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    Thank you for your views on my parents…I never knwe black-and-white thinking could stem from my father’s youth..
    It does get on my nerves, though, that he tries to steer my life, telling me, that when I told him,l I want to move to another town, he said: but surely in the city centre, right?

    I mean, why does he think he can tell me these things?

    I am thinking about sending him an email with the things I found difficult with him. I also need more space from them…I’m just so afraid of his reaction…I don’t want to hurt him, at the same time, I’m afraid I’ll give in too much.

    J.
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    Hi Anita,

    I’ve been a bit busy so some delay in my answer. I have been up to something…really stupid…but I was so desparate. I have been reading up on attachment styles..and together with your ideas as well, I feel like fearful-avoidant sounds more likely..it would explain the hot-cold on my part..they say you want love but at the same time you’re seeply afraid of rejection so you start running…I think this was me and Philip, and I’ve done it before..

    But yesterday I had a talk with a friend…I shared the story..he said, well, you can always stop by…if you really feel like you can’t have closure…and maybe leave a letter..

    And my god…I did. I went to his town, and house…I’ve been there twice but found the address online cause I only remembered his housenumber…

    Then I ringed the bell twice, no answer. Then suddenly he came downstairs to go outside I think…and he opened the door and saw me, shouting “NOOO!” and then I said “please…?” standing there, letter to my chest. Then he ran up the stairs, shouting something similar in English to “FUCK OFF!!”

    Oh my god…I’ve let myself really go..I left and I quickly returned to put my letter in his mailbox. In there explained why I behaved the way I did, explaining my mental pattern a bit..

    Oh I am so ashamed, and on top of everything, I think I now destroyed all chances for reconciliation. I thought I would make it better by explaining everything…

    Maybe this lost chance will help me finally move on. I guess it’s the whats ifs that make me live in the past: cause what if it had worked out? Many friends tell me they found him too judgmental, not listening to my ideas in the world. And also, because he talked about other women so much.

    Sigh…I really messed this up..the crazy thing of all is that I really liked him…So destructive this pattern.
    Anyway – I ma talking to another guy, he does ask me way more questions, and makes sure he answers a bit more regularly. I do think this calms me down more, instead of someone who triggers my issues…

    Still. My god – I messed up something that could be great. A friend told me she expects Philip to not even read my card, and just throw it away or burn it. Wonder what he thinks of me…

    J.
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    Also, my mum thinks my father too harsh in ways: she is sort of kind hearted, with a love for animals and a wish to help kids (mostly who have ADHD or who are otherwise different from the rest) and my father can be very logical, slightly colder if he needs to, eventhough he has a deep feeling for sensitive people too, he has been through a lot as a kid: his brother was very difficult and I believe it was him who had to protect his siblings and counsel his parents.

    J.
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    Hi Anita,

    Yes, about my parents: I am from a family of six, I have an older brother, than me, Than a brother and sister. My parents are still together, even though my mum (over) shares a lot about my father does not make her happy in every war: he can be (like Philip) veru clear in the things he likes, finds good taste, and the people he does not like. He never showed his feelings much, eventhough I know he loves us, he used to hug us kind of awkwardly, never sent me a heart emoji or kiss emoji even while I always do that. Somehow that hurt me a bit. He told us he loved my mum the most, then his mother, then us. I don’t know if that’s true, but anyway…
    My mum always was very open in showing her love, but this often came down to helping us with everything, making sure we would not fail, and listening to us if we were sad or worried. Same for my father btw! But I feel like they always pushed us, not acknowledging our feelings deeply, or taking them seriously. We always had to push ourselves. What strikes me that both my sister and I have a strange relationship with men – as soon as we feel some of them likes us, we tend to neglect ourselves, and give everything up to make sure they will stay around. Right now, a few of my friends, and my uncle, have said they suspect perhaps they might have narcissistic traits: my father in his very strict judgments of people and things…dismissing them or thinking less of them if they are not to his liking…while my mum can handle criticism very badly. The other day I told her she hurt my by constantly commenting on my weight (even though I don’t think I am heavy, but I am a bit curvy). She said her father one time told her he could see she gained weight, and that got he almost into an eating disorder. Then she told me, that that was her own responsibility: it made me feel she was telling me too, that I should just accept these comments, even though they make me insecure. I don’t even like dressing with her in the same room anymore.

    I never stood up for myself enough, my mum did tell me this, Philip told me he used to do this very much, but he ended up looking a lot like them. Wish he could helped me with this too. Oh God, the hurt is deep – I just need to move on but my heart is so sad with his loss.

    There is much more to tell…but I will break it down in parts!

    Do you recognize any of these things maybe…?

    J.
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    Ooh, good to hear your hand is better now. But it sounds like you have been through a lot too, in your life, Anita! If you’d like to share, I’d like to be there for you too! Feel free to share if you want too! 🙂

    It seems to be hitting me only now, the things with Philip… . I’m thinking it is a mix of everything we talked about, and also that i have taken away my own chances.
    Yes, you’re right…it takes time to heal. I will share with you some stories of my childhood, these are interesting back stories. I am a bit scared (my friend told me, and my uncle) my parents might have some narcissistic traits. I will tell you more tomorrow!

    Emma

    J.
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    Yes, that could very well be true, Anita, about Philip and how he looks like my father, also bossy and judgmental. Unfortunately, I feel like men who are not as outspoken, are too…’weak’ now, because I am so used to this image I have, of how a man should be. SAnd also, I am kind of intense and can be judgmental too…look like my parents in that regard. Yes the loving in the distance, when the danger has passed..I think that’s true. That, and maybe that I now compare him to othern men I have met, who did not come close to him. But it’s true I am forgetting the difficult moments with him. I just wonder how to get past this regret, it’s been three months since I met him, and even thought the memories are starting to fade a little (which hurts…I can remember his face less clearly now…) I seem like I don’t want to lose it. Like it’s feels it was not supposed to end this way. I need to let go of hope. I wonder if I should start meeting new men, or maybe take the time to grieve this loss. This has been a lesson to really give things a chance, even though it’s scary. It was so interetsing how Philip himself told me how he himself also had to learn to give things a chance, and not break things off because of a seemingly small point. Yes, good to hear your opinion on the compatibility. I can image this may have been intense and also difficult – it really felt like I was hiding part of myself like with my family. And yes, gaining his love did feel like a challenge I wanted to take on…sounds weird to say though…but I really liked his intense nature, I always liked those types. But maybe he needed more sassiness – if it’s true he would fall for a type like his mum. I have wondered – if it might be true that men who had to hide their emotions, may like to combine emotions with pain? Or create distance with their partner – I have seen this in two guys in my life – who grew up in harsh circumstances and longed for sweetness.

    Thank you, I really do enjoy the worsplace and the atmosphere of Renaissance fairs!

    Oh ouch, is your hand getting better now? That hurts! Sounds nice mowing grass…especially when you have that cut grass smell surrounding you!

    – Emma

    J.
    Participant

    Very well seen, about the space, and feeling safer there, because I don’t have to be vulnerable then. I must say have a tendency for limerence too – I do believe it is connected.

    J.
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    Also, I forgot to add, my sister is a bit more outgoing, not so much into spirituality and creative hobbies/music – bit more engaged with the real world so to say. I guess in that sense they were more alike – that’s why I had the fear, I guess.

    J.
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    Hi Anita,

    Mmm yes…it can certainly be that I miss him now more because I cannot have him – but I did remember feeling sad two days or so after I broke it off…before he blocked me, so that makes me feel my regerts were also based on him as a person. But at the same time, when I sent him the message I wanted to talk after I broke it off the last time, and ask if he would still be interested two weeks later – I did feel a doubt and regret right after sending it, feeling I would be putting myself back into some sort of ‘cage’ if he were to say ‘yes’. A ‘cage’, because, symbolically speaking, I felt limited, both because he hardly asked me anything, so I did not express myself much, about my interests and such (I believe it was his adhd, but still..). And he reminded me of my father and brother: my father being bossy and forceful at times, telling me I should not be so dreamy/absent minded, and my brother in his monologues and interests in science/logic. I guess I wanted to be free to be myself. And I was not sure if I could, when I was still dating Philip – I felt that fear while being with him, and already felt myself limiting myself in the things I wore, afraid he would find me strange for wearing my vintage style dresses – I don’t know why I felt it. It migth have been intuition or anxiety.

    Mmm, I regert treating him this way…I never wanted to mistreat him…you know I have had this habit with jobs too. As soon as there are expectations from others, and I fear I cannot live up to them, and will mess it up and be critised/rejected for it, I flee. But with Philip it could have been that I felt the disconnection as well – making it more likely he would leave me – even though that feeling of disconnection maybe it was based on my first impressions of him..

    I did feel a sort of love for him – maybe it was care as well, because I do think I could see through his shell, and saw his softness on the inside, and maybe also an admiration and the fact that he liked me..? He said he needed the softness and care – and he could see through my lack in other things – sort of painful to hear. Maybe he needed to find the softness within himself.

    Sounds weird to say maybe, but – I had a fear that if he were to meet my younger sister, that he would prefer her over me, because they are more of the same type, I think: she is a little more extroverted and rebellious, like him. They say you look for someone who is like your father (as a girl) and mother (as a boy), right? His mum was very fierce…well that’s not me, haha! He did need and want a sassy person, to give some counterweight, he told me.

    You know what – maybe it is that he lacked a certain goofiness, he was kind of serious and logical – I guess that’s what made me tense and suspicious too, maybe that was the disconnetcion – as if I could not be my full self and had to be the most serious version of myself around him.

    I wonder, what do you think made us incompatible? You know, I am relieved and happy you said that – maybe I am holding onto the wrong type anyway.

    There is a man, a regular customer of the shop, he asked me out one time – but I said no, for some practica reasons – but I do think he would understand me better: he sometimes dresses up as he is an amateur actor, and does not get scared of quirky style clothes. I do dress up for Renaissance Fairs, and like some eccentric clothing – but Philip was very explicit he was uncomfortable with that himself. It made me feel a bit uncomfortable too, as if he might be embarassed of me. Another difference is that this customer always talked with me about my interest in fairylore, he even bought the book I recommended on the topic. He never told me I should let go of my openness to astrology, he even supported it. Just mentioning this to remind myself of how someone else could accept me as I am, I guess.

    Thank you Anita!

    About you part of the world, that sounds lovely…living with so many trees! That sounds very peaceful and dreamy. Ooh sounds exciting, that you took the step to go and live abroad…that’s brave too!

    Have a lovely day – I’m glad we have met, I enjoy these conversations!
    How are you doing – I never asked!

    Warm wishes,
    Emma

    J.
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    Ofc take your time! This is not to rush you, either! I forgot parts I was about to say 🙂

    Warm wishes, Emma

    J.
    Participant

    Oh, by the way, that sounds like a lovely job! Must be peaceful to work so close with nature, and beautiful that you do it as a volunteer! Oh that sounds really nice, that it offers a place for music and dancing! You look so happy and enthusiastic in your photo, so nice!

    J.
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    Oh I think I forgot one word in the line from my first kmessage, what I was meaning to say was that I hopes he knows he was very special to me, despite all the things that may have made it seem it wasn’t.

    Als I wonder, if I may ask, Anita, where you are from? 🙂 Just to get to know you a little.

    J.
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    Oh yes, I wanted to add: I think I could have grown a lot more with Philip, then with any guys on dates I have met – because Philip challenged me to stand up for myself, to speak up, to me more critical and logical – all things that I have been missing all my life. At the same time, I guess I could have helped him be more vulnerable, show him it’s ok to be tender, and help him navigate relations/discussion more smoothly without hurting too many people’s feelings. I have been reading about shadow work – the things he struggled with: internalizing empathy and being more subtle in voicing his opinions, feelings, not getting so angry with people, is the thing he both did not like in people but also admired, I believe. At the same time, me trusting my own strength, and being my own boss, is something I admire and need to work on – this is exactly what he was good at. I just think I was not ready for a relationship like this, I am working on myself in therapy and this was exactly what I am struggling with. But I have never had a man I felt so similar to in temperament – everybody knows me as the sweet, kind of timid woman, but in reality I am kind of intense and opinionated I guess, maybe even a bit judgmental – we were so alike and I often felt other guys not pushing back enough. This is something Philip did, and I so admired him for it. It is not something I have found in others I have met yet. Also the need to express feelings deeply, and having such big feelings…we were so alike in that sense…maybe that is what I felt. What do you think…if somebosy blocks you, is that the definite end? I’m sure it is impossible to say for anyone…

    J.
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    Hi Anita,

    Thank you for thinking of me today – to be honest it has been a rough day for me today. I am sorry for once again sharing these heavy feelings with you, even after we wrote the letter. I am just having such a hard time moving on, as it feels like it is not supposed to be this way. I was the one to cut things off so prematurily with Philip, while so many things coukd have been possiblem things I now will never get to know. I have been talking to some other guys in the past few weeks, and even though with two of them I seem to have found some more common interests, and I think maybe they dare to present themselves more vulnerable in ways, which made it easier to connect, there are things missing which I had with Philip, and which I doubt may be more important. I have not met these guys yet, but still. Things got difficult again today because at work (I work at a bookshop), we got into a discussion in which we discussed values, policical values and what to promote on our social media. Maybe best not to get too political here, but I find it hard to find people, also while dating, that share a similar upbringing, policial views (leaning more traditional), while at the same time being a bit of a nerd, neurodivergent, haha. I suspect I might have ADHD too, seeing how I go from one topic to another, though I have never been hyperactive but instead, calm. I just feel like it was not supposed to go this way, me cutting things off while I hardly knew Philip – and Philip warned me for this, I guess he had been in my position too, cutting things off because little things were different between us. Now I do think his more logical side made me doubt if I was the one for him, because I feel my interest in those quirky things might have made me strange in his eyes, but I don’t know, at some point he told me he wanted to have earrings too, something I had not expected and though of as original. I wonder if there would have been more like that. In truth, I though of him as similar to my brother 0 who is also into science, philosophy, always looking for new knowledge, but not so much into art, or just genrally things more quirky. I sometimes think of myself as having Phoebe Buffay’s style somewhat, I like bohemian style clothing, but also have an interest in the things she does, and am not so ambitious in terms of carreer. I think Philip would be somehow similar to Ross from Friends, kind of bend on being right, and very much into what is true and scientific. Looking at their bond, I don’t know if that would have worked. Philip told me at the time he also felt doubts ‘coming up’, but then he reminded himself he never such a good time with a girl before (or so he said) and told himself to continue dating me. I wonder if that would have been his intuition speaking – I think I am wondering this to find out if I am mourning the loss of someone I would not have been compatible with anyway, and so lessen my grief – but I guess it does not matter anyway now. I just find myself not wanting to move on from him – my friend told me to just go on dating someone else, ‘what I am being sad about’, but to me this felt like some surprising bond, which maybe should not have workes surface level, as his friends told him too that I would not be a match for him either – but he told me he did not want to listen, and decide for himself and continue. This made me think he found it special too, I don’t know. I never had a first date that long, and that easy – it took 7 or 8 hours – he told me too how surprised he was that talking was so easy. Same thing on the phone, first time we called, it felt strangely familiarand easy….another time we called for 7 hours… . This just makes it so hard to forget, to make it seem like ‘just another guy I dated and it did not work out’. I somehow hope he was special to me, even though I made it seem like I broke things off so easily a couple of times. I just wonder why I got so shy, maybe a little uneasy, being with him om the 2d and 3d date – I wonder if it was because I admired him a little and was confused as to what he wanted me for, seeing I think of myself as just shy and maybe boring, bc of my own assumptions about myself. I have had this shyness before with another guy I sort of fancies and admired, he is my colleague and now one of my best friends, we talk very easily. It makes me wonder what could have been with Philip. I secretly hope – and I know it’s mean – he won’t find anyone he likes better…because he said he got bored with girls very soon (maybe bc of ADHD?), but not with me…and he never had such a good time… . It’s not to be arrogant…just his words..
    I just find myself wanting to goi back, wanting to wait for him – but now that he has blocked me, I guess that would be waiting for nothing. My friends said that blocking means he won’t ever want me again. I just find it so hard to even kiss another guy, would it ever get to that point. I still feel like Philip is the only one I would allow to do that. I wonder if O should forsce myself to go on dates, I wonder if Philip already kisses other girls..my heart breaks to think of it, even though he has every right to do so ofc…and I was the one to break things off. Moving on is just so hard. I heard people say, that if things are meant to be, they will be – would you believe in that? If Philip and I are meant to be, it will be, even if I were to move on? He tried to hard to hold on…that makes me so said, to think of all the chances he has given me, and me discarding them so easily. I should have seen how special that was, and that shoudl not have told him that he should accept me letting go of him. I never thought he was not good enough for me, which must have been the impression I gave him. On the contrary, I think he was too good for me – but now I have no means to tell him. I wish I had not pestered him with my messages, but waited, then he would not have blocked me now, and I could have sent him this.

    A lot of text again…haha sorry.

    J.
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you! I was a little busy yesterday and will be anwering today – but your message was lovely! To be continued 🙂

    With warmth,
    Emma

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