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Hey Anita,
The only thing I can change in your text is she was not always in the same intensity. Some days she was switching to silence treatment (and well this was my favourite to be honest at least the whole building is not hearing her yelling me and calling me bad names) I remember her opening the window and yelling one time that “my daughter X is selfish she makes her mum sad” , also with my friends she was saying stuff like “I am a great mum but she doesnt understand, she is bad at this she is bad at that” etc. I remember being so much embarrassed and angry. One time one of my friends was going to come and visit me (I think it was my birthday) mum made a poster written “I am the worst daughter ever, I am selfish, my mum is an angel but I love making mum sad” with a picture of me. She taped it to the most visible place in my room. I took it out but she beat me and sticked it back. I was around 12. My friend came and saw it and asked me why do I have a poster like that. I was ashamed and tell her it was a joke. Mum also bought a sticker saying Beware of the Crazy person and sticked it to my bedroom door. I turned it into a joke by creating my own papers and sticking them to my door next to them with the superhero effects. Whoosh, Bam etc. So I can say she was consistent in her abuse but she was switching between different types so it is better to say different intensities. I remember couple of times she coming near me and ordering me to hug her and saying see even though you are a bad child, i have a heart of a mother so i forgive you. I stopped obeying this as well when I got older.
She was still like that prior me leaving the house as well 5 years ago, saying stuff like you cant even survive one day.I remember telling her over and over that even she was able to, so I will do it ×100 better.
I would love to read your related story about imagination.
Take care
AtesParticipantDear Anita,
For a child/ teenager who spends a lot of time alone with her abusive mother, with no one to protect her inside the home, and no friends/ social support outside the home- getting somewhat used to abuse and rebelling against it would be impossible.
I do not think it is impossible because I am the living proof of it lol. I never had any outside social support either. I had friends yes and I was extremely talkative but I never was emotionally close to them. I was mostly a jokester, never showed my emotions to them either. I was there for them when they needed but I never showed any of my own emotions. They always thought I was extremely careless and also very cold hearted. Some of them stopped being friends with me due to this. I didnt show them any since I dont like sharing and also because I wanted to be their rock and their problem solver when they had problems. Not even one of them knew if I was having a bad day, I was always a goofball. (Now I am open with just one of my friends) I could be crying all night alone at my room but I would never ever show it to anyone the next day. No one suspected a thing.
My only support was my imagination. I was generally daydreaming, always creating adventurous scenarios in my head and playing them. Had my imaginary friends, adventure buddies etc. Didnt matter where I was or when it was, I was always making up completely randomized stories. Can be about an object I see, can be about some words that I hear from someone talking, Books i read, movies/ tv shows/ documentaries i watched etc. It didnt really matter I would create an imaginary world for me. In high school I had an imaginary crush too.
Come to think of it, if my relationship is starting going badly my imagination acts again generating my imaginary crush back that tells me I should break up this is not working. Even if I suppress my imaginations he comes to my dreams. (I was scared of this happening but now actually I am happy that it was happening. It was an unconscious warning sign for me, we were really not compatible with my exes) The same thing happens if I am feeling lonely as well, I start daydreaming a lot. Didnt consider this before, I need to analyze this more. Since apparently my imagination was my safe place.
limerence is the daydreaming of the lonely child,
You said this before it really makes sense when these all combined. I was also trying to suppress my limerence by reminding myself my imaginary crush. It sometimes worked. It became my last resort though because I was/am scared that I would get used to it soo much that if I meet with someone that I genuinely like I cant stop my imaginations and ruin the chance for a real relationship without not even being able to start probably.
A very self-centered, child-like and cruel woman indeed.
I see it now as she was not ready to be a mother and not everyone should be a parent. However everyone has their own troubles with life. I could have continued hating her but at the end she is a problematic person that was not able to fix by herself and took all her own problems by abusing her child. Yes she traumatized me but if she was a healthy person she wouldnt do this. The people who hurt other people, are hurting inside even more. So I do not understand why and I dont want to help fixing her since it triggers me, but I forgave her. I still think it was unfair what happened to me, however what is done is done and I do not want to be stuck in those memories. I am a grown up woman, I love myself, I care for myself. I am the saviour that I was waiting for and I am trying to be the perfect caregiver to the inner traumatized young me. They both shouldnt be parents but the damage is already done. I took a lot of my time being angry. I am no longer angry at them, I only pity them that they were not able to be wise enough. We are more civil in terms of our relationship, I visit them and spend time with them. When I feel they are starting to be toxic, I just leave. We are not a happy family however we do not have much arguments anymore since we are not much around each other.
I remember you telling me you had similar problems too Anita, I do not know if you are still angry or not. Letting go of your anger is extremely hard, but once you are able to it is extremely freeing. I am disappointed yes, but I can continue on with my life without this burden. It was a hard road but at the end I mostly recovered from these. However I still have other problems that occured from these chilhood events. As in my first message, my limerence problem and my doubts about possibilities of sincere relationships.
AtesParticipantHello Anita,
will show whatever emotions that will satisfy her mother: be it fear, sadness, regret, guilt, shame..
I always hid my emotions, when I was falling down and getting injured I remember I didnt want anyone to think me as weak, therefore was bearing with my pain and saying nah it didnt hurt even a bit, and continue running around. For example when I was around 4, I was going to a preschool. I was very energetic, (hyperactivity level energetic) I was running down the stairs and apparently someone left open a door. I ran into that door and the door handle hurt near my eye. (I still have the wound of it, if it was some mm closer I would probably lose my eye) I remember they give me some ice and it was hurting so much. But we had a music lesson at that time, where we sit near a piano and sing songs. I remember sucking it up and singing as good as I can while pressuring my wound with the ice. (This is probably the oldest memory I am able to remember) So I always had this not showing emotions mentality, cant say I earned it after I got older.
the first adjective you assigned to her is “depressed”, not angry, not violent.
This is due to my now perspective of her, I think her as frustrated and depressed. But of course at that time I wasnt seing her like that, probably better to say cruel, mean and angry.
What was it about your mother that was/ is not very scary?
I was scared of her at first but it was everyday so I got used to it. Her abuse was everyday, either calling me mean names, yelling about anything she can find, and sometimes beating me. Mostly she was telling mean stuff about my personality and then spinning the topic back to her. How she was a victim and I was the bad person. Like I can just leave a comb in another room and she would start yelling and cursing at me, then come near me and continue by looking at my face then tell how she is so unlucky because I was selfish etc. “She was the greatest mom ever, everyone would loved to be her daughter but she got me.” So after some time I got used to it I think. I was sure she was gonna throw some fit, so I was no longer scared. I can say my scare turned into disgust. I was going to do my way whatever happens because I didnt want to obey someone disgusting. We do not have even one similar interest now, we cant chat much without other one getting bored. She is extremely feminine and I am a tomboy. She loves makeup, design, clothes, shopping, I hate all, dont care about any of them. I love talking about games, sports, science. She does not care. So not much to talk, we can watch a movie together if I visit them at least. She was telling me that she wanted to have a daughter so she can do make up on her like an easel, but instead she got me, a small boy. This stuff hurts but you get used to it eventually. And start thinking if a pitiful person like her doesnt like it then I am doing something correct. Maybe not a mature thinking but I was a kid at that time so it is as it is.
is still, very much anxiety/ the ongoing fight-and-flight response (there are many symptoms), and therefore the suggestions in the article (1-7) still apply.
Ok, I will check them out.
Thanks Anita.
AtesParticipantDear Anita,
I do not remember if I was having anxiety problems when I was little. I just remember I was happy when I was out of my house and angry, isolated and fed up when I was inside. For ex. I do not remember crying and yelling when I was locked in the bathroom. I was tryig to find the best coping way. I didnt want to show my bad emotions to my mum because she would feel satisfied. Since I knew It was cold I hid a blanket, and a book to not get bored. She was leaving the house after locking me as well. One time she came earlier and I wasnt able to hide back my book she saw I was reading so from that time on she was turning the lights off as well, therefore I started hiding a flashlight as well. There was nothing to do, nowhere to run so needed to find a solution for that scenario. I was not silent either, I knew I was gonna be punished more but I was still responding back to my mum. Not responding meant surrendering for me, didnt want to give her the satisfaction. She was telling me everything was my fault all the time but one time she told me she punctured a needle to my finger when I was a couple months old baby, since I was not eating my food. A baby cant be at fault so I stopped thinking I am the one at fault.
Can you tell me your definition of the word anxiety?
I was having problems with my boss some years ago. For exapmle when he was calling I was not able to open the phone, I wanted to throw/crash the phone (I am very frugal never harm any possessions I have), wanted to cry, was having cold sweats and rapid heart beats. It was passing as soon as I finish the phone call.
shortness of breath, right?
When I was saying strangle I didnt mean it as shortness of breath. Sorry if it was understood that way, am not a native english speaker. It is more like the thoughts that never leave like I need to leave, I need to go, I need to run away kind of never ending thoughts. More like you need to get air because there is not much air at where you are. Like I can still breath but I just need to go outside type. Maybe better to say as I feel like I am in a cage, chained from my throat, must find a way out of here and run away. I can still take breaths but I feel the pressure on my throat. The differences between this and the prior one are,
- this one is consistent. Prior one it stops but this one it increases and decreases in intensity however never seems to go away if it starts.
- Prior one I dont feel like trapped.
- In prior one I have symptoms like cold sweats etc, this one I have running away thoughts that I can not seem to suppress.
After writing this I actually remembered that I was having the combination of both of these. I was having the prior one during contacting my boss, and I was having the second kind of feeling because I wanted to leave my job but I was not able to. So come to think of it, it was actually a combination of both. In my relationship I only have the latter one though.
I believed(I still do believe) I have some commitment problems. I currently work freelance btw, because I wanted to feel more free. I never liked when someone tells me/orders me stuff to do, mostly I do not listen.
AtesParticipantHello Anita,
Thank you for your reply I really appreciate you trying to help out.
My father was working and bringing money home yes. I would have rathered not having much stuff but have a loving father. He told me that he doesnt know how to react with kids some years ago, he still does not know how to show me love. The thing is I was never able to get angry at my father when I was little either, because he got paranoid schizophrenia when I was 6 years old. He was sick so he had a pass from me all the time. He is taking his medicines for years and he is ok.
How sad it is, that a person leaves behind nothing at all, in his daughter’s mind and heart
Well, I have some memories of him that I cant seem to forget. When he was first getting sick, he was nearly choking me. I was 6 at the time. Luckily some neighbours were with us and they took him off of me. My mum gave me a glass of water, he thought she was trying to poison me and he tried to save me. Well this is at least what they told me, I dont know if this is the truth or not, what else can you tell a 6 year old. I lived with my grandparents or uncle/aunt for some time. My dad knocked their door and yelled that he wants to see his daughter, he was holding tight to a notebook I had, never leaving it(I was writing poems or short stories to that notebook). I also remember my mum telling me that we will see my dad but I must not hug him. But these memories are the only ones I seem to remember. I had problems sleeping at night when I was living with my parents, I still do when I go for a sleepover there. I randomly wake up feeling my dad is watching me and going to do sth. (Luckily this never happened)
while father is extremely passive and doesn’t bother to stop his wife from abusing his little girl.
Yep he was seing it and hearing it but never tried to calm mum down or anything. He was just going to another room and not making any noise.
Everything got even worse when I learned my mum was cheating when I was 13. I saw her texts, saw her plane tickets, even heard her phone talks. Wanted to tell my dad but couldnt, because I felt like if I told him and it triggered his schizophrenia it would be my fault if he does sth. I hated my mum. I always hated lying, I am extremely sincere (maybe too much) and keeping a secret this big affected me extremely. My mum knew that I learned and she told me “are you gonna blackmail me with this, just go tell your father then”. I would never ever blackmailed her but she thinking of this broke my heart even more. I remember feeling extreme pain that I was not able to tell the truth but hoping that my dad was also cheating on my mum at least. So that would be at least a lil bit fair. After years of hating my mum, I no longer hate my mum either. Cant say I totally forgave but I understand that it was not easy for her as well.
health line. com in an article titled How Anxiety can Cause Shortness of Breath And What You Can Do, reads:
I dont know if I can say it as anxiety. I started to have anxiety 3-4 years ago, but that anxiety of mine only triggers when an event happens and it passes, they dont feel in a similar way either. This one never passes, it is not like a panic attack either. It never seems to ease for days, weeks, months. It only eases when I cut contact. During this time my partners actions starts hurting me and disappointing me even more. I understand that I need to break up if I get to the point of hurting my hands by pinching them too strong. ( I hated/ still hate crying, and would never want to cry in front of anyone. So when I was a kid I was looking to the ceiling and pinching my hands very hard, it helps me not cry. My hands burn and they become extremely red with nail marks. This became a habit for me though, and it happens when I am under extreme pressure. The last time this happened was 1 year ago with my last bf so I broke up in the next days)
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AtesParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you very much for your response.
the way I understand this is that as a child you received very little emotional care, hardly any.
Yes, my mom and dad had their own problems. My dad didnt really existed for me, I dont remember nothing about him. He was at home but extremely passive never cared for me. And mom was depressed and neurotic. Always yelling at me, beating me and locking me to the cold and dark bathroom.
Also, when you were a child, I imagine that you felt suffocated at home and wanted out, didn’t you?
I hated my home, wanted to leave it every day. Was not able to, so I was never leaving my bedroom. At least I was safer that way. I always wanted someone to save me, just take me by hand and get me out of here. I had daydreams about this saviour significant other every day. He never came, but I became my own saviour and left my home when I was able to. I tried living with roomies but I get suffocated as well. So I am living by myself, I got a cat though. ( I love him and he is like a child to me, he is my everything. However sometimes he makes the suffocation feeling too)
you felt lonely at home with your family, growing up, didn’t you?
I had lots of friends, lovely grandparents and a great aunt and an uncle. But they were not living with us and their feelings are not the same as parents. I still cry when I see advertisements of “mothers’ day” and “fathers’ day” where the kids have loving families. I love socializing with people but I am extremely independent and a loner inside. I never trust anyone truly, never ask anyone for help, I only share problems if I already overcome them. Always paranoid that I am going to love/like a friend/a SO and they will just disappoint me.
limerence is the daydreaming of the lonely child, stuck in an unhappy home, daydreaming of a different kind of home: a happy, loving home.
Yep this is me. Wanted to have a different family or wished I didnt even have a family at all. Better to have none then getting disappointed.
express and process your childhood experience of living in an unhappy home with too little emotional care: this is the birthplace of the craving that drives limerence
Thank you for this, I will do some thinking on this. I tried couple of times over the past years but I was so emotional that I didnt go deep in, I will try again maybe this time is the right time.
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AtesParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your reply. Unluckily I am not able to quit my advisor without quitting my masters, since he is the department head and professors are scared of him.
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