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Hi Prash,
Thanks a lot for asking, I have seen my therapist and I have a better insight of what is at stake. I will try to maintain my focus on things that I can have control on.Hi Anita,
Yes, there was no drama in my previous relationship, we are still in contact and I still want the best for him, I really hope he will be happy in his life. And he wants the same for me. I am grateful for the moments we had together.
I agree, I also do think after some dating that someone with a secure or a more anxious style would better suits me.With the current guy, he has not answered yet, I am not sure he will answer, though. I think he has still some issues he needs to work on, as I do on my own. I think he made one step closer two weeks ago and freaked out, that’s why he If he doesn’t answer, I think it is for the better, I don’t want to open to someone who is not able to answer me. I don’t blame him, he has certainly his reasons. If he does, I will then decide based on the new information he will be able to give me. It is strange because when I see myself in this current situation i can’t believe I was in a healthy relationship for that long, but I know that every relationship has its own flow.
Thanks again for reading and sharing your insights.
Helen
HelenParticipantDear Anita,
Thanks for your answer. It is the first time I ask the question and of course I don’t have any answer, I am okay with whatever happens next. It is his will to answer me or not, I don’t have any control on this but I asked.
I had few dates before this guy and before I was in a long distance relationship for 8 years. He was more the anxious type and we got along very well, we lived together for a year and half and I had to move for my job. We had some issues but we were willing to talk about them, except the main problem at that time: incompatible live projects, he was planning to be an organic farmer and I needed to be in a big city for my job. He was ok with sacrificing his project to be with me but I didn’t want him to do that, I thought that one day he would resent me for living in a city where he has no friends and a job he hates. He has now abandoned his project to be able to live in another country to learn the language and be closer to his friends but don’t have a very stable professional project.
HelenHelenParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for taking the time to answer. I didn’t calmly write what we have exchanged. I ask him he wanted to meet, he said he was busy and then going to holidays. I then replied that is fine and wish him good holidays and ask, between us are we fine or do you have things to tell me? I prefer a clarification rather than asking myself if he was trying to make some space, avoid me or being really busy. I can’t know without asking him.
I do understand your questions, though. When I said I tried, I mean I tried to let go, to not ask myself too many questions and tried to date casually. i can’t deactivate my anxious mode but I can’t keep asking questions to myself about him and making the answers as well for him.
It is because I don’t feel myself in this anxious mode that I am okay with it ending. I learnt amazing things, I had good times and laughed a lot, but maybe our two attachment styles are too different to let the relationship unfold at its pace.
Helen
HelenParticipantHi again everyone,
I am starting to fell appart. I had a so-so experience with my last date with him, i tried to regain confidence. I was thinking it was maybe just not our days for either of us. So I offered him to see each other this week and he is busy and will leave for holidays. Not offering any suggestion to meet. So I wish him good holidays but ask him if we were fine or does he have something to tell me ? I know it is not the best option to text but I feel I have activated my anxious mode and will probably not meet each other until the end of the month. I feel that I needed to ask him.
If it is good between us, fine I will deactivate my anxious mode. If he becomes more avoidant (as I sense it like that) and will just not respond or end this relation, I want to know. I know that there is no certainty in relationships, but I want to move on if he keeps being avoidant and not ruin my holidays being in limbo without knowing if he wants space but too afraid to tell me. I want to find inner peace again, I know I will be okay with any option. I tried and will try again but not now.
Helen
HelenParticipantHi Prash,
Thanks for your suggestion. I am examining my inner critic and it is stunning how many things it has to say and how mean it is. According to it, I am not lovable, not attractive, not interesting enough. I know deep-down that it is not true, that my real self is lovable, attractive and interesting but I am shocked by how harsh this inner critic is. It made me cry to realize how I was and still am talking to myself.
Hi Mark,
Yes, thank you for suggesting that and for this article, it is always nice to keep that in mind. I read two books on Attachment styles (Too close for comfort and Insecure in love), they don’t have exactly the same denominations but the ideas are similar. I think he is dismissive, no need for love, with low anxiety and high avoidance and I am more fearful, conflicted in love with high anxiety and high avoidance. I feel I am in constant tension between being too close or too distant, and adopting the same ways of communication. He is not a texter? I won’t text. He doesn’t introduce me to his friends? I don’t either. I am working on that with mindfulness, still baby steps!
Hi Anita,
Thanks for sharing this experience with the bird, it is another way to see the fear that I haven’t been able to see, the fact that it is special and it will give us the confidence to do it again with less fear. I will try this approach.
I can see that I have to rebuild inner peace after this episode but I am grateful for your advices, listening and understanding.
Helen
HelenParticipantDear Anita,
Thanks for your thoughtful message.
When I read you, it makes perfect sense to ask him to clarify what he stated without being confrontational. And I tried to, but when I am caught in my pattern of insecurities I freeze. Part of me also wants to know if it is a casual date or not, but I don’t know if I can handle the conversation and really wants to hear the answer. It would be maybe healthier than avoiding the conversation.
I am also wondering if it is my critical inner voice that is trying to find any flaw in this relationship, in me, in him, to stop this relationship and stop vulnerability because all of this challenges this voice.
Helen
HelenParticipantDear Anita,
Thanks for your message. I have been practicing mindfulness by reading books, doing meditation, journaling my anxieties. I havent’t mentionned that before but I have seen a psychologist for the past three years. I have made some space for my critical inner voice so i can’t detach my real self from my antiself and ego. I made some progress and it reflects on my relationship with this guy i am dating.
I had a great night last week but yesterday he was very distant, physically and emotionnally. I don’t know if he sees us as just casual dating or if he has difficulties to engage in a love relationship. I know I am fearful avoidant, so when the other person withdraws, I tend to withdraw too, I am afraid of asking what is happening because I don’t know if I see things that have no ground in reality and caused by my insecurities or not.And when I am in this state, I find it very difficult to deactivate this mode, to do all the things that I do to be mindful, I just feel very tired emotionnally to fight the critical inner voice and insecurities.
Helen
HelenParticipantHello Matt,
Thanks for your answers.
You have pointed out yourself that in order to share activities with her, you have to reconnect with the things you like to do, could it be a way for you to lessen your anxiety?
You say that you are stuck with your insecurities and anxiety, do they momentarily disappear? Even briefly?
You also mentionned that sometimes you manage to break this circle of anxiety and doubts, can you tell when does it happen? What is your state of mind or maybe the environment you are in that help?
You say that one of your patterns is being jealous with people around your girlfriend, even with older teachers, could you really picture your girlfriend leaving for one of her older teacher?
Personally, it helps me a lot to do some writing, to just notice the patterns that repeat without blaming myself. From what I read, you say you have anxiety in your life in general, so maybe in your love life can feel intense because you don’t have any control of the other person’s reactions.
HelenParticipantDear Matt,
I think I can relate to some of the feelings you were describing.
Rather than sharing your insecurities, have you tried to share some of the things you like and invite her to discover new activities or hobbies?
By this way, you open up little by little and experience things together and have a common ground?
I have also observed than when people become distant, the other is reacting rather than acting, reacting by become even more distant and maybe this is why you feel deconnected from her.
Have you pointed out other patterns from your past relationships?
Helen
HelenParticipantHi Anita, thanks for your thoughts.
I get that this is the gap in attachment that feeds my anxiety. I can feel that when I don’t ask myself too many questions and go with the flow, it turns out well. I dated other guys at the beginning of this relationship but I didn’t feel at ease doing that. The other person I dated was more into texting and reassuring but I felt that he was similar to me in his reactions, so it was interesting to see how I can react in relationships.
I prefer seeing my friends, doing outdoors activities that focusing and spending my time too much on dating.
I feel that there is a lesson to learn, I want to find a balance between being avoidant and wanting the connection. I have been with someone for 8 years but I was too afraid to have a real connection, to commit, to live in the same city, even if we understood each other very well and spent very good quality time together. I know my anxiety is something that I am working on, willing to work on, and maybe this relationship won’t last, but it will help me to understand me better and lead me to healthier relationships.
HelenParticipantThanks a lot, Anita. In fact, I have a question – how to stay focus in the present but still nourishing a relationship? Because if I really listen to the advice to be present in the moment: in the present time, there is no anticipation, so does it mean that when he is not there by my side, I should live as a single person?
I ask this question because I was in a long-distance relationship before, and texting was a big part of maintaining the connection. However, this person is living in the same city, is not a huge texter as I mentionned before. So each time I want to write him, I pause: do I write him because I want to verify my self-worth? do I want to see him? What are the reasons?
And I guess in my mind, few messages = poor communication, lack of connection. However, I know that each relationship is different. I think my old schemes and ideas are still resisting…
HelenParticipantDear Mark, dear Anita,
Thanks a lot for your positive and mindful messages. I can feel that mindfulness is a practice, and it is a real effort to look at old schemes and just let them go. I also think that we ask for lessons to learn, and I can see that even if sometimes I resist, life gives me the opportunities to grow. He is leaving for holidays so this will give me plenty of time to practice mindfulness and work on the anxiety state.
HelenParticipantThanks Anita for taking the time to answer me, I am grateful for that. I agree with the things you suggest, i can feel that step by step is the way to make this relationship grow, and give me the opportunity to grow.
You are right, when I feel strong anxiety, I want a quick and, in general, straightforward answer and action even if I know it is not the right call. But sometimes, especially when I think and feel there is distorsion between my emotional attachment and his, I feel difficult to maintain this attitude and path.
I will try small, casual conversations with him, it is something to work on. I like how you phrase “cautiously vulnerable”, I guess I read the word vulnerability so often and because I am usually an “all-or-nothing”, I am learning to see all the different shades or layers.
HelenParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you very much for your message. In fact, I don’t really know, he has introduced me to some of his friends recently, he can say cute things but also being avoidant, offering me to see other guys on dating apps (for what I understand, he was in an open relationship at the end of his last relationship but wasn’t a good experience). I don’t know how to interpret that, whether he wants to just want a casual relationship or ne in an exclusive relationship.
To be honest, I like him, he is independant, sensitive and easy-going, I am considering to really try to be vulnerable with him, but I think it triggers my fear of rejection (related to childhood) so I try to protect myself, even if I know that being vulnerable is the only way to have a true and deep connection with someone.
I have the feeling that I spend so much time, reviewing the situation, the dates we have, what he said, what I said, that it is exhausting. I don’t know if it is my mind that speaks and thinks that because I spend a lot of time thinking about that, it means I am not ready, or because my mind is scared to fall in love. Or that the other’s person ambiguity is a clear signal that he justs want a casual relationship, and then I don’t think that it is what I am looking for. I don’t want to find my one soulmate, but a person who wants to really try to be with someone.
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