is normal.

    I remember making out on your couch, I remember your yellow cardigan & the smell of your hair, I remember your wet hair and it was curly before you combed it. I remember on at least two occasions we went to bed upstairs. Here things got complex, I never stayed the night as I did not want my parents to believe I was out all night. You had said you did not want to get pregnant because of the impact a pregnancy had on your sister’s life. Also, you said that I was more amorous on the couch than in bed, possibly because this was new to me, and I did not want to go too far.

    After dating two months I brought you to my sister’s wedding, you got on very well with my family.

    At some point we called to my brother’s house, at some stage afterwards I learnt that you called to see my brother on your own, I thought that was a bit strange.

    My first memory of the relationship disintegrating was after two months. We arranged a weekend away, you asked that we pick up a friend on the way. I had arranged a place in for us both to stay, but you wanted to stay with your friend. I have a vague memory of you flirting with other guys in a nite club. This was a clear signal that you did not really value our relationship, you were emotionally detaching, and I was chasing a dream. I cherished you and in return I wanted you to cherish me. I believed the harder I tried the bigger the chance that I would win you. This weekend was the dividing mark in our relationship. I know you were hinting that you were no longer interested but I kept hanging around like a puppy dog. I feel in hindsight that I know you did not really love me the same way I loved you, and at 17 why should you. Possibly this is why over time I have not reflected too much when the relationship dissolved, as it was clear why we split.

    In May I got a new car. I drove you to visit your sister, this was a 400 mile round trip. We stayed for at least 1 night. I remember your sister and her partner had very young children. I remember playing chess with your sister’s partner in the kitchen. I slept downstairs, you wanted me to sleep with you upstairs, but your sister felt it better that I slept downstairs. For such a long drive together, we must have had plenty of time to chat and be together, I have zero recollection of these long drives to and back.

    I had a suspicion she was dating someone when you went home to your parents.

    I remember you saying at some point “Now that we are no longer dating, I can tell you that you are a terrible driver”

    My best friend did not like you, and he told me so many times. I remember you did not like my best friend either.

    In the summer you moved to a new city for work experience. You must have shared your address as I remember writing and sending you a very long letter I never got a reply, I assume you were not impressed. That appears to have been the final last gasp in our fading relationship.

    In early the following year you were back in college, I learnt that you were sharing an accommodation with mutual friends. I called regularly to the dorm with the hope of meeting you, we met once. I was in the kitchen, and you came in, I remember you were heading out to a party. As part of the group, we had a very civil conversation, then you headed out.

    I have a vague memory of attending your graduation dance, a mutual friend invited me. You were sitting at another table with some other guy, I think we had some chat in the corridor. That was it, I have no recollection of any meeting or contact between us ever again. I have absolutely zero information on how your life worked out, I believe that you moved to a country far away.

    The relationship legacy, significant for a few years but forgotten for decades. I felt treated badly, what started as amazing ending up being very messy. I now know that I had expectations from the relationship that you were not ready to give. Even when the signals were clear, I kept pursuing the dream. I understand that is why our relationship never really resonated long term, because when I experienced what I expected from a relationship it dawned on me that I had transferred my relationship expectations on to you, I was ready for a serious relationship, and you just wanted to have fun. Future relationships validated my relationship expectations.

    You played a massive role in my life, the first taste of the possibility of love and a relationship. You are always in my heart, and I hope you had a wonderful, healthy & fulfilled live.

    Gerard

    #452456
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Hope you are well, it been a few months since I last replied. The insight you shared wiith me have really resonated . Thank you

    #447939
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Reading your SCOJ, I totally validate one statement : you are a good person.

    Funny your reference to red wine : back in the day people mostly drank white wine at functions …. My dad gave me great advice ‘drink red wine “ ,”why?” I asked , he replied “because you get more of it.

    What is the story with your left shoulder ? …… what I am learning as I age is that manypeople live in constant pain .

    #447936
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Reading your SCOJ, I totally validate one statement : you are a good person.

    Funny your reference to red wine : back in the day people mostly drank white wine at functions …. My dad gave me great advice ‘drink red wine “ ,”why?” I asked , he replied “because you get more of it.

    What is the story with your left shoulder ? …… what I am learning as I age is that many people live in constant pain .

    #447932
    Engineer101
    Participant

    I agree that labels correctly applied can lead the way to understanding
    However, labels applied to normal human idiosyncrasies, then is can unfairly define you

    #447903
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Anita
    Thank you. I am amazed by your insights and understanding based on the written words shared.

    The girl visiting has posted on social media then and now photos, the then photos were taken by me 15 years ago and this girl has placed her son in the same spots and taken now photos. It is clear that her time with us 15 years ago meant a lot to her. Seeing her posts makes me emotional. I plan to write a few words to this girl in a few weeks from now to acknowledge that I really enjoyed meeting her and her family .

    Warmly
    Gerard

    #447902
    Engineer101
    Participant

    You write : “Diagnosed OCD, Tourette’s, Major Depression.. and more diagnoses (I am embarrassed about naming them all”

    Reading Stephen Covey about 20 years ago, an opinion he shared stuck with me : don’t name it, because then it owns you

    #447898
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Hi Anita
    Hope you are well and enjoying the summer. As this is a like a journal I want to share something that is bothering me.

    When my daughter was in high school, 15 years ago, she had an exchange with a girl of a similar age from a different continent. This girl stayed with us for 5 weeks and we ensured she got life value from the experience by bringing her around the country and to cultural events. About 8 years ago my daughter did travel to this girls country and spent a few days with her. My understanding is they have been sporadically in touch with each other.

    Fast forward to this week. This girl came to our town for a few days vacation with her mother, her spouse and her 5 year old son (from a previous relationship). My drive is to take care of people but my daughter arranged very few activities with these people and in my view is playing cool & distant with them. We hosted them for dinner in our home one evening, which was very successful but my daughter does not want us to do any more hosting. My daughter & her partner have a new small home, and she has not invited those people to her home, even for a coffee, I find this strange.

    I feel that these people came all this way to spend time with my daughter . It would have been very expensive for them on average incomes in their home country. I feel we have let these people down and my daughter is blocking me from spending more time with them , she knows I would arrange activities which would take pressure off her.

    I understand that there are people dynamics here that I don’t understand, my question is why do I feel very bothered about this situation, I put myself in the shoes of the visitors and feel a disappointment with my daughter. My wife tells me to forget about it, just roll with it as we are on the periphery.

    I often feel other people pain & disappointment , whether real or imagined.

    Gerard 🙂

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 23 total)