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January 10, 2024 at 12:41 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426893seaturtleParticipant
Dear Anita,
I am responding to your most recent reply now and will reply to the cannabis disorder reply next.
“I like your unintentional substitution of sight for site. Again, Sea turtle needs to be seen. It is a non-negotiable, not to be compromized need.”
Haha, this made me laugh, funny how unintentionally accurate it was.
“ How is it possible that no one sees me, I am right here… am I here? “
Interesting am i here.. I feel like I have had this similar out of body feeling of ‘what is my impact here, do I have one?’
“-no rush, whenever it’s convenient for you. We are communicating very well right here.”
This is how I feel as well. I want to and feel like it will happen in the right time.
Similarly I feel this way about getting my things from N. My roommate tells me to just get it over with. But I feel like I will know when is the right time.. Do you think this is true? wow as I asked this to you (and myself) I heard the title of my thread again “is it gut or fear”that does not feel it is quite the right time, or is it intuition or fear? Still hard for me to tell this difference..
“when we compromise our crown chakras so to maintain a relationship, that’s unnecessary weakness.”
Hm, I had to re-read this out loud to myself to let it sink in. A weakness that comes from the habit formed in trying to compromise it for a parent?
“You thought it was okay with him because of what he expressed to you. You can’t read minds that are not expressed in words.. even with a vibrating crown chakra and a muscular third eye!”
There was a little voice in my head that wasn’t sure if he meant what he was saying. I wondered if it would lead to passive aggression, it lead to me feeling awkward when he did pay for things, such as dinner, park passes or at the grocery store checkout. It is almost like I could feel the energy a bit, but then his words said otherwise so I would ignore the energy I felt. It was subtle, but I feel like I predicted him eventually admitting he felt a certain way, but I also hoped it wasn’t true and that his words were honest. When he finally confronted me and said out loud he felt that way, I took it, I took it very patiently and not shocked, his lack of expressing himself caused me to be on guard for something blowing up eventually. As it seems obvious to me that when you hide a feeling for so long it will eventually come out in a burst of energy, not obvious to him. Anyways I think part of my guilt comes from feeling like I knew he felt that way but ignored that feeling cause he said otherwise, unless he was passive aggressive and did say something, but later he disregarded what he said, calling it a joke and so forth.
I am working on forgiving myself, or if that isn’t the correct phrasing, then relieving myself of the guilt I feel. Because I was doing my best, and what happened happened. I was not lazy, I never felt like I was giving up I was always putting energy into something that lead me to where I am now. I spent alot of time at the gym and library, they became a homes away from home. I wasn’t sure what was next for me but I wanted to keep moving in a healthy direction, physically and mentally. This is when I read the books “the empath’s guide to survival” where I learned all the ways I took on others energy, and some ways to mentally protect myself when around negativity. I also read “the untethered soul,” where I learned that the thoughts in my head were not me, they were instead something I could witness, and if I could witness them then I am not them because I am infact the witnesser. I job searched and searched until I finally found a job I learned alot from in April. Although that job did not pay well, so N was still the majority of the pay. I did everything I could, never saved a dime as anything left over I would pay for coffee or park passes when I could spare it so he felt I was trying and would not get comfortable with him doing it all. I also contributed by being the 90% bridge between us, “communication.” He said he recognized this, but I don’t think he truly was aware or saw it’s full results and purpose. He felt work was more important, saving money and buying land and property.
“- should you test yourself for covid again.. see a doctor?”
Perhaps, medically I am working on my ovarian tumor, and right now I feel like I can only do one thing at a time. Especially since this sickness is manageable, today I feel much better. I am trying to eat as best as I can, and take vitamins, I should give myself a timeline though, I will call it one more week, if next Wednesday I am still feeling symptoms I will make an appointment.
You wrote: “When one or more of your chakras becomes blocked or unbalanced, it’s thought to have an impact on your physical….If your throat chakra is blocked or unbalanced, you may: * be fearful about speaking your personal truth * have a harder time expressing your thoughts * feel anxious about speaking or communicating. Physically.. symptoms may manifest as the following: *a raspy throat * chronic sore throat..”. It continues with healing suggestions including neck stretches and yoga poses.”
This is very interesting because I got this recurring sore throat monday morning, the morning after finding out my brother contacted N. Also, the stress of how I will get my things back and what I will say, has been heavy on me, on my throat. I wonder why I am affected more than others… I am more sensitive that anyone I have every met. For example, nicotine, it’s spiritual affects on me was enough for me to never be tempted into it again, even after lots of drinks on NYE when my roommate, M, was using one. I was tempted then remembered the affects on me and that was enough to release the pull on me. I asked her if she feels spiritually attacked in any way and she says she does get mildly anxious the following day but that it doesn’t really bother her and she’s grown to even like the anxiety… Then now, if my throat is truly feeling this way because of a blocked throat chakra, a loss of how to express myself in various ways, I doubt others would feel this. On christmas vacation, my dad took us to a vacation spot on CA, and he had purchased a home there! it was absolutely beautiful, the home was built in the 70’s and the last owners both passed away, the only way to get a house in that neighborhood. I had bad dreams every night there, I started to ask questions about previous owners, but all I found out was the wife died first, the husband followed a year or so after, and that the husband smoked… After I learned this I started to be able to smell the nicotine, I opened the windows in my room as I could smell it on the walls. I wondered, is it possible this nicotine in the walls from years ago is giving me these nightmares? similar nightmares to when I fully inhale it? Or could it be the deaths, I truly wondered if ghosts were real. I told all bad spirits to leave me alone before sleep that night, after I learned all this information. The following nights I was awake in my room for an hour before to listen to high vibrational music and dismiss any dark energy around me. I proceeded to have very vivid dreams, however they were not as evil, as the first nightmare had been. I did something to that space with my words, or perhaps just the open windows was the trick.
Anyways, I brought it up to my family members and they all make fun of me say I am doing voodoo or something, they just don’t believe in spirits, and then my brother and sister are very christian religious and think I am praying to some other god, I am certainly not seen in my family hahaha. The only one who understands me, or at least sees me whether she agrees or not, is my youngest sister. She witnesses my other sister and brothers religious behaviors and the extreme judgment in both of them and doesn’t want to be like them, she and I feel aligned in a lot of ways. I definitely feel she is one of my soulmates in this life. However she is also only 17, so I don’t overwhelm her with all the things I feel, but I open up as much as she does, which is much more than even I was able to do at 17. When it is open, Her crown chakra is a little beaming light, I love it, I am smiling as I write this, so sweet.
“I am thinking that communicating your personal, inner truth to your mother and to other people in your life more confidently and assertively (regardless of their reactions or lack of) will help. Better speak up than be quiet about matters most important to you. And when people can’t comprehend you/ don’t see you.. accept it with as much serenity as possible (not resisting it) while limiting or having no contact with them. One person seeing you.. is a good start.”
It does make me feel good, and in high vibration, when I can share my inner truth. My mom receives it well, and it is almost like her crown opens up to me, or her third eye… because she does see me. But it is only temporarily. Over time she loses what she saw, and instead of when first I told her about N and she told me to stay away from him, she loses it and weeks later says maybe he is in therapy right now…clearly third eye closed once again. It allows me to feel sadness, which I don’t like… sharing inner truth feels good, but it not being seen feels sad and hurtful. I feel the same way with my religious sister, she sees me sometimes then later almost takes it back. My (religious) sister causes me a deep sadness and pain, she treats everything I say with skpeticism, and responds to almost everything I say (when speaking spiritually) with “well the lord says…” She loses me with that cause I have already made up my mind about christianity. My brother also causes me pain, when he enters manic, he hurts people I love, like my little sister and mom, and now me. Although N is off his phone, my brother could contact him on social media or something out of a manic state, just causing me pain. He says very bluntly mean things quite often like “I judge you.” he has literally said that to me, thinks I reject “the lord” and am going to hell… he is so self righteous it also makes me very annoyed and even angry at times, I just want to close his mouth.
You see me Anita, it is something that gave me the strength to believe that there is something to see. That question you asked earlier “am i here?” I have wondered it too, in the relationship with N, and I believe You helped me along my journey to prove that I AM HERE. Part of me wonders where I would be if it weren’t for our conversation here… would I be with N? probably still trying to make it work, since my friends and family around me now would likely not discourage it, except perhaps my roommate M, the only thing is I am not sure she would vocalize her disapproval.
” I think that he knew that he was angry with you and he knew that he wanted to hurt you (all animals want to or are prepared to hurt the object of their anger), but he didn’t think much about it, didn’t contemplate it. … Lying when deflection calls for it, as well as teflon-ing otherwise, is part of his MO.”
I agree.
“- a low vibrational crown chakra does not send vibrations that are strong enough to open the 3rd eye.”
Interesting, I did not realize one follows the other.
“I don’t think that you can close that eye once (1) you had it wide open, and (2) you endured that discomfort of being alone long-enough, and (3) you are not completely alone.”
Well then Anita I hope I have you for a long time to avoid that third condition 🙂
“he wasn’t introspective enough to end it. Introspection (an open crown chakra, an open 3rd eye) does not appear like a source of satisfaction to him.”
Yes I can see this.
“- it’s the desire of little girl Seaturtle to be seen and respected and apologized to, for all the wrong done to her.”
Is little girl seaturtle the same as hatchling?
“his ghost scares you”
It does, and so does his flesh and blood. I am afraid about getting my things, but I need my passport from him. I am afraid he will say something to harm me and I feel in too sensitive state to feel it.
Seaturtle
January 9, 2024 at 7:01 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426872seaturtleParticipantI will read your next post tomorrow I think, as right now I feel calm enough to wind down and hopefully not dream of him.
Goodnight Anita
Seaturtle
January 9, 2024 at 6:58 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426871seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“I have a feeling that you are going through some difficult time right now and the difficult is getting old..? Taken from Star Wars, may the force be with you, Sea turtle!”
Thank you for your concern Anita 🙂 and yes is getting old! I thought I saw him on the freeway today… I feel like I saw a ghost. He was in the same exact truck as N, same sunglasses, same back cover over the truck with the same tools on the tops and sides. I sped ahead as to get a car between us, I truly thought it was him and my heart was beating so fast, he finally passed me and I saw a small difference and knew it wasn’t him but it was long enough to scare me. Also today during my break I was half asleep and saw him. Last night I dreamt that I went to N’s parents house…and his dad asked me why I broke up with N and as I explained he stopped paying attention, later my mom told me his dad said to her “I just don’t understand why she wasted two years.” It was a strange dream and I woke up right from that to work.
In the shower, after I got home, I had a strange vision I had not imagine before. It was two years later and N said that he read everything from this thread! he said he would like to talk at coffee. I met him and he apologized for everything… Specifically He said he was sorry for not respecting me, and that it was not my fault he couldn’t see the wisdom in how I was doing things that he judged. He apologized for treating me out of his pain, and said I didn’t deserve it. He of course said he wished he didn’t have to lose me through all of it and wondered if I was single. To which, in my vision I did not respond to. I then snapped out of it and felt some sort of peace.., His ghost made amends with me, and it brought me some peace. strange.
Seaturtle
January 9, 2024 at 6:48 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426870seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“– their sympathy for him probably triggers your (invalid, unjustified) guilt in regard to breaking up with N, part of you believing that N is a good guy vs you, the bad guy. But that part is wrong.”
It does trigger this. It also triggers, what I think might be a larger trigger, that I feel again unseen. Just as I came to this sight with my very first post about N, and was not seen, even when I tell my mom, my close friend, they don’t see the gravity of the issues with N. Being in a high vibrational unison with my crown chakra was lonely in my relationship, and it is also outside of it, quite often. Which reminds me I need to set up an email address so we can connect!
“Whenever you see N as the good guy vs you the bad guy, LOOK through your 3rd eye and see the truth.”
It is interesting you bring this up because, just today I was thinking about how I have to daily remind myself why I broke up with him, and I wondered what I am strengthening as I do that. All this work of reminding myself the truth has to be developing some sort of muscle to be able to descern truth better in the future. My third eye is this muscle.
“- when you see him as a gorgeous, beautiful man, open your 3rd eye and see him as a person who wants you to feel pain at times.”
As I read this, at first I thought it was a good idea, then I was suprised by my next thought “Did I deserve it when he tried to cause me pain,” Had I done something worth the passive aggression. I fear that I took advantage of him.. When I wasn’t working for the first few months of last year, trying to find a new job that didn’t drain me. It took me a while, in the mean time I did my art and things around the house, but I could have done more. I could have grocery shopped and cooked more for him coming home from a long day from work and I was only home job searching online and painting. He half heartedly supported me, but after it was too late, after that time he told me he felt taken advantage of and I fear his causing me pain came from him feeling taken advantage of. I think I feel a lack of energy in my third eye now, as I just tried to think about why this could be invalid but I am quite tired. My new schedule is busy on monday and tuesday, but I am available in the evening. Plus, that sickness I had back in early December is still lingering, I thought I was better for about 5 days, then I got sick again December 27th, and since then have had a sore throat and just today I vomited, very random I thought. I felt fine before then suddenly nauseous and now I am exhausted. Yes I still want to continue to read because I needed to come here to journal tonight.
– no, he knew that he was lying to you. (I am looking at him with MY 3rd eye and I am looking at you with my 3rd eye, seeing.. a girl who doesn’t want to take a boy off a pedestal, holding on to an elevated image of him).”
Why was he lying do you think? Do you think he knew why he was wanting to hurt me? I am not sure he was aware as to why he wanted to cause harm.
” her 3rd eye is closed. She sees a gorgeous looking man. She doesn’t see a man wanting her daughter to hurt when it’s convenient for him.”
I agree with this about my mom. I fear her third eye has been closed most of her life and usually is. She is more like my brother, but less extreme, it would not shock me if she did the same thing as my brother. She even told me she wanted to (eye roll) but said very directly that would cause me harm. She does things that she thinks is right all the time, that were only clearly her heart and sacral.
“to keep your 3rd eye and crown chakras open and high vibrational means to .. be alone in the midst of low vibrational 3rd eye and crown chakras.”
I think what you said here is important for me to hear, I need to learn to be ok with this lonely feeling. Because if the only option to not feel alone in certain situations is to close that eye and crown, I don’t want to do it. I do often feel this loneliness in the midst of groups of people, less and less as I get older but I used to ache at this feeling and want to be like everyone else but as I have been learning, I want to continue to be okay with being uncomfortable rather than closing up. Because it is only if I stay open that I might find others like me, I believe.
“– a gorgeous looking man who has been okay with his girlfriend wanting out of the relationship as long as she doesn’t succeed; a spider being okay with the fly trying to disengage from its sticky web as long as it doesn’t succeed.”
How was this satisfying to him, or was he just too weak to end it himself.
“- imagine an open and high vibrational Third Eye Chakra that can see a man clearly…”
Then imagine her asking the man why his eye isn’t open, and he replies, annoyed, “you didn’t enjoy our time together I thought it was so nice?” And she replies “no it was nice… I just didn’t feel connected” and he says nothing. This is a true story.
“- growing up wanting to be seen by low vibrational F=> wanting to be seen by low vibrational N.”
Oh wow this is a good point.
I will read and reply to your next post in a separate box
Seaturtle
January 8, 2024 at 5:58 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426837seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
I have been having a hard couple days, yesterday my brother told me that he texted N! I am very upset, but my brother is also not in his right mind, he was diagnosed with manic depression a couple years ago and has been heavily sedated since then. Both my parents kicked him out because he would randomly get angry and lash out at my younger sister and scare her. Another one of his modes is hyper emotional so one day, last thursday, he found himself “feeling bad for n.” I am super annoyed and just don’t trust anyone, especially since my sister got caught up texting him too, back on accident before she knew, asking him about christmas gifts. Anyways both of my siblings gave HIM their sympathy for him, I just am so beyond annoyed and frustrated. Both of them asking him if he was ok before me. But whatever I just have to drop this or it makes me too upset.
Anyways I think it bled into my day today cause I have just had an undertone of anxiety and struggling to get n out of my head. Whether it is him angry, with another girl or just any unsolicited vision of him being somewhere. His ghost was with my at trader joes as if he was seeing the girls I was and staring at them. Then I felt this odd thing, I was hyper aware that the men around me weren’t as attractive as N, and this lie flooded my head I won’t have someone as attractive again. These gross feelings have filled my evening yesterday, and my afternoon today. I feel shallow about these thoughts but they appear quite uninvited. Now I will reply to your post, but this is where my head is right now :/
“he knew that he was not joking. He said what he said knowing that he wanted you to feel pain as a result of what he said.”
I believe he was not joking, and that while it happened he wasn’t implying a joke and that he did want me to feel pain. What I have a hard time grasping is whether he was really just straight up lying to me that he was joking? or that he literally was lying to himself, he believed that it was a joke after lying to himself..?
“I giggle a bit (sorry) thinking about you sending your father to pick up your things. But yes, I wouldn’t go there by myself, if I was you.”
Instead of giggle this almost makes me wish it was possible haha. Because I know my dad understands what N did wrong, whereas alot of the people around me.. I am not sure really understand. My mom seemed like she did until she started telling me “well maybe you will still end up together,,,,you don’t have to feel embarrassed if you get back together….he may self actualize maybe he is in therapy right now..” all tells me my mom has no idea. I think my dad maybe understands better because I think he can see him in N and knows what is really going on in his head, better than my mom anyways. Then my closest friend has surprised me in the past year as to where her vibration is… She often talks over me and I have not only noticed it myself but my roommate pointed it out and literally didn’t want to invite her to our new years cause she talks too much.. My friend is also in a very destructive relationship and says similar things to my mom. This makes me very sad as she is my closest friend at the moment and we have known eachother almost our whole lives. Definitely doesn’t help with the alone feelings I already feel right now.
” I don’t think of him as an emotionally honest person, so even if he uttered words that expressed shock, I don’t know if he felt shocked. (I am sure the breakup was a hurt to his ego, though).”
This feels true, I don’t think he was shocked I wanted it to be over, but I think he was shocked that I actually did it. Because he was so often able to manipulate me and that was one of the only times in our relationship he wasn’t able to. the fly out wit the spider and he was shocked, and his ego was hurt.
“- I think that your heart and sacral chakras were vibrating so intensely that you were oaky, or almost okay with a lower vibrational crown chakras: yours.. and his.”
Yea, I also remember thinking that maybe our crown chakras match later in the relationship. I thought the honeymoon was suppose to be heart and sacral, and I didn’t want to pressure crown charka connecting. For example on a first date it feels strange to ask their deepest fears and fantasies, so I just wasn’t sure how long to wait for the crowns to align. Then this year I started to need it more and more and found my advances denied. Not only denied but he wasn’t even seeing my crown, he wasn’t seeing my depth and wisdom, this brought me alot of sadness that I had been seen by others but he was the only person I truly wanted it from.
“– I didn’t know of the extent of what seems to be his cannabis use disorder and addiction. This addiction and disorder makes the prognosis for a healthy relationship for him even poorer than I thought before.”
So this is the reason I think I was able to put off our crown chakras aligning… Smoking lowers vibrations, and when I smoked with him we would be at more similar vibrations, so it compromised for not aligning in our pure and sober crown chakras. It was enough until it wasn’t, but it certainly postponed my needs, and I do not want this in a future relationship. I never want to smoke daily again. When we lived together I smoked more than I had ever before, and immediately after moving out I stopped naturally, not even craving it at all. It had become a bonding experience with him, I felt left out when he would go to that place without me, but he went so often. I did not know how serious the issue was until a year into the relationship, he hid it from me. As he hid his nicotine addiction because he temporarily quit while we first started dating. Then would have the vapes when we moved in and I Would find them, confused. He confessed how much he used it one time, but I know he lied about it after, withholding the truth anyways, his specialty. If I did not ask a specific question he would not be transparent about nicotine and weed. this is helping me right now to recall these big negatives to n.
When you say ‘cannabis disorder’, what do you mean?
” there is a saying (paraphrased): even a broken clock is truthful twice every 24 hours.”
I laughed reading this because of how fitting it is to this scenario.
I am excited to give the idea of setting up an environment to dance with others more energy and attention.
Seaturtle
January 6, 2024 at 10:42 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426781seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“he blocked you, at least in part, because he wanted to.. send some pain and turbulence to you, so that it (pain) vibrates within and through you. .. there it is, the ache aka pain vibrating”
It is occurring to me now that him wanting me to feel pain is not unfamiliar. In the sense of the example of the c-word incident, he was trying to get me to feel pain. When he asked me if I had money to help him buy a trailer, hours after he saw my bank account and that I was struggling financially, he wanted me to feel that pain. All those times he later said “oh baby I was joking I just have a weird sense of humor,” all those times I suspected him of being passive aggressive he was, whether he knew it or not, but wanted me to feel pain, because what other reason could he have for all those things? I can’t say never because perhaps I am not remembering something, but I did not do this to him. I told him everything I did or didn’t up front, intentionally avoiding passive aggression in our relationship, something I so wanted to avoid after seeing it in so many relationships around me. I will let this question sit in my mind right now “did I ever intentionally cause him pain?” But for now will proceed with the fact I do not believe it did this intentionally, certainly never maliciously as he did that night with the C-word, or the money with the trailer. My point is though that me harming him was unfamiliar to him, and my ending the relationship was really the first time I knew I was hurting him and continued. I wonder how this affected him, he was very likely surprised at what I was doing cause our entire relationship I have demonstrated who I am which is someone who cares very deeply about my feelings and those around me, going out of my way to avoid both. You know, we were on the topic of hurting each other once, like speaking as to why cheating would never be involved in our relationship, and breaking up wasn’t mentioned but it was insinuated, when he said “you care so much about other people’s feelings, that is how I trust that you wouldn’t hurt me.” I remember thinking in that moment that I felt like he was pretty much saying underneath ‘you would never break up with me because it would hurt me.’ This comment and he made another one more recently where he said something along the lines of it being ‘we can figure anything out, like we’ve been together two years we aren’t giving up now.’ it wasn’t those exact words but it was very close and that is what I heard anyways. Anyways, me doing something that we both knew hurt him in some way, was a surprise to us both, more so him. He may try to hurt me now as much as he can with his blocking, and deleting of pictures, and who knows how it will be to pick up my things, maybe I will send a friend, because he can only harm me right? The image of us ending on mature calm states is all in my imagination? He can never hurt me with his little blockings and such, nearly as much as I already got used to inside of the relationship, whereas I actually have more power in the hurting department because it is unfamiliar coming from me to him. I say I have more pain inflicting power but at the same time I am not sure completely how, not sure what I could say that would cause him pain, or perhaps I am wrong… as he is a teflon. Then the only silver lining here is that I am used to him causing me pain at least it is not a shock, as he was shocked. It is almost as if I caused him all the pain he caused me in our whole relationship, within a 10 minute shocking breakup, for some reason I want this to be true.
“- each feels hurt, each wants the other to feel pain, but he blocked you so to cause you pain, you didn’t block him.”
Answering my question above, this statement says alot of the whole relationship. “each wants the other to feel pain…but he cause[d] you pain, you didn’t...”
“from the very beginning, he only had respect for parts of you, parts in isolation. He didn’t respect what connects those parts: your crown chakra,”
This is true and so sad. I didn’t start to suspect it until a year in, even though it was all there for me to see but I didn’t want to? or couldn’t?
“- his low vibrational crown chakra is not guiding him to act maturely.”
This may bring you some satisfaction, as it does me.. I said this more than once to him but the time I remember was right after the cash incident on Thanksgiving, after we were finished with a yoga class (a vibrational lifter) and on a happy holiday (a potential vibrational lifter) and then in the store he comes to investigate me and come at me with his cash questions and accusations. Then walking back to my car I remember why I have the cash and tell him “I remember but you do not need to know you can trust me.” He still had an attitude to that, treating me as though I was suspicious and untrustworthy. We got into the car and I realized all the things around us, the yoga, the holiday, all things raising my vibrations while he was down in the depths and I said “You just have such bad vibes sometimes” I said it with a look of ‘stay away from me.’
“he said he would take better care of himself“- when I read the boldfaced part for the first time you shared about it, my interpretation was that he was self-centered. He didn’t say that he would take better care of you!”
True. However he did not take care of himself, he smoked way too much weed, he claimed it helped with his anxiety, and never came across high, there were times I didn’t even know. Infact it was not until I lived with him that I saw how much, that almost every date he hit at least something before coming out. I felt betrayed when I first realized how he was constantly high, cause he didn’t seem it at all, his body is so used to it that he is very normal on it, infact I did not recognize him sober… When we started living together and I witnessed how much I would ask him to be sober for dates, but then at the date he was much more jittery, EVEN LESS capable of a deep conversation sitting in one place. it bored him beyond belief. I have a lot of patience but his sober self caused me to run out sometimes, I began to want him to smoke so he would chill out and sit with me. He claimed it prevented him from having dreams, later I understood that meant “thoughts and feelings.” more teflon. So anyways, when he said he would take better care of himself I was very on board with that and though that meant he would begin to be introspective, finally! but then I brought up the cash and c-word incident and he still couldn’t apologize, so then no he couldn’t be introspective? I do recall him saying he would take better care of himself so that he could be better in the relationship, but I don’t think this changes anything. This is what I meant when I said he would give crumbs that he could grown and learn.
“You were alone at the top of that Maslow’s pyramid, imagining/ making believe that he was there with you.”
Feels true.
“- this guilt can be (I hope not) a reason for you to .. fly to his web and get entangled in it (again).”
I think you are right, it can be a reason. But the reason it won’t is because I can’t trust, that even if I fly back and he promises all the change in the world and maybe even seems like he can see me, I don’t trust that it wouldn’t go right back to the way it was after a matter of time. I believe I am way too suspicious of him to allow him in again, and I certainly won’t let myself be around him long enough to get past that suspicion. I admit there is part of me that still thinks he could change, this is hard to admit because I feel stupid that I think that because all the evidence says he can’t. But as you said I did in the relationship, “You were alone at the top of that Maslow’s pyramid, imagining/ making believe that he was there with you” I am still this way. I have this imagination, this darn imagination that is wonderful but also let’s me see things that will never happen, and I can almost feel them too. I do not feed into it, because it feels stupid and unhelpful but I have to admit a very very small little sapling of an imagination that he could self actualize. There is so much evidence to the contrary that I don’t allow myself to put energy to that imagination, because it is as likely as my other imaginations, of flying! it is there but it also doesn’t bring me peace to feed into, it brings me bad feelings. I like to imagine things that bring me joy, so there is no benefit to feed into that imagination of his self actualization, if I did, that is when the fly could get tangled again.
“- how do you know that he didn’t tell anyone before you? If your answer is that he told you so, uttering the words I never told anyone, then remember what he told you about how you should treat uttered words..”
I am fairly certain I am the only one he told because the story was very humiliating and incredibly vulnerable and uncomfortable for him to share. He brought it up one morning when we were in bed because I could see his mind trail off and I asked him what was on his mind. He said for some reason this memory had been in his head and he’s avoided telling me but felt telling me was the only way to stop it from coming to him, he said he felt like he was suppose to tell me. Like I said there were moments he was vulnerable and I did feel it but it was a handful of times in our whole two years together, certainly not enough for a truly intimate relationship. Also after he told me he had emotions I could see and feel were very real, I could tell he was angry and wanted to run away in that moment and felt disgusted. I asked him what he was feeling and that is what he said, he said “honestly I want to run away.” which also aligns with his inability to sit and be vulnerable or deep for long periods of time, I often felt the energy from him that he wanted to leave the space immediately after a certain point. But you are right that he said words don’t matter which is a valid reason to not think his matter, but I am sure he was being truthfully vulnerable here, and if he wasn’t then I am a complete fool and don’t have the perceptive skills I thought I did.
” “why couldn’t he do it??”- did he try and found out that he couldn’t, or perhaps he didn’t try but uttered words, at times, that sounded like he tried…? “
He didn’t want to. I feel like there were moments where I inspired him to try, for example with learning so much about my inner child here with you, I tried to share with him the benefits of looking within to the other parts of yourself that need attention. This was when we were at that cabin for his friends wedding, when I panicked about my outfit and he comforted me…we felt so close during that trip… (a good memory that contributes to the guilt that I ended it harshly) the last morning we were there was the perfect environment for a potential deep conversation. Like I said before they were few in our relationship but the moments he was more likely to open up a little bit, I could feel it. Being out in the middle of nowhere helped him open up a little, we sat on the doc and talked about our inner child. I related it to football and how his coaches pretty much told him to cage his, I told him about letting them out of the cage and he was responding with “ah” that he hadn’t heard it before and it didn’t sound wrong. But then we got back home and it was as if the conversation had never happened and he was smoking and working all day once again and had no energy by the end of the day for a real conversation.
“- (1) you and .. you mean you and me? (2) this could be the beginning of your Influencing career: inviting people to dance with you online, on zoom…?”
This is such a great idea. I read this yesterday and have been thinking of it ever since! at my workout last night I was imagining setting up a community of just freestyle, sober dancing. I don’t think this exists? This really sounds like a lot of fun I am trying to think of where to start!
Seaturtle
January 5, 2024 at 9:45 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426761seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
” I am the last person in the world.. well, one of the last to ask about making money because of lack of personal experience and interest in the matter of making or earning money”
I feel the same way, how do you do this? that is why I don’t even like the word money, I try to use instead “means to do things.” The idea of participating in so many ways this world wants us to to earn “money” does not feel right to me. I wish I could just go to a store pic out a sewing machine and fabrics and make clothes, but no I have to “buy” them, I wish I could trade for goods, wouldn’t that be cool! I stay home and make delicious pastries, and go trade them for clothes, or making them a form of art OR make them clothes in exchange for the materials that I can also use for myself. Anyways I feel my way of making my means to do things is going to fall outside of the typical ‘get a job’ sense.
“You, Seaturtle, are the most chakra vibrating in-unison member I ever communicated with here in the forums, and for a long time. “
Reading this warmed my entire body into a smile Anita, this is the best compliment I have ever received.
“So, therefore, I thought that you have something to offer many people, many thousands, maybe much more, particularly perhaps young people who feel lost in the world of conflict, war and a climate that’s becoming hotter, drier and/ or crazy.”
At first when I read “seaturtle the influencer” I didn’t like it, because I know what an influencer is and I do admire some, but the majority of them I find very fake. I think alot of influencers are damaging to young people because they show some amazing life as if they have no problems, only highlights, and when you watch it you may wonder why your life isn’t so perfect, and how they look is how you should look and such. But I do follow some influencers that bring me joy and healing, and you know what I do believe what you say, that I could be helpful to some young people struggling in ways that I have and still do. I think it could be a very good idea, but I am not sure how to start. (Asking myself, not necessarily seeking you to answer here) I wonder, do I start with talking about how to spot someone gaslighting you? I wonder what my friends and family will think (but I don’t want to put much weight here and try not to) Do I start with just trying to be relatable? I am not sure my starting point or where to find it, but I am definitely curious if this could be something. Do I need a guide or are the answers in me,,
“She weighed 187 lbs. before the removal, and 75 lbs.”
My goodness this sounds insane!
“I can see how you- even if you are able to follow such instructions- you wouldn’t, being a free spirit, not wanting to submit to rules (dance rules)?”
Right. My sister is an amazing dancer and she is at a level of dance where she can express herself, but in very advanced techniques. My technical dance is level zero, haha I don’t have the flexibility or knowledge to do what she does, but I do like to move my body and to a sound that I feel. I used to do this in middle school/ high school. My friends and I were all athletes and none of us were interested in alchohol, instead we would have parties with snacks, games and just a full dance party with the lights off, I miss it and wish I had a group of people who would come do that, but I can only think of two haha.
Seaturtle
January 5, 2024 at 9:25 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426760seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
I have not yet read your last reply but I journaled last night and this morning and I am going to paste it here.
Last night I found out he did in fact block me. I had to go on Instagram to find an overnight oat recipe that I wanted to make. However I have the app deleted on my phone because I don’t want myself to see N’s profile or anything that reminds me of him, so I re-downloaded it for the recipe. He deleted the picture of us that he posted, the only picture he even posted of us, calling me his dream. Since he had the service to delete this picture he clearly is within cell service and my message didn’t send because I am in fact blocked, This sent so many emotions through me I wrote the following.
Tonight on January 4th I miss parts of n, but I also don’t. It is as if he is home and I cannot go home. I know that I will form another home inside me, and be my own home again but right now my heart still aches.
Why do I want him to feel pain right now? It brings me satisfaction and comfort to imagine that he is self destructing and just as lonely as me. The opposite of him with a girl feels disgusting to me and disrespectful. I doubt it is what he is doing though. I hope he is at home high off his mind playing video games and then all day just high and working. As I have seen him before. I want him to be alone. I wish he would see his faults in the relationship and how he could have treated me better, but I don’t care as much for that as I do that he is in pain and homesick just like me. And that he is agonizing lonely and that he misses me.
I am waking up on January 5th and I am a combination of guilty and frustrated. I feel guilty cause I feel bad for not working January to March. I feel that is when he lost respect for me. However he was late to dates and we had moments of disconnect and I halted trusting him before then… So that is not what justified his behavior, he would have been that with even with the respect he possibly had before February and march.
I am frustrated because he blocked me and there are still things I need from his house. But he has to know that right? What gives him the right to block me, it feels childish to me and it is frustrating because I would have loved to be on better terms right now and just keep it cordial and understanding. Then it makes me feel guilty that he doesn’t understand because of me, because I mislead him with my words about the future, but then that doesn’t necessarily hold up because I did try to tell him the exact issues that caused the breakup, many times. He didn’t see me. So no he doesn’t see the necessity of the breakup for me. I wish he could see the ways he so clearly mistreated me. The way he said the c word at my face, basically telling me I should be stronger than to let a word bother me, He was quite literally annoyed with me for being bothered. Why was he so annoyed, it had to of been because it had happened too many times before and he wasn’t saying it in those moments and it built up to this moment of saying the c word again and again, affecting my spirit and heart. He should have been the protector of those things, not part of the world that comes at you. I feel angry that he could not be the man that I wanted him to be. He gave me crumbs of hints that he could. Even at our last dinner, when his idea was to state how we would work on ourselves in the relationship and he said he would take better care of himself, cause that meant he could see that he was acting out of pain right? That meant he at least to some extent was aware of his passive aggression.. that is what I thought anyways. But the problem was still that even in that dinner, a place where we were setting the pace for vulnerability, something I did feel he put effort into, however only very rarely. A place of vulnerability where I again brought up the hurt it brought me when he said that word to me and how he treated me on thanksgiving with the money at the store, the problem is he still never apologized. I even gave him a third time to apologize at the actual time of the breakup and he still couldn’t.
There is also a part of me that is not only confused that he blocked me, but that he never reached out to me. Yes he texted my sister that he wished he was dead and that he couldn’t believe how coldly I broke up with him, this was clearly him trying to get me to come to him right? But the thing that bothers me more is that I actually feel guilty about this, that I was cold. Because when I think of the positive memories between us
-Our camping trips
-our road trips where we went on adventures together
-The moments I was anxious and crying and he stood there by me
-That time we were in an argument, and he didn’t let us go inside to spend time with other people until we solved our own issues
-When he opened up to me about very private things from his past, he had never told anyone.
-When he had that soft look on his face because he wanted to be cuddled
– When he put effort into getting to know my friends, asking questions.
-When we worked together on something, like the planter box we made and painted together
-How much I missed him while he was away on his ski trip for 3 weeks last year.
-How many things we did get through and at the end felt so bonded, like when his car broke down and he was under the car to try to fix it and when he finally came up he looked so defeated, oil in his hair and his cute little face as I grabbed him to comfort him. On that trip he often offered to get me a hotel while he fixed everything, but I always refused because I felt that was a battle I needed to fight with him, and how that meant so much to him, I could see it in his eyes “someone who isn’t gonna leave me when it gets hard”
But I did, I left, because it was too hard to make him see me and I gave up on the possibility. Should I have stuck it through and we would have been altogether so SO much stronger because of it? Did I give up too soon? My mind hadn’t rested in over 8 months though, and he still couldn’t see how his behavior affected me.. I warned him so many times that he was wearing me down, I even told him before that eventually his being late and careless behavior could break me. I told him I didn’t trust him with my heart because I felt he had dropped it too many times, but he still did and just thought I needed to be stronger. jI am just angry he could not fix himself for me. Because we would have been so much stronger if he was able to see how I was growing myself and decided to follow, again did I not wait long enough for him?? This kills me. If he followed me and decided to look within as well we could have been so strong why couldn’t he do it?? He instead let me grow alone, but didn’t even see it and doubted me.
This life is about me now, worrying about him no longer matters and I certainly did it enough to already last a lifetime. But I think I feel guilty to completely let go of the guilt… like I feel guilty for letting the guilt go. I broke up with the person that is all the things I listed above, and yes the bad parts too, but the guilt comes from how I left that person (the list of good memories). He is right the breakup was cold, but because I had to be. It would have been too confusing for us both if I showed my tears and emotions, wouldn’t that of been unfair to him? I was thinking about him. If he was a really sensitive emotional person I would have handled the breakup different and tried to be softer, but if I was soft with n he would have seen that as I wasn’t sure. He would have tried to comfort me, OR WORSE he would have rolled his eyes and left me like that. Maybe I didn’t do it for him, maybe I did it for me, because I didn’t trust his behavior enough to be vulnerable. But I miss him. But I don’t want him back. I want his ghost to sit next to me and comfort me, The essence of him was home for so long and now I don’t have a home, I feel pathetic saying that cause I should be my own home, but what is love if it isn’t allowing someone else to be your home, did he do the same with me? With his actions of blocking me and deleting our picture, unfollowing my community, he must be angry right? I would rather him be sad than angry. Because angry means he hates me, but he should hate his behavior, not me. How is it possible that he doesn’t regret
-saying the c word at my face multiple times
-coming at me about my money with his bad energy and on thanksgiving morning!
-Telling me I waste my time thinking about things that don’t matter
-When I would tell him we weren’t connecting he would just tell me I was wrong or that it was my problem not his, although I doubt he thinks any differently now about this
-He must see that he did not treat me as though he could, he could have been so much softer and sweeter and considerate of my feelings
-He could have been on time to dates, especially ones that mattered extra like my mom’s visit
-He could of tried to show excitement about seeing my family rather than acting like it was a chore and worried he would be bored… he literally told me he would rather go skiing alone.
-He could have tried to engage with me in the deep conversations, sat with me when we entered a vulnerable place and stayed there cause he knew it meant the world to me for him to be vulnerable, I literally needed so much less than I should have accepted and he couldn’t even do that for me
I wish I could erase him from my mind.
Seaturtle
January 4, 2024 at 1:52 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426747seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“I was told that nothing needs to be done and that those fibroids will shrink over time.”
Interesting, and whats more interesting is the majority of women I have told about the ovarian tumor have had one before too! or at least a relative who did, I am thinking they are very common but my issue is it is so large because I didn’t have my first ultrasound until a few months ago when it was spotted. I think it should be part of women’s yearly health to get an ultrasound, my doctor said they don’t get to 15cm over night at it has been growing for several years.
“- think of the effects of this for you, if you volunteered to a lifetime of being blocked in one way or another, leading to an across the board chakra blockage.”
True. and then again sad for him he won’t ever experience a woman who’s chakras are all open to him, a connection a partner of mine will be lucky to experience with me 😉
“- I was impressed myself with this particular crown chakra vibration that went through me.”
I love when this happens.
“- how about combining exercise and the writing (typing) of Love Poems. I remember the one you shared here, I liked it!”
Hmm this is an interesting idea and sounds like it would be a great combination, but I am struggling to get a vision of what exactly this would look like. How to combine exercise and art… I wonder if this was what yoga was providing me with. I have yet to go to another class do to the costs, but I do miss it and think it certainly was healing to my sacral and likely my heart as well! Oh this actually reminds me of the cycling class I used to go to back in washington, I have tried some in my new state but they aren’t as fun as the one I found there. That place was full of good people and they made the cycling into a dance, it was alot of fun, I miss it. I stopped doing it once i met N…perhaps cause he took over for my sacral and heart, something I got used to him providing and now I must find myself. Dancing sounds fun too, but like free style dancing with loud music and people, I’ve taken dance classes and I don’t like to be told how to dance ha. A concert would be alot of fun, but the cost of all these things is more than I have at the moment, after I get my surgery done and recovered I will look into adding another part time job to my schedule for the means to do fun things. I would love to find something I could create that would make money. I am open to ideas.
Seaturtle
January 4, 2024 at 11:41 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426743seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“This is an unexpected development, isn’t it, that the blood work came back inconclusive for cancer. It makes sense to have an MRI as soon as possible (today, tomorrow?) and if the result is a definite no-cancer, then remove the benign tumor alone. If there is cancer, then remove the whole ovary.”
Yes it was unexpected. This morning I decided to postpone the surgery so that I can get the imaging done first, because I want to preserve as much of the ovary as possible. I am a bit in thought/introspective and a little disapointed about how I was looking forward to getting it finally out and now I have to wait longer, also medical bills of an mri, but I think it was the best decision. I am proud of myself for choosing the patient option rather than just wanted to get it over with, an easier in the moment choice.
“* I wonder if a 2nd blood work is a good idea?”
So I said “inconclusive” because it was in a way, but not that doing it again would change anything. There is some sort of point system, that is confusing, but apparently there is only risk if your blood scores over a 5 and mine was 5.1. So my surgeon said she is 99% sure it is benign, but because it scored over 5, they have a certain procedure to follow.
“I just read about symptoms of estrogen deficiency in women. We don’t want hatchling to be moody, irritable or depressed, having hot flashes and night sweats.”
Exactly, I made the right decision for me 🙂 I read alot of studies one women having one ovary compared to two, and apparently there are only slight differences, such as one year earlier to menopause, which doesn’t concern me much. What concerns me is there not being enough research as far as all the functions estrogen has, not only in the reproductive system, but in cognitive function. Women with less estrogen are slightly more likely to have cognitive deficiencies with age, such as dementia. I have to accept that even if it is benign and she can try to preserve some of the ovary, the tumor is 15cm, which is considered very large and I will likely lose alot of it anyways, but hopefully not all! I will keep you updated as I find things out 🙂
“in the last sentence of your original post of this thread, Oct 6: “the inner voice of my higher self telling me it’s not right“, your higher self being your crown chakra, and your inner voice being its wisdom vibrating through you.”
Thank you for reminding me of my last sentence of my original post! It still resonates with me, and I do feel it is very true.
“It led me to a quote that resonated with me and said ‘I write because I don’t know what I think until I read what I say.’“- it’s like I said those words, substituting type for write. ”
-Exactly me too haha, typing is better for me cause I can do it faster and more of it, writing tires my wrists faster haha.
“(2) The thought that he blocked your message, if he did, annoys me,”
It annoys me too, and it also reminds me of his immaturity as well as is teflon… by blocking my number he is literally trying to spray his heart with teflon.. I wonder the affects of this for him.
“(5) Your boredom, desire for drama and excitement, is about having a non-vibrating/ blocked sacral chakra. One way to get it to vibrate is to get engaged in a creative activity (acting in a play would’ve been great).”
It is interesting you bring this up, because just yesterday I was feeling like my sacral chakra needed an outlet, so I went and did a workout. I thought perhaps I could use this energy to get me to the gym? Because I think a main way my sacral energy can be expressed is when I feel good about myself, when I feel healthy and in my body, which working out does do for me. It is interesting that you bring up creative activity as vibrating the sacral needs, because recently I have not felt very artistically motivated or inspired, but this is also because of that lack of energy I brought up in my last post.
“Sex in a new relationship, a relationship approved by a board meeting of all chakras, headed by the crown chakra, is what I recommend for you!”
“A board meeting of all chakras” made me laugh haha, but it is true! headed by the crown chakra! I don’t feel all my chakras are united right now, which would make picking a sexual partner difficult. For example from my post last night it seems clear that my sacral and heart have different desires than my crown. I know little about the other chakras. My heart is not ready to be with another person though, I feel like I would have flashes of N at this point and it would have the potential to satisfy the sacral and crown while harming the heart. I need an activity that my crown agrees will simultaneously satisfy my heart and sacral chakra. Working out though, I don’t think my heart cares for that, I think that activity satisfies crown, sacral and probably root chakra in that it makes me feel grounded in my body.
Seaturtle
January 3, 2024 at 11:49 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426731seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“– this is the first time you are sharing about this.. Is it a non-intrusive surgery aka a minimally invasive procedure? Are you scared, has it been on your mind a lot (although you didn’t share about it)?”
I found out about it just before coming to this platform so I was already out of the emotions of it and didn’t need feel like I needed to process it further. It was a shock when I learned about it, but the fact it was benign and could be removed microscopically, I haven’t been worried about it. Although my surgeon just called me this evening to tell me that my blood work came back inconclusive and so I have two options. She can remove the whole ovary tomorrow, which according to medical studies and her 30 years of work doesn’t affect fertility. The cool part is that the other ovary adjusts and takes on the tasks of both ovaries, however sometimes it can result in slightly less estrogen production (my only concern with this option). My second option is to wait, get an mri to get conclusive results whether it has any cancerous potencio al, if it comes back negative the surgeon could try to separate the tumor from the ovary, however her and the specialist said I would likely lose most if not all of the ovary that way anyways due to its size.
I check in at 11am tomorrow and have a chance to talk further with the surgeon so I will ask her the hormonal questions I have then, but for now I am leaning on getting it all removed, mostly because I just want it out and an mri sounds expensive. I will sleep on it as well. I also didn’t know the surgery was tomorrow until a couple days ago, I knew it was sometime in January but it is sooner than I thought. Until her call with me this evening about the inconclusive blood work, I haven’t been stressed about it, but now that I have a decision to make I am a little stressed, especially a decision I have hours to make.My roommate is driving me and when I went to tell her we ended up chatting for a long time, why I’m awake so late. Anyways at first the conversation was about the surgery, she’s a nurse so she did have some good input as well and her opinion is to get it all removed since the effects of working off one are minimal. She was helpful. Then however our conversation went in to talking about the guy she is currently talking to, and has been for about two months. We spent new years with him and his friends, he is 34 and his friends were around his age ranging to 42. M and I talked about how it’s just funny we didn’t picture our new years being going to a party with people 20 years older than us haha. But it was fun. Anyways her guy is a professional basketball player and just left yesterday to go play in Africa for 5 months, so she is missing him. Her missing him, and telling me about it had weird affects on me about N. I found myself trying to reminisce with her, alot of the qualities that her guy has are very similar to N’s nice qualities. One being physically attractive. She reminisced in their sexual intimacy and I trailed off with her about the good parts. I think it’s healthy to be able to express the good parts right? Or is that destructive for me? I am not missing N. But I do feel I miss parts, which is not all of him so I don’t want all of him but It made feel afraid my future partner wouldn’t be as good as some of N’s good qualities… I hope this fades with time and I do not begin to compare in a future relationship, perhaps if I am comparing I wasn’t ready to move on in the first place..
At first I was gonna go to bed, but I ended up on Pinterest, my favorite app haha, and it led me to a quote that resonated with me and said “I write because I don’t know what I think until I read what I say.” The quote made me feel like I was feeling something I was unaware of, and this forum is where I usually come to express and understand myself more so I came here to write about how I’m feeling.
I am a little indecisive about the surgery and want to make the right decision. But simultaneously I am feeling what I wrote above about N. Oh there is also something I have been grappling I haven’t mentioned here yet, at first I just didn’t think it was a big deal cause I felt I had it under control, but it lead to discovering something else. I texted N on New Years Eve, I don’t regret what I said it was what I was authentically thinking and feeling I said:
“Happy new years Nathan
I deeply miss all the good moments we’ve had..
especially our new years together, both years.
This is not easy by any means at all.. but I still believe it is best.
We will connect again soon for some loose ends but until then I truly wish you the best”I was feeling very sentimental the entire day as that was a holiday that we always took a vacation for and on vacation he would come out of the world a bit for me and we would have some deep conversation and connect more. Problem was he was no longer that person when we were in the real world and would say he didn’t have time for it, he became fearful of conversation again once we would come back to normal life, the majority of our time together. Anyways I feel like I’m trying to defend myself a bit over what you may be thinking.
Anyways the whole reason I bring this up is because the message never sent, and the only reasons a message doesn’t send on an IPhone is either because you are out of service or the other person blocked your number. This is the only contact I’ve had since the breakup, but I’ve also known that I would have to eventually because I left some valuable things at his house that I remembered after. For example…my passport is there hidden in a drawer. Also my snowboarding gear which is easier to let go of, but it is very expensive materials. Although the passport is my main concern. So another thing I’m feeling right now is some anxiety in how I will get that passport if he did indeed block my number.. also why he would do that, you block someone who has done something terrible or won’t leave you alone and I’ve never been either of those things. Perhaps he was just upset I didn’t contact him to change my mind within the weeks after and decided to take some control, something he did not have at all in our separation. I am not sure how this will play out so I am a bit anxious. I will likely have to message his roommate, to give N a warning that I will be there for my things. If he did in fact block me I would expect nothing less that immature attitude which I would not match. And fortunately I don’t need my passport at the moment so I still plan to wait a while, until I feel it’s right, before I try to get it back. But I also worry the longer I wait that he could get rid of my snow gear :/ which is just a bummer but not worth going prematurely. Part of me even looks forward to confidently walking in there for my things and confidently walking out, cause I am sure of my decision and maybe I want him to see that? I mean he has to know since I didn’t contact him in the few weeks after, the typical timeframe if I was gonna go back on my decision. I had to have my mom text him for my flight information so that I didn’t have to, cause I wasn’t ready then. I sent her the message to copy and paste for my information and after he sent it had her tell him that I thought direct communication wasn’t best for now but that we would meet eventually to tie some loose ends (referring to my snow gear at the time I hadn’t yet realized my passport was there until last night I remembered). I had my mom tell N that because I felt bad…and maybe this is something I need to fix in myself because I often remember your metaphor at the danger for the rabbit to have sympathy for a mountain lion (seaturtle and shark). However I still do sometimes, I can’t help but think about the fun and good times that we did have, I think about that version of N and I feel sad for him and even in my heart want to be there for him. Then I think about the reasons I ended things and the other side of him that was manipulative and gaslighting and I have anger towards that version then there’s the fact he didn’t see me, those reasons are why I trust myself not to go back to him, so I don’t fear sending him that message on new years or having my mom text him. But the good side, I feel sorry for. We had good moments that I wanted to pause time to stay in, I think it had more to do with the honeymoon high of loving someone that I wanted to pause though… not necessarily something memorable he did.
I just sense that I see him again for a brief moment to get my things and I am anxious for how exactly it will go. However I know there are options to like have a friend go get it for me but what’s this part of me that wants to go do it myself and let him see me again and what he lost.
As I write this is doesn’t sound the healthiest and I do see flaws, but what’s so interesting about the place of life I’m in right now is it’s like I have access to my higher self vibrations at times but I am not always there, I am certainly at low and medium vibrations the same amount of time. I think I maybe get paths crossed when it comes to pleasure and what is actually the best. Cause aren’t I just a robot if I am always just doing what is best? Isn’t the human part of us that wants to go do something because it makes us feel something? What are the benefits of always doing the correct thing… a higher vibration I suppose, but why does that sound boring sometimes. Anita as much as this is hard to say and even admit to myself right now I enjoy the drama sometimes. But I wish I didn’t if that makes it better haha. I also see people around me enjoying much much more drama than makes sense to me, but then that’s judgmental of me to even think, and comparison is a thief of joy, yet I do it.
I am not sure why I feel so open right now, perhaps the time of night. I wonder if these are thoughts I will resonate with still when I feel in a higher vibration… that is interesting, and perhaps a major tip for journaling. I am wondering if I should send this message or if it is just a complete ramble that I should keep to myself. But perhaps it would be even more helpful to my growth to hear another persons perspective on some of my mind trails.I feel like I could keep going and continue to type my inner dialogue but I am seeing the time and can’t believe how late I am awake. I will let you know the updates on my surgery tomorrow, I am still undecided.
goodnight Anita,
thoughtful seaturtle
January 3, 2024 at 11:10 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426701seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“exactly my understanding: it’s a useful metaphor that helps us understand how we operate and function. I am glad you re-introduced it to me as I find it very useful, thank you!…- I still feel it’s an excellent metaphor and I like using it. Is it okay with you if I use it in your thread as a metaphor?”
You are welcome I am glad you find it useful too and I don’t mind using the metaphor in our thread.
“- confusing only to those with a low vibrational IQ “
I found it interesting that you wrote about “low vibrational IQ” when speaking about N’s IQ was something I wanted to get to.
“(2) He didn’t find conversation a bonding activity means that he finds conversation undesirable or boring or threatening. “
I feel like he found conversation ALL of those things. Sometimes he would be defensive (threatened) other times he would just tell me he couldn’t focus and needed to be doing something in order to listen… (bored) but this was interesting cause he claimed he listened better if he was moving around, but I can’t have a deep conversation with someone dancing around, cause how can they possibly hear you? and understand without eye contact? This frustrated me. He definitely did not desire conversation as we do.
“Imagine that deep, intimate conversations are more scary, in his mind and heart, than real-life danger!”
Sounds terrible, and is so not relatable since I find conversation a highlight of life.
I am not sure if it the sickness I had a couple weeks ago or what exactly, but I have been really tired lately. The smallest tasks are daunting as far as energy, and I have been sleeping longer hours. I want my energy back so that I can give it to myself and do the things that make me happy. Tomorrow I have a surgery, it should be outpatient, as long as there are no complications. I have a benign ovarian tumor that has gotten very big and needs to be removed, so this will take more of my energy as well. I have a lot of goals that I want to set myself on the trajectory for such as vibrational health, I have a feeling it has to do with spending more time getting to know my deepest self. I am not sure exactly how to do this, but I am sure there are things that do not lead to it, such as watching tv, something I have been doing alot in the evenings to occupy my mind. I wonder if it is better for me to have no tv or music on in the background as I do things, such as cleaning, eating, getting ready. I think I believe that the only one in the way of my happiness is me, and I want to gain the strength to stop doing the things that prevent me from my potential to bring light to this world. I want to be more in my body, more aware of my thoughts, feelings and needs. From what I have read online and in books is that getting to know yourself starts with doing things you love, but as I said before my energy has been low and I feel like there are things I want to do that I don’t have the energy for…
Seaturtle
January 2, 2024 at 8:22 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426625seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
I am looking forward to a day to myself tomorrow and will be online in the morning to respond to your reply 🙂 today was my first day at a new job so I didn’t have the time/energy but I am trying to get on a more consistent schedule very soon!
seaturtle
January 1, 2024 at 3:07 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426566seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
I was going back to re-read the message I just sent to further ponder on what came out of me just now. But this time I as I was re-reading I was stopped at something from your reply “his Teflon MO vs your open crown chakra”
-This really is what it was that I could see so clearly, yet not clear enough. In my very first post on here on July 29th 2023, I phrased this concept as:
“N doesn’t really laugh at my jokes, and sometimes he doesn’t even hear or get them at all”
“My flirtation is lost on him”
“I would not say we have the best chemistry”
“N doesn’t really laugh at my jokes, and sometimes he doesn’t even hear or get them at all. And in those moments I feel so so lonely..:/ ”
“sometimes I wish he was just there and wanted to be deep and have long deep spiritual conversations where we tap into our higher selves together and feed eachothers souls!”
“I have been dealing with these small disconnects for a long time”
“we have had sooo many conversations and its like he does change things but not how I feel I need?”
-In all of these phrases I was trying to express how I felt “these small disconnects,” the war between “his Teflon MO vs [my] open crown chakra.” It was hard to describe the disconnection, where I would say something very relevant to the current situation, whether it was a joke or spiritual deep comment or even relevant flirtation, and he could not see the connection I was making. I have not said what I am about to say here yet or even out loud because I feel like it is mean and/or blaming him, which I feel guilty to do… but when he could not see the relevant connections I was making I wondered where his intelligence was in general.. This is hard to describe, but you know when your mind/brain makes a connection, it is sometimes called wit or banter, and sometimes very personal so not everyone would understand, but other times the connection is psychological/historical/philosophical..etc. Like you recognize something happening now that has happened before, I would make a comment like this and N would rarely understand what I was saying or what connection I was making. It made me feel alone. It’s like I would say things out of my open crown chakra and it’s like it would just fall off him, he didn’t get it, he was disconnected in a way, out of touch or maybe lacked the intelligence? to understand.
Seaturtle
January 1, 2024 at 2:32 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426556seaturtleParticipantHappy New Year Anita!!!!!!! fireworks emojis everywhere!
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