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August 24, 2018 at 3:30 pm #222921Me2445Participant
Hi Anita,
Once again, I like the practical approach you suggest at the end. Be an observer and listen (engaged), notice what the “automatic” reaction is with certain types of emotional triggers (e.g. – anger), and stay grounded in my values (e.g. responding with compassion, but rejecting the silent treatment). This cascaded a lot of thoughts in me, re: how to go about creating that “safe” environment to work on issues in the relationship. I think it takes honesty, listening skills and emotional awareness on both partners to really achieve that. It seems to me in a healthy relationship we should be able to both work on the issues and work on “being better at working on issues”.
I can give you an update on communication with my ex. She eventually reached out to let me know she was going on a trip with a friend, and hoping to use the time for reflection and to “reset”; she mentioned thinking of me/us and that she considered my offer to meet in Europe but tickets were too expensive. That was 3 days ago; since then we’ve been connecting/exchanging daily by text message, and I can sense a change of “tone”/more openness on her part. (there was no apology though for the silent treatment).
I know this doesn’t mean that we will get back together (we need to have an in person discussion when we are both back in a couple of weeks about how things would need to evolve), but I’m glad that lines of communication are open again. My perspective is that I should not focus on whether we will get back together, but rather on continuing to heal and maintaining such a mindset that, if the right conditions for us to get back together show up again, then I will be able to identify and seize the opportunity as a better partner myself.
ME
August 20, 2018 at 3:13 pm #222263Me2445Participantps: no response as of yet
August 20, 2018 at 3:12 pm #222259Me2445ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your kind words at the end. Slowly but steadily the narrative in my mind is changing from “I can’t believe I scr***d this up” to “I did everything I could with what I had in the end” and “there were toxic patterns on both sides and what we need is not to pick up the relationship where we left it but instead to see if there is a way to evolve it into something healthier”;.
You’re right about the passive-aggressive behavior preceding me; that’s actually something I remember telling her multiple times during the course of our relationship (“You can’t be upset because of me not reading your mind”… ” You say something is ok but you act like you’re not ok”). She did acknowledge that trait in herself and was making efforts to be more straightforward when something bothered her (although sometimes that meant straight up “aggressive”).
She did apologize to me for certain reactions/behaviors through the course of our relationship (and so did I before). I really believes she is a good, honest, decent, thoughtful woman. This doesn’t make her current approach less frustrating/hurtful to me, but perhaps her withdrawing has something to do with how she deals with upsetting experiences based on her childhood trauma (without getting into details, she was physically abused as a child), trauma that perhaps have shaped some of her “withdrawal” instincts which are still unresolved today and which were triggered by the situation (she mentioned a few weeks ago she felt “empty inside when it came to thinking of me or responding to my messages, like her brain was “Shutting down”).
I have accepted that if there is ever a path forward for her and I, it will mean we have both worked on/are both working on our unresolved insecurities and issues. Yet I still cannot harbor any resentment or feeling that she “does not deserve me” – how could I blame her for unhealthy reactions coming from unresolved issues, when my anxiety stemmed from my own unresolved issues?
The hopeless romantic in me is having a hard time not seeing the “tragedy” of the situation (perhaps that in itself is part of my unresolved issues – the idea that with love and passion and willingness to make things work together we can overcome any relationship difficulty). Perhaps this is how we learn that a relationship also has pre-requisites on timing, external factors, and emotional health of both partners. I feel like I have / am definitely learning a lot of from this experience – I will approach my future relationships with a more balanced and mature perspective. I just hope the feeling of “disillusionment” about the nature of love and relationship will subside.
ME
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August 18, 2018 at 4:33 pm #222055Me2445ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for the suggestion re: Tai Chi. I tried it many years ago, and have been thinking about giving it another shot. I have been getting into yoga, and found that it helps to develop mindfulness and manage “stiffness” in the body. I do miss the strategic/”playful” aspect of martial arts and want to explore a couple of options given my condition (including Tai Chi, and japanese sword). It sounds like you stopped practicing, may I ask why if you are open to sharing on that?
And thank you for the positive reinforcement re: my decision. I struggled to get there, and to be honest I need to remind myself several times a day that things will be ok if I do not get a response or if things end here. Even though I truly believe in and try to practice “letting go”, it still hurts. I am told this gets easier with time 🙂
As you might be guessing I have not heard back as of yet. Some of my friends and family are advising to “forget about her” and “move on”. But I find it impossible / undesirable to “forget”, that would be like “denying” a story and feelings that were true and meaningful to me. At the same time, “moving on” in this situation feels like moving from A to B, where B is still unknown (that’s ok) but A is also not clear (that’s frustrating). Perhaps I am too hung up on “what could have been” instead of “what actually was” in this relationship.
ME
August 17, 2018 at 3:46 pm #221973Me2445ParticipantDear Anita,
You’re right about HCM – any strenuous or competitive physical activity is dangerous, and while I can’t resign myself to just golf (like my cardiologists joke), I have had to give up things like martial arts and soccer that I used to love. And indeed, stress is not good for the heart, especially the broken ones (literally and figuratively) 🙂
I thought about your point about not taking all the blame in the relationship and not accepting the “silent treatment”. You’re right that a relationship on the whole is a shared responsibility, and that not recognizing that (i.e. thinking that the relationship can work again if only make efforts to learn from my mistakes) in a sense goes against rebuilding my self-worth which has been affected by the recent life events.
That being said, in spite of my frustration with her silence I felt like I owed it to her to allow her space to think things through and get some clarity, if that’s what she was trying to tell me but is not able to communicate; I know this situation has affected her deeply too (I notice she lost much weight) and that in the end we are all trying our best, if we assume people are not looking to hurt other intentionally (and I don’t believe she is). I do want to be with someone who is consistent, and honest/straightforward; and so I thought I should continue to act as such myself, like I have been doing in the past 4 weeks, and not deviate from that – playing mindgames with “no contact” and waiting strategies is not who I want to be, and that I should show her that.
So I decided to follow your advice and send her a response now, taking responsibility again for my share of the issues, and letting her know i hope that when and if she will be able to communicate her thoughts she will feel comfortable coming to me, however conflicted she may be about our relationship; that I was available always if she wanted to talk and that I wished for her to be well either way. Crafting what I felt was a stable/resolute yet compassionate message was the way to be true to myself. I reminded myself I may not get a response for a few days or at all, and if that’s the case it will be ok – I cannot control what she does, but I can control what I do, and at least I will have no regrets because I will not have let my ego stand in the way of doing what I felt was right, I will have done what takes more courage for me even if she didn’t. That feeling in turn will help me focus on my own wellbeing in the meantime – something that will be good for me regardless of the outcome.
I thought about the notion of “shared responsibility”, and realized it also means that the relationship doesn’t “belong” to either person. So if she doesn’t want to engage anymore, I should not feel regret about being left “holding” something broken by myself, because that would mean there is nothing left to “hold” anymore.
I will keep you updated on her response, if and when it comes (and even if it doesn’t…). I would love to hear your thoughts on the above in the meantime. Thank you again for taking the time to listen and share your perspective.
ME
August 16, 2018 at 11:32 am #221769Me2445ParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for your response. Your thoughts are wise and encouraging and I really appreciate you taking the time to share them with me. You are totally right about emotional health and not reacting “automatically” – that’s one aspect I am trying to work on, and I have found that regular exercise & breathing practice (yoga notably) helps to settle thoughts down.
Re: the health issue, I have a congenital heart disease called hypertophic cardiomyopathy (HCM), which can trigger sudden cardiac death (my father passed away from the same disease very young). I was diagnosed 3 years ago, have been taking beta-blockers daily since. I realized that until now I had repressed my feelings towards the disease and was forcing myself to feel resigned/”nonplussed” about the possibility that I may die suddenly at any given point in time; I think that participated to my tendency of wanting to deal with everything by myself. After some tests done earlier this year, I found that I need to undergo a procedure to implant a defibrillator, a sort of “life insurance” in case something happens in my heart. It is not a benign procedure at my age (physically and aesthetically), and for a while I think I did not know how to react to this other given all the other things that were happening; but after meeting recently another young person whose life was saved thanks to the same procedure, I decided that it was time for me to be proactive about living again (vs. being resigned to dying randomly) and am ready to it as soon as this fall.
You are also right that the responsibility for contacting my ex was mine alone – I have expressed that to her, but perhaps not in a way that made her feel secure/understood, so I will express that again. About 1 week ago I actually gave her a letter I wrote where I expressed that and other areas that I took responsibility for (notably, for not listening/communicating deeply enough when we argued and for resisting leaning on her by fear of appearing “weak”). She read the letter in front of me; her reaction was : “I don’t see this as the end” and “it means a lot to me” (that’s when we kissed / laughed, and she decided to leave her things with me), but also “how is one to trust that your newfound clarity will last” (I offered for us to go to counseling if she were open to that, and for us to go on a trip together to reconnect). That was last week, but since then it’s been the pulling away again (not responding to my asking if I could see her before I leave on my trip, avoiding any mention of what we discussed re: counseling and trip).
It turns out I just received a message from her as I am writing this response (life has funny timing sometimes). She saw that I arrived in Paris today (to see my family) and sent “I hope you enjoy time with your family and have a good trip – I know you will.” So this feels like another mixed message (she didn’t really respond to my messages before I left) – perhaps as you suggested she is truly conflicted about where her head is at and wants to see if I can really become and remain that better version of myself.
I like your approach for #7 – my intuition was telling me to do that but I was afraid of appearing “needy” or “pushy”, and your suggestion encourages me to go ahead. Would you recommend me I send now or wait a bit (e.g. a few days or when I am back in 3 weeks)? That feels far ahead in time and against my intuition but at the same time I want to show her I can “hold” the space she is willing to give me patiently.
ME
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