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External – did what I was asked for.
Internal – liked my mam, more idealized my dad – he wasn’t home a lot but based my idea of him on what mam said – not positive.
My dad wasnt focused on emotions. Rough up bringing. His sons (us) were never good enough.
Mam did absolutely everything possible for us, but turned out as an adult to manipulate through guilt tripping a lot.
JohnParticipantI can’t remember how I cared for her. Something else came to my mind… i never saw my dad caring for her, as a child I didn’t learn how to care for my mam.
I didn’t feel she cared for me emotionally, but she did a lot in likes of clothes, food, tidy home etc. I am strongly looking for emotional connection with my woman as adult. I remember feeling like having two Me’s. One external and one internal – I liked to look at small objects that were forgotten and unimportant and focus on them.
JohnParticipantDo you think I may be recreating home by making woman to be in distress? (The woman we talk about accuses me of being cold, not caring of her emotions, she did everything etc. – but thats at point of cutting the losses off).
Or am I used to woman who is in distress and easily accepting it without 2nd thought. I feel I want to help / rescue. I want her to be happy. The last relationship… I underestimated the size of work that needs to be done. Just thought if I care/love/be present all will be good. Turned it but me instead.
JohnParticipantYes, my mother wasn’t happy in relationship with my dad. She didn’t feel appreciated, he left the whole home for her care including two small of us. He was taking off after work to his friends in the garage fixing cars and so on. She cried a lot, they argued, she left one day saying she us leaving, but came back few minutes later. I remember I was standing there looking at her and closing door devastated.
She used to take a lot of pain killers (don’t know why), after she had my brother she was affraid to leave home, her friend recommended a book to her. Helped apparently. But I see my mom as quite full of various fears although she can be dominating and harsh at times.
JohnParticipantI spoke with her for a year online before I met her, we spoke openly about partners, life, her pain after husbands death and so on. Within few months from meeting her I KNEW she has plenty of grieving to do and I helped her going through it. We spoke a lot, she cried even more. Throughout the process I clearly communicated how in my view relationship looks like, about mine and hers expectations. We matched fully in regards to it. Thats why I went deeper. She made clear with me that she had light relationships with men as she had no capacity for relationship and did things just to ease the pain. We agreed on commitment – she asked for exclusivity and I agreed.
Entering the relationship showed differences in this field. Basically, what I heard didn’t match with what I experienced with her. Early days I saw her not getting close emotionally with me. After few light remarks over few weeks I cried to her on the couch saying that something here is not right. That her emotional distancing doesn’t match what we did and spoke about before. She was telling me it must be difficulties at work, sick father etc. Turned out disctractions that were interrupting her emotional closeness were quite permanent and various. Like she still wasn’t ready for relationship.
I cared who she is, I saw flaws, I believed and we spoke about it that what she did before she met me wasn’t her desired path. That depression took sensitivity off, that she was just surviving allowing herself quick fixes of happiness. That she didnt feel like she wanted to be alive.
JohnParticipantGenerally yes. I made it clear: for me to stay in this relationship, this and that would have to happen. Otherwise this is not for me.
I felt if she is in pain of loosing me, that she would respect my boundaries to keep me.
Choices good for her to make if she wants a relationship with me.
JohnParticipantI felt this reaction is outside her spectrum. Saw this as over reacting. I wasnt able to calm her down. Never saw anything like this before… but… I felt as well that this reaction shows emotional intensity and her intent must be somehow real. Something that I take into consideration although general view on her hobesty.
We both were crying over that week. I wanted to do a proper closure. This relationship was important to me. I wanted to allow my emotions to come to surface and wanted time to think my decision through. We ve spent a whole week o conversing and crying over it all. I remember one of her sentenes “I am so stupid, I always f… something up”.
I am a person who judges state of myself in stillness… without interruptions like work. This is when I can feel myself real.
JohnParticipantThank you Mark.
I decided few weeks back to tidy up my faulty attraction as this is the 2nd woman in my life who causes such feelings in me and I am deciding to depart in pain although clear signs. I have started therapy, big effort, I drive 2 hours to meet this very therapist. I am eager to get to the bottom of my choices. Whatever the outcome, I post it here in time.
Thank you all for care and time to respond.
JohnParticipantWhy am I love sick? Why haven’t I simply rejected from my life what doesn’t vibrate with me. Why do I do it all?? I don’t understand why I still hang on hope that some magic will turn this all so my life with her becomes painless? Why have I been there for so long? Why do I have so much trust in those who don’t appreciate it?
So many questions so little answers.
JohnParticipantOh… yes, she may be that type of person.
JohnParticipant…she never admitted she sent naked picture to Peter, she said about him before she knew it will be a conversation about images….
JohnParticipantAnita, I had that idea she is pushing me out as time goes by, but what would be contradicotry to it… amount of pain on her side. Calls with sister, she finally made appointment with a therapist (she didnt want to go along with this idea when I was asking as amount of issues rose silently in the background), she again skipped work when I announce breaking news… and so on.
I thought she is fullfilling her own prophecy of her being affraid that “I leave her when I get to know her” and giving reasons to clash to resolve.
JohnParticipantExcuse me please faulty spellings. I am using my phone to respond.
JohnParticipantShe did. She drove down to me 100 miles to talk to me (only 2nd time in one year), to soothe my emotions. She cruied a lot and was angry I don’t want to believe her. She was saying she disconnected from him emotionally long time ago (wasn’t involved with him for a year before she started with me). She said she can’t promise she will delete him from hes life as they work in the same undustry and as much as she doesn’t want she may still meet him at fairs and so on. She rejected tho the idea of quitting the job all together or moving down to my city as she isn’t the type who would settle in another place – she says she is an introvert – oh she is not especially after two drinks.
She says I am overreacting, I am jelaus type, this is nothing and this is to do with my unhealed wounds from the past. She basically says she lied but it wasn’t against me as she didn’t cheat or did anything with him on male-female field.
She had a few phonecalls with her sister being upset of what I am saying… but she said to her between the lines …I think he doesn’t like I have a sentimen towards Peter and I lied to him a few times over it… She does understand what she did. She doesn’t agree that to me fully.
Plenty of conversation, mixed signals.
JohnParticipantYes, I read it at that time Anita. It actually helped me to understand a bit more what may be happening on the other side.
This could be the case that there is a desire to meet own needs regardless of surrounding tighs. I sense there may be emotional maturity issue since she had let me in between her family and kids, but couldn’t meet some commitments – treat relationship as priority. It just came to my mind… I often asked her to introduce me to her circle but she never did, I always had to do it myself.
I see so many issues now in this relationship, I was able to see chaos around this lady, but neve thought it will affect me too. Words didnt match actions throughout. She tells me how involved she was and all I can see is unresponded phone calls, feeling of being kept at arms distance and lack of empathy from her side.
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