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January 1, 2024 at 2:31 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426555seaturtleParticipant
Dear Anita,
Thank you for giving me what was left of your energy in your reply yesterday 🙂 Although I didn’t get to replying again I read it and it gave me a much appreciated boost yesterday!
When I asked you about your stance on chakras you said “- you brought them up and although I have read about them before and rejected what I read, you had this effect on me that I wanted to be open-minded and revisit the topic without prejudgment.”
-As far as chakras go, personally I am not sure whether they are physically real or more of a metaphor that helps us to understand our multi-faceted human selves. I am curious enough about them to discuss it, I don’t want to get too abstract though, because ironically my aura color, an abstract concept, says I am likely to be abstract and need to practice grounding, which feels true to me. I feel like what I just said was confusing but where I am coming from is that I don’t want you to only speak in terms of chakras for me, because I understand your skepticism and I feel the same way.
“– the two of you united against a common, 3rd party/ outside obstacle. Without an outside obstacle to unite you, the inner obstacles (his Teflon MO vs your open crown chakra) come into play. It is similar to a nation at war: citizens who were divided during peace-time get temporarily united during war.”
-wow this is so very true Anita! I remember feeling this way, that if we were in end times of war, or going through some natural disaster, that N would be the perfect partner. It is almost like if there was something that could pull all his attention away from work and money, an adventure that we were both on, that we would bond the way I wanted to with him so badly. Which is why when we were hiking/skiing/camping, even getting trapped on that roadtrip, we bonded. What is also interesting is he would tell me that the way he felt bonded to people was when they could accomplish something together. He would say he didn’t find conversation to be a bonding activity, he wanted to do or build something together. I can agree that accomplishing a task together is bonding, but I needed him to be able to get there with me through conversation but he was incapable. The funny thing is I recently thought of this, if we entered war times I would really want him by my side… I think? He is a good partner to have in survival mode, but not much further up Maslow’s pyramid.
“I wrote above temporarily united. When the outside obstacle relaxes, the pre-existing conflict and turmoil resume.”
-Exactly. Why is he only able to bond in obstacles? What is also interesting is I began to feel like he wanted these obstacles to happen… So he would put us in risky situations! wow.. like the roadtrip that bonded us, his truck broke down before the trip and on a whim he took his dads farm truck, a truck only used on the property for years, it hadn’t received proper maintenance, the transmission falling out was not a shock to him.. but we dealt with the challenge. I am good in challenges as well, I have a part of me that gets into hyper drive and I am ready to do what I have to, and he liked this part of me. And the shroom experience, he was careless with the amount because it’s almost like he just welcomes the obstacles. I literally felt like he would take the hard way out of things for this reason and it is why I stopped trusting him with my heart a while ago. His desire for conflict and fighting together made him take my desires less seriously because they seemed pointless to him.. For example my desire to just sit and have deep intelligent and intimate conversation, he thought it was pointless, he would rather be faced with danger together.. Which! is interesting because I feel like if you are dealing with issues in survival mode, you can’t also be self actualizing and evolving. Wow I am putting things into words right now that I have felt a long time. Ironically I was fearful that, or sensed correctly that he thought I was lazy, because I liked to sit in silence a lot, I needed this time to be introspective and he did not understand why I wasn’t just working for money in survival mode like he felt he had to. I felt he began to resent me for not being in survival mode with him, in fact he even told me before that he felt like he was stuck in survival mode for us and I was living in a “la la land”thinking that I didn’t need to, that I left him there while I was climbing the pyramid (Maslows hierarchy or needs). This is why I got the feeling that he was holding me back.. because he was trying to. He literally made me doubt myself so much! He made me doubt my process of introspection and self actualizing but questioning my methods so often, telling me that I should be in survival mode too, blaming me that he had to be there for us.. but it was never for us it was for him. Because ironically! he thought I was taking “the easy way out” the lazy way of sitting in silence, feeling and introspecting, when really it is much easier to live in survival mode, easier mentally. I have taken the mentally challenging route that looked “easy” and this is where he didn’t SEE me! I so desperately wanted him to see that I was working hard too, all this internal work that I was doing, and him saying “you worry about things that don’t matter” literally was him telling me he did not see me. A message, my higher self was trying to tell me for way long before that came out of his mouth just a couple months ago. He made me doubt myself because he couldn’t see it, the same thing that F did to me for so long. This year I want to believe in myself and grow my self esteem. I can’t believe I was in a relationship that was harming me in that way, again, and this time by choice. What was so confusing though is on the outside, N would tell me that he believed in me and I believed his words, then when I would tell him I didn’t feel like he believed in me he would gaslight me into thinking I just lacked confidence….. He made me believe he believed in me and I didn’t, I was the problem. I am so happy I got out of there.
Anita, I am excited for you to read this very important post where I was able to put so many thoughts and feelings that I have had over the past two years, into words.
Vibrating Seaturtle
December 31, 2023 at 12:24 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426532seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
I’d like to preface this message by journaling my current feelings. In order to prepare to go out with my friends tonight, I let myself sleep in as much as possible this morning, until noon! It felt nice, I woke up quiet and peaceful, but lying in bed awake it was not long before missing N occurred again, the uninvited good memories. I decided that meant it was time to get out of bed, I cleaned a bit and did a neck and shoulder yoga, as I felt tight in my neck. This day is very nostalgic, I have very vivid memories of our new years eve’s together, it reminds me of our first road trip together, 5 months into the relationship. On the trip we faced a lot of obstacles, his truck spun out, but he saved it, then his transmission fell out! we waited 10 hours for a tow truck. The drive was from Seattle to Las Vegas, where he went to college and had friends, whom I liked to spend time with as well. Through the obstacles of the trip we bonded. There was a moment we weren’t sure if we would make it by new years eve, but we pushed through and made it. We were so relieved and that day felt so connected, there were moments we were both there for the other when the other was losing hope.. it was one of the highlights of the relationship, that trip. We met each-others friends and all felt like it fit like a glove. This morning I feel like I am in a medium vibration, the sadness is bringing me down but the memories are happy.. I just miss the friend I had in N and it is actually the first holiday that we spent together both years, that I am not seeing him. What I mean is, we never actually spent christmas day together, the first one we spent before Christmas, the first time I told him I loved him. The second christmas he visited my family after. But thanksgiving, new years, halloween and valentines day, were days we spent together, so this new years is the first holiday tradition without him. It is like his ghost is here (this made tears come to my eyes). Anyways this is the version of Seaturtle who is responding today.
You wrote, “In that quieting, the vibrations of your heart chakra and your sacral chakra become louder and louder, and you yearn for connection and romance.” I like that you are speaking in terms of chakras because I am curious about them, I am interested to know what made you want to do the research on them?
You wrote ” – (1) as a boy, he did or would have done anything and everything to become who his mother/ father wanted him to be. As an adult, he would adjust somewhat to a romantic partner (ex., SAY what she wants him to say, apologize) but not change.”
-I wonder, if we can’t truly change, then why do some of us? I feel like I have changed in many ways, and I know I am a curious person who wants to learn and be better, something N lacks. However, as far as human sociology/psychology goes, why am I more capable of change than him?
” There is always something good underneath any feeling…your desire to be SEEN, a strong and frustrated desire that you had in the relationship with him.”
This makes me hopeful but this “good” thing underneath my feelings, my desire to be seen, doesn’t make me feel better. Maybe that isn’t the goal. I just want to feel hopeful but as much as my HVI believes there is someone out there that will see me in a relationship, I have a helpless voice that tells me there isn’t, this is why I have no desire to go out to clubs and what not cause there is no one there that could see me, or a very low odds, so it makes me feel hopeless. The block party shouldn’t be this way but maybe that is a reason I fear it, although my roommate is at a similar state to me she said she only wants a drink or two, and the people we are going out with is a more mature crowd she met recently.
“- you are welcome, but as I read the beginning of your next post, it led you to a bottomless pit… I will soon read the rest of that post.”
Actually by the time I was getting to bed I forgot about the video! sad.
“- heart and sacral chakras vibrating loud!”
I wonder how I can sooth these chakras.. I will look it up.
“What is likely, in my estimation, is that he will end up with another woman who will try to change him… and fail.”
So then he will continue the self fulfilling prophecy that he is not enough?
You wrote “– for some balance/ bigger picture (I am addressing your crown chakra with the following): “Please help me, my mind hasn’t rested in 8 months” (July 29, 2023). Eight months back from July 29 is Nov 29, 2022, so your mind hasn’t rested last New Year, in between a few fun experiences.”
It is interesting you phrase it this way “I am addressing your crown chakra,” I think this is the answer to a lot of my internal torment. Addressing my crown chakra does pull me out of where my heart and sacral take me too far into. I won’t delete it now, but above I wrote something again about missing him this new years eve and this response is all I need for that, I feel better now than I did at this beginning of writing this post. Thank you. You are right, as much fun as NYE was, the new years did not bring me peace.
– let us bring all the parts of Seaturtle together for a discussion for the purpose of quieting that shuddering and fighting (against memories and images), and promoting comfort, the feeling of safety, and wisdom:
You wrote “Your favorite line from the song is: “If I’m (Hatchling) not here for me/ She (Seaturtle) will be there“- Seaturtle: don’t leave hatchling alone at this time.”
-I needed this reminder
“Seaturtle’s crown chakra is needed this New Year Eve and New Year Day. It will be a good idea to start the new year with HVI provided by a hv crown chakra.”
“Would you like to tell me your thoughts this Sun morning, so that we can hopefully proceed with this discussion?”
Yes, I am sorry it is later than morning and hope to hear from you today, but yes I would like to awaken my crown chakra further in order to stay in a high vibration in this inevitably challenging day and night.
Happy New Year’s Eve Anita!
Seaturtle
December 30, 2023 at 9:20 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426524seaturtleParticipantHi Anita,
I wanted to write a journal entry while I am feeling sad. When I respond in the morning after I’ve had breakfast it is easier for me to be in my high vibration self. Right now it is 10pm where I am and I’m just having flashes of the good memories with N. It is the time I want to check on him and reach out. It is also the time I ache when I think of him with someone else. But what hurts more is imagining that he will find someone else shallow like him, and think that all along I was in the wrong and did too many things based on feelings. That he will end up with someone who like him, makes fun of “over feeling” aka another Teflon. It hurts to think of him loving someone else. I know in this moment we are both in pain and that future is far away and not helpful to think about but just like the good memories, they seem to appear in my mind uninvited.
tomorrow night is New Year’s Eve, a night I spent with N two years in a row. They were fun memorable nights and even writing this is making me feel the emotion of a deep sadness of missing it. I know it is normal, but that doesn’t bring me much comfort right now. I thought about spending the night alone but my roommate invited to me go out to a block party, and she bought me a ticket which was really sweet! But now I feel obligated and I am having doubts about going out, we will inevitably drink alcohol and I don’t want it to make me feel worse. However the alcohol does make the socializing more fun, and if I don’t have any I might just be wanting to come home all night. Being sick through the holidays is still slightly lingering in me and making me fatigued. Part of me wants to stay home and sleep, another part thinks I should spend the time with my friends so that I am not home feeling worse, but like I said going out with them it is implied to drink, be social and stay up late, all things I don’t really want to do but it sounds more fun than being alone on the holiday and fighting memories or the idea that N is out having a new years kiss (shuddering eyes emoji) I feel very uncomfortable, like the actual feeling that is the opposite of comfort. The opposite of N being a phone call away from laying with me on the couch and feeling safe.
I am hoping for a very restful sleep tonight with positive dreams if any, and wisdom in the morning.
Seaturtle
December 30, 2023 at 10:41 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426490seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
When I told you about my dad being selfish with his time and denying that he deserved to take any responsibility, you wrote “His explanation that he was under the impression that you were free only in the morning reads like something he came up with after your conformation, so to (retroactively) excuse why he didn’t keep his word to you, or why he misled you.” Your response does resonate with me, that he did come up with his explanation after, and I believe it was this “searching for what to say” expression on his face, that caused me to just let it go, because when I see that face of “searching for what to say,” to me, what is coming out of their mouth is not authentic so there is no longer a point to continue the conversation, instead I need to just accept what it is.
And yes I am glad too! That he helped me financially.
You wrote “if you regain that hope.. you may fall back in-love with him.” I agree with this wholeheartedly. It is the one hole in my confidence about ending this with him, I keep filling the hole with why we broke up and what I deserve in the future, but it feels like this hole is a bottomless pit, as I keep having to fill it! The hard part is it needs to be filled in my weakest moments, as I am about to fall asleep, when I am alone.
“Well back at you because this made me smile for the first time today and I have been awake a few hours!“- back at you again (smile, Sun 9:30 am)
-we could continue to pass this smile back and forth hahaha
“But there are women who will be okay with a superficial relationship, or women who will compromise their deeper needs.”
-Not sure if it is even productive for me to be thinking about this but I have. I predict he will more likely end up with the former, a superficial relationship. Because I think he will likely shy away from someone like me, with deeper needs, since he probably won’t trust her not to end it eventually. But that superficial relationship will leave a hole in his heart, where he will remember me and he will have to fill that hole with how I never would have been fully happy with him (in his words probably that I don’t love him for who he is, with lack of change). He would need to change for a deeper relationship to be possible, but if he was going to change he would have done it for me, I don’t see why he would change for someone else… (my fear.. but a fear I am feeling shame about right now)
“I wonder if you look like her, dark hair and eyes.. and so majestic”
I do have darker features similar to hers actually 😉
“The music is lovely. The words: “..once you told me/ If something’s missing in me/ To go and find it in you“- you wanted to find it in N, a deeper connection, one where he’d SEE you and the missing part of you… but he refused.”
-I like your analysis and agree here.
” “If I’m not here for me/ She will be there“- I don’t understand this part..? ”
-This is actually my favorite line! to me, “She” means Seaturtle. Hatchling says “If I’m not here for me, Seaturtle will be there for me” 🙂
“Look how you found me/ Searching for messages from you“- searching from messages from her, the girl you were, (the girl I was.. the boy that N was), so to become more whole, so to become high vibrational people.”
-An interesting fact is most/if not all of this artists songs were written out of the pain of a hard breakup! N found me looking for messages from him. “Look how you found me/ A broken part enough for two/ For me and you
(I love this part, “a broken heart enough for two,” I had a strong enough heart to share, until I couldn’t anymore…)I wish I was her for good…Messages from her/ Messages to her (what it is really about and what I will always come back to and now, I hope to stay now that I am aware of her).
I watched a portion of your Christmas present, thank you 🙂 It is beautiful! It almost put me to sleep haha, I will use it when I need to wind down and maybe to go to sleep tonight! I like to pretend I am a seaturtle swimming, seeing all the beauty under there.
I missed you too Anita, I am excited to be back and continue this journey and get back to journaling here 🙂
Seaturtle
December 28, 2023 at 9:51 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426467seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
I wanted to let you know I am flying back home from holiday tomorrow afternoon, if I don’t have the energy to respond tomorrow then I will the following morning 🙂
I feel bad I have been inconsistent on this trip, I regret not bringing my computer cause I would have come here more. It is hard to respond and quote with my phone, so although I’ve wanted to or had the energy I just haven’t wanted to do it on my little phone screen.
I will listen to your Christmas present on the plan tomorrow 🙂talk soon,
Seaturtle
December 23, 2023 at 9:01 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426319seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your compliment, it makes me feel validated that you see me and that I am growing!
“- keep your crown chakra as open as it is now, and you will avoid CB (Chakra Blocking) situations.”
-I am certainly striving for this openness and seeking ways to do so.
“– You felt at that time, for the first time, that he was careless with you. A bad trip .. could have been the totality of a lifetime with him being a bad trip…”
-When I read this it was scary because it feels true.
“In regard to seeking a Buddhist community, you wrote: “I do think that I should and will“- try with n open crown chakra.”
-I will be very intentional when I try out a Buddhist community, is there a specific reason it would be more beneficial with an open crown chakra?
“Nobody is at their top performance at all times, that’s for sure, so a seeing man will be blind at times. Look for patterns and overall seeing-ness.”
-This is helpful. Just this morning during my meditation I was asking for guidance to tell the difference between someone who is capable of seeing versus someone who is not, that appears as if they can be taught.
“– a very interesting family. Don’t try to change either part of the family: enjoy philosophy with your father’s side, and empathy, with your mother’s side. Don’t try to get your deeper needs met by any side of the family, is my strong advice. Enjoy the companionship, food and conversations. Merry Christmas!”
-Thank you for the advice I will appreciate both sides for who they are and not expect more.
-By the way, I ended up having breakfast with my dad yesterday and it went well. Although first of all he did an out of touch thing, that he often does, where he schedules something over the time with you and then needs to leave early and you ask why and he makes it like you miscommunicated. He said he had the whole day friday to do something with me then suddenly the night before he said “so I am up for anything I just have a golf round at noon.” I was frustrated and told my sister and my little sister said he did the same to her last weekend, said he would do something with her, then he canceled and went and did that thing with his girlfriend instead! I confronted him a little and asked “were these noon plans planned recently?” and he said yes and that he was under the impression I was only free in the morning, which is not exactly what was said but worked for him to believe. Instead of more confrontation I just decided to accept he was too out of touch/unaware to see his selfishness.
-We enjoyed our breakfast together and had nice conversation, it was deep and insightful about certain topics. Then I told him about my financial issues and he gave me the money I needed for rent and a medical bill, as a gift! with no payment plan back, he has never given without those strings before.
“N will use your false guilt to your disadvantage. This part of you that wants to make amends to N may lead to your destruction.”
-I will keep this in mind. Also interesting, I have had several dreams about N, and in every one we try to be friends and it always left me with some sort of negativity, I think my dreams are telling me something. And you are right that I cannot change what is happening in his family.
You quoted me: There is a huge part of him that wants to be loved, his mom did not show much affection and his dad was aloof. I want him to be loved…”– (1) Hope can reawaken, (2) As you reach your hand to him (with caring, loving intentions).. he may cut it off.
-What do you mean by hope can reawaken? When the voice of doubt, of my decision to leave N, comes I am able to reason it away every time. I either think of what I do wish for in a partner that was not in N, or I think about those moments N shut down my feelings or attempts to bond with him deeper. One of these voices of doubt is that N will self actualize and become the man I needed him to be.. is this what you mean by hhope can reawaken?
“- yes, reading this had just brought a smile to my face for the first time today (and it’s almost noon!)”
-Well back at you because this made me smile for the first time today and I have been awake a few hours!
“– if your only or main chakra was the sacral chakra (the chakra associated with sexual energy, from what I read), then a highly vibrated sacral chakra would have made you the happiest woman in the world.”
-Does a woman like this exist? is this who N will find as his partner?
“(1)Watch that addiction to N. This addiction is not gone for good. It can awaken in a circumstance such as sitting besides him during a plane flight,”
-My trip home so far has certainly made me feel things that I did not predict. Soemthing actually my dad told me a long time ago that holds very true “you can predict and plan alot of things but one thing you cannot predict is how you will feel.”
-First, feeling sad/disapointed he was not at the gate at the airport, this feeling surprised me, but thankfully I was distrcated by some conflict on the airplane, then I went into my own space and when I landed I had breakfast with my Oma (grandma in German). It was her first time hearing about why the breakup happened, and I stepped in to my strength again speaking about it.
-Second, The evening. Since he was planned to be on this trip there have been moments where I am enjoying it with my sisters completely, but then I get this dose of wondering how much more comfortable I would feel if he was there to. It has continued every night I have been here.
-Third, before my breakfast with my dad where he gave me the money I needed to feel safe, whenever I was anxious about money I would miss N, not because he would pay for things, there is no way I would have let him pay my rent. I just missed him saying “it will all be okay just enjoy your time with your family, we will figure it out.” As I am typing I realize the answer is for me to say that to myself… there is just a lonely feeling associated without him.
-Fourth, when we are having fun. Whenever my sibblings (with hometown friends/cousins) and I are having the most fun, I find myself wishing N was here to experince the joy.
I will create a new email address for this platform to be extra safe, I will likely get to it after this trip if that is ok with you.
I wonder how you liked the song/music video?
Merry Christmas!
I hope my inconsistent messages are not causing you stress?
Seaturtle
December 21, 2023 at 6:35 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426285seaturtleParticipantHello Anita 🙂
I just wanted to let you know I am home for the holidays until the 26th. And N was not on the plane! He didn’t show up, not sure what is going on for him. I was surprised to feel that I was actually a bit disappointed not to see him… I didn’t expect that feeling. But then I sat to two really nice girls about my age and it took my mind off N long enough to minimize the sadness I felt. I listened to high vibe music and watched a tv show I love. I was a little sad again last night, thinking about what this trip was planned to be with him here… then we watched the new grinch cartoon and I was surprised to feel like I saw N in the child version of the grinch when he goes home to no loving family Christmas and that is what makes him the adult mean grinch. Thought that was an interesting connection and it makes me sad for him. I have spent the majority of the time here so far with my sisters and it feels nice, but I still have a simmering anxiety that kinda shows up and fades. I am fairly certain the anxiety/sadness is about N, not having his presence and feeling alone.
I will read and reply to your message soon, but my online times may vary while I am home.
happy holidays!! 🙂
Seaturtle
December 19, 2023 at 11:59 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426223seaturtleParticipantOne 0f my very favorite songs, and music videos is called “messages from her” by -Sabrina Claudio, I think you might enjoy it Anita. It is playing on my youtube tv right now!
December 19, 2023 at 11:58 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426222seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“The thing I want more than anything in my life right now is friends who are like me in this way, like you, but I need people in person… I am ready to meet people who can raise my vibration and teach me“- maybe a Buddhist community in your area will be such a place where you can meet in-person others with chakra/ vibration-level awareness?
-You know what, I have actually looked into this. But something held me back and I am not sure what, but I do think that I should and will.
“Interesting. So it’s the dynamic of someone having expectations for me, and my desire to complete them and win their love. I need to be careful of this dynamic“- yes. If you tried hard, early on, as a hatchling, to make your (figuratively blind) father SEE you, and you failed, the desire to make him see you didn’t die. It awakens with the next figuratively blind person in your life (N) who reminds you of your father in some ways (such as his focus on making money).
-So in other words, as long as the next partner I am with is not a “figuratively blind person” then that desire/dynamic won’t awaken in me?
“So when I arrived in Portland last weekend“- wait, I thought that your parents lived in WA… they don’t?
-They do but I fly into the Portland airport.
You wrote in response to my dads message “– I hope so.. I am impressed by his wording, wow.”
-I am very skeptical of F, he confuses me though. He taps into this understanding at times, but then the scary part is he can leave the space at any time. I don’t think he has the bandwidth to see all of me, like you said earlier “- they have a narrow logic/ understanding and when SEEING you requires a wider logic on their part, they don’t try to expand their understanding, but reject the required understanding as ridiculous, something not worthy of their time and effort.” And I hope it is not a manipulation I am not seeing through, but I feel like he is becoming aware that there are things he can’t see, and things he missed. Like the small dinner we had when he was in town for a golf trip, remember? the tears in his eyes when he asked me “so how did you go from being a jock to this artist?” I want to be skeptical of tears, like you have said before and like N would show when it was convenient for him, also my dad was drinking that day. But then when I was in town recently, he soberly, in the morning, at the intermission of my sisters performance actually, he asked that question again. As if it is something he has certainly asked himself, like how did he miss the signs that I was an artist, a very significant part of who I am. Recently he has also admitted to me that he was not present in our childhoods, he said “you guys wouldn’t have been able to tell but when I played and laughed with you guys typically I was thinking about work and stressed about the mortgage.” In my head I remember thinking “we knew.” Another way he is out of touch is with my brother, he takes no outward responsibility for my brothers suffering and loss of self, my dad thinks it is because of my mom or some mental illness. Anita, it is so strange my dad, sometimes he feels in touch and other times he is completely robotic. I told him this once when I was in High-school that I saw him as two people, the comment went over his head, but I have always felt this with him. He is also the person actually that got me to look towards eastern philosophy, such as the author Eckhart Tolle, he gave me the book “The Power of Now.” and my uncle, his right hand man at his company, told me about the book “untethered soul.” In my family we speak about philosophical topics of these books, my dads side of the family, the same side that is “out of touch.” I am excited actually to go home for Christmas cause I never know what kind of conversations I will have with my family members on that side. My dads side is philosophical and out of touch, starting with my grandfather. While my mom’s side is highly empathetic, yet also socially out of touch, overly affectionate and hyper-emotional.
You quoted me: “It is confusing because he still gaslights and is someone I have to be cautious of but in these moments I feel Am I being naive? Is he all Shark?“- I don’t know. It is difficult to say because an important part of his work is one-to-one PR, isn’t it? And being as successful as he is, suggests to me that he is versed in saying all the right things to the right people, talking their language so to draw them in.. I don’t want you to confuse Style (him talking your language, the italicized above) and Substance (him believing in the italicized above).
It’ll be interesting to hear (or read) how he talks to people who think very differently from you…
-Yes in his line of work he has to talk to people in their language. What is interesting is when I was home last, after the conversation about N sort of ended and we were still in a deeper space talking about his girl L, I asked him “Are you ever afraid that you accidentally carry your work self over to your personal life and manipulate family how you have to your clients?” He called it a grey area (this is where I stay skeptical of F, but I try to still listen with love because he is, I believe, trying to be as honest as his Mo will allow) basically he said he manipulates for a living and it is bound to bleed into his personal life. But then he sort of started to talk about money, he changed the topic to something he was more comfortable in, you know somehow the conversation turned into how the government manipulates and covid is made in a lab blah blah, I could see right through it, it was him really saying to me “I lost power in the conversation and now I am taking it back.” I let him go on but then just said that topics like what he was talking about make me sad, I asked “why do you like to talk about these negative things?” and he said “They make me feel grounded.” Then we realized we needed to leave for my sisters performance, we got lost in conversation actually and were almost late! lol.
“– Being mostly Teflon (not asking why or listen to the whys) is his way to NOT feel pain . Understanding further (asking why) is your way to.. not feel pain, or to lessen your pain. Same is true to me: the more I learn and understand, the lesser my pain.”
I told this to N, when we were together. He would say that his way was the stoic way to peace, to be unbothered. that was his excuse to stay there. Inevitably I finally listened and left him there.
“- your mother paid for yours and N’s flight?”
No, just mine.
“- I bet you can ask at the ticket counter- if not earlier- to be seated elsewhere and you can explain why. I assume the flight crew is interested in preventing conflict between passengers.”
-For some reason I feel like I should just let what happens happen… I am not sure why but there is some part of me that wants to make amends and allow a friendship if he is capable. I am not sure if this is wishful thinking, but I just wonder if there is some way for me to be there for him if he is struggling. His family is falling apart right now, he does not like to be home his sister left and his brother bullied him as a kid. He just does not have anyone very genuine in his family, except his sister who is aloof, staying away from the bad vibrations that is their home.
“- wait, are you saying that you fell out of love with N?”
I am no longer “in-love” with him. I gave up hope that he is the right partner for me. But I do still love him as a person, and I care for him. There is a huge part of him that wants to be loved, his mom did not show much affection and his dad was aloof. I want him to be loved. I don’t think he loves himself very much, I think he did more when I first met him, he took himself to yoga and took care of his body in a self love type of way, fed himself well, he cooks very well, but that is as deep as he loves himself.
“– I think that all people are .. shall I say, created-in-the-image of a high vibrational self, and then things happen that lower the vibrational level for the great majority of people…Which reminds me- I JUST realized- my personal connection to sea turtles from the time I was a child:….the camera followed sea turtles from the time they hatched out of their eggs on the shore, to the time they reached the ocean and after, detailing all the dangers they faced…This is how I view mental- emotional health/ vibration level: it’s lowered and lowered for most from the time we come to be…I don’t believe in destiny, as in there is someone special for you, pre-destined for you. I hope that as you date again, you will look for the vibrational level of the man…making each other shine brighter together than alone.”
-I loved reading about your beliefs and connection to seaturtles! It reminded me of a nature video I remember from childhood, despite my lack of memory as well, the video was about penguins and their life from conception- young adulthood. lol just a random memory but funny both of us remembered some nature documentary following young animals… cause we were one too!
-Do you think you are getting closer to your higher vibrational self, that existed before many things out of your control that lowered it?
-I hope I will seek a vibration rather than a man as well. I want to develop the eyes to see vibration before I am able to fall for the earthly physical things. With N, the problem was that I fell in love with a lot of things that had nothing to do with vibration. He is first of all a very beautiful man.. the most beautiful on the outside that I have ever dated or even see in real life. He is 6 foot 7, has beautiful thick golden hair, and just a strong and sturdy build. Just like the clay molds of a greek god for goodness sakes! It made it so that I was attracted to him, despite a very deeply intimate connection (aka vibrational attraction). I just need to remember a relationship will bare more fruit in the long term if I hold those from my eyes at the beginning and instead try to feel an attraction through other ways that are not purely physical. He was also fun and had positive qualities, it was definitely not all physical I wouldn’t of stayed if he was boring.
“– amazing, I wrote the above (“making each other shine brighter together than alone”) before reading this. So, indeed, you are better alone than together with N, and the right man for you is one with whom you will be better together than alone.”
-I love our “amazing” moments Anita! Exactly, I am better alone. He was like candy that I was addicted and attached too that was harming me inside, unhealthy. I already feel my glow and strength returning to me. I cannot wait (well I can for a while but you know what I mean haha) for someone to glow brighter with, I am just excited it is still in my future and that that wasn’t all there was for me, something I started to believe..
“”You wrote yesterday: “Speaking with you on this platform has raised my vibrations“- same here: speaking with you has raised my vibrations, thank you!!!
-This makes me very happy 🙂 and yes I am currently in AZ.
Seaturtle
December 19, 2023 at 10:57 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426219seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“As I am re-reading about how you felt living with N, I am thinking this morning: there really is no (good/ healthy) reason for you to place yourself in that situation again, for crying out loud!”
-I know right. I only hope that I am able to gain the wisdom, insight and foresight, to avoid situations like this. If I ended the relationship any earlier than I did, I believe I still would have had doubts and questions. But it truly took me two years to see, which is the scary part. Although I feel like we were meant to meet and grow together, the first year we were together, it wasn’t until the end of year one that I had my first doubt that something didn’t feel right. I remember it too. We had been together actually, only 5 months I believe. And on a whim we decided to try shrooms together. Something he had done before but was my first time. It was a bad trip, until the very end was sort of fun. Anyways after that experience I began to have my first feelings of doubt that I could trust him. I despised the thoughts because I did not want them, I wanted him to be it. So I told myself it was unfair of me to not trust him since we had a bad experience, just because he had done it before didn’t mean it was his fault or that he knew, I should have done my own research to know how much to take, cause that was the problem we took too much. But I remember feeling like I wished he had put more care and planning into such a vulnerable space he was taking me to. He was careless with my spirituality, and that is what the voices of doubt were trying to tell me… realizing this now.
I am going to respond to the rest of your post in a separate box and let this be by itself, fill free to respond before I reply to the rest.
Seaturtle
December 19, 2023 at 10:48 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426218seaturtleParticipantAnita,
I am reading and responding to your reply now 🙂
Seaturtle
December 18, 2023 at 9:23 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426176seaturtleParticipantDear Anita,
“- you mean quitting both N’s is a small price to pay for Chakra Opening (CO), right?”
Yes.
You quoted me: “This reminds me of… a phrase from a poem Megan wrote ‘I will always be in the love with the man you will never become,’”- so she will… never be in love with the man he is.
-Precisely, and I fell out of love with the man who did not want to grow with me and instead wanted to question my growth and hold me back from it.
“- almost everyone has potential for a higher vibrational self. Not just that man, not just N. It’s just that you happened to see it in N. But the potential may have a very low probability to materialize.”
-Anita, do you think any two man and woman at their high vibrational selves can fall in love? Or that there is a special, maybe a few in a lifetime, special match for each of us. A match that many times, and I personally think, we never meet if we don’t meet our own high self.. what do you think of this?
You quoted me: “I tried to raise his vibration, but instead mine was lowered”- relationships should be Win-Win, but it has been a Lose for you.
-I feel like if/when we do run into each other he will see this. If he ran in to me today he would see it, I am lighter without him. Even my literal physical skin has cleared since moving out and then ending the relationship. I was starting to break out for the first time in my life, and yes I learned new things about the new state I am living in and made some changes, but I know the relationship was having a toll on my physical body.
“Speaking with you on this platform has raised my vibrations, and therefore made me even more incompatible with N. wow I just realized this as I wrote it.”- Wow…! This is very special; it will take me time to absorb this…!
– 🙂
““The thing I want more than anything in my life right now is friends who are like me in this way, like you, but I need people in person. So far, I have been the one sharing my vibrations and insights with others, but I am ready to meet people who can raise my vibration and teach me”- reads good. By the way, I can imagine you and I meeting in real-life. I don’t want to mention locations (and please don’t mention such yourself), but I think that we’re geographically close.”
This made me light up when I read it! Anita I would absolutely love to meet you.
Happy Seaturtle
December 17, 2023 at 12:09 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426159seaturtleParticipantAnita,
“He said with words that he wanted to grow but he didn’t with actions and I don’t think he sees the value in it, but why? So this is a huge value I have for a future partner: curious about life and a want to grow in wisdom and understand meaning in human life“- It is easy to say words.. maybe the why (above and here) is that it’s way easier to reject things before consideration (the Teflon Mind) and it is way easier and simpler, in the short term, to not consider the meaning in human life, etc.”
-Perhaps it is easier but isn’t it more painful? I am not teflon, so perhaps I just don’t relate at all. Is his MO, teflon? that is something about him that likely won’t change?
-When I say more painful, I mean ignoring the meaning of why something happened, or why I behaved a certain way would make me feel stifled, like I was holding something back and needed to just burst. But he just let’s stuff just slide right off of him and not wonder about why or where they came from, being numb to the world sounds like the most lonely and pointless life, a waste of life itself if I may.
“I am feeling clearer now than I did last night and this morning“- good, that was Fri morning. How are you this Saturday?
-This Sunday I woke up a little stressed and here is why. Yesterday I asked my mom to text N asking for my flight confirmations, after all she did pay for it so I told her to text him “can you please send me her flight information that I paid you for” he did. This morning I went to see if I could choose a seat on the flight and realized there are no other seats and since we booked together and have the same confirmation I can see his flight information as well and we are sitting next to eachother…I figured he would cancel the flight since his family lives about 4 hours away from the airport by my family…but I suppose with the holiday flights perhaps he has no other option but to fly in and take a train to his home. But this puts us on all the flights and layovers together and I really don’t know how to feel about this. When I saw this I froze in time for about 30 minutes just not sure what to do.
“- how is your knee today, and did you do yoga? Yoga’s chest and shoulder opening poses are excellent for opening the heart chakra: I do one such every morning.”
My knee is moveable, and I was able to go on a little bike ride, but it ended up not being good for my sickness. My knee is badly bruised still, so I can move it but I can’t do like cat-cow yoga poses or anything on my knee, which is limiting. The yoga classes I have passes to are all hot yoga, and I am not sure if that would be good for me or not… I no longer have a fever or sore throat but I have just been too congested to go to work still, and I have a persistent cough. I am trying to stick with my beliefs that things happen for me not to me. So that I don’t go to far down the road of “I had such healthy plans for this week but instead have not been able to move my body much.” I have done stretching each day, short time, but yesterday I did some core exercises and pushups. Today I will look at some heart chakra yoga on youtube.
With love,
Seaturtle
December 17, 2023 at 11:53 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426157seaturtleParticipant“– You said it. So the question is to be you or to be only a small part of you, because the price to pay for a life with N is that a huge part of you will be caged, not allowed to be.”
You wrote: Put in another way, the price for a life with N is blocked chakras. From mind valley. com: “Your chakras can be blocked by life challenges. It can manifest as something physical (like a never-ending migraine) or even emotional (like self-doubt). Here are a few more blocked chakra symptoms that are telltale signs you need to open your chakras: * Difficulty sleeping * Difficulty concentrating * Chronic depression or anxiety * Mood swings * Trouble communicating * Difficulty connecting with others * Feeling ‘stuck’”-
“– How many of these symptoms did you experience while living with N?”
All of them. I constantly had bad dreams, I had a short capacity for concentration on anything other than our relationship, I felt anxious about him hurting my feelings (like being late or not understanding me), I felt depressed that I thought I should be happy and I didn’t know why I wasn’t! My moods would swing, one day I would feel anxious about us and how we were going to spend our time together because I so badly wanted to connect, then other days I found an inner strength and just went with the flow. I would freeze up when trying to express myself, not because I don’t know how but because I would be repeating the same thing for the nth time and freeze to wonder how else I could phrase it so he would understand how something made me feel or why I thought a certain way (try to take his mask off). I constantly felt “stuck” so much so that I started to think that was normal and it became a familiar feeling.
You wrote: The source continues to list the seven chakras and the symptoms of blockage for each chakra. Here are a few symptoms of a blocked chakras that (I think) you experienced with N: “Feeling you are not good enough the way you are” (a blocked Root chakra), “The distrust that you can be loved for being you” (a blocked Sacral chakra), “Giving your power away to others as you feel this is necessary to keep peace in relationships (a blocked Solar plexus chakra), “Fear of commitment and feeling like you have to please others to be loved” ( a blocked Heart chakra), “Frustration because you don’t feel that other people hear what you have to say” (a blocked Throat chakra), “Disconnect from your intuition” (“Telling the difference between gut and fear“!), a blocked Third eye chakra.
-This is all right.
You wrote: In regard to a blocked Crown chakra, I can imagine you experiencing these symptoms if you resume the relationship with N long term: “* Loneliness, insignificance, and aimlessness *A strong attachment to material possessions and achievements (and define yourself according to them) and a disconnect from the spiritual side of life *A lack of connection or guidance from a higher power * Feeling unworthy of spiritual help and angry that your higher power has abandoned you“.
-I agree and this is what I feel whenever I begin to second guess my decision. That is how I knew I was ready to break up with N, because, similar to when I tried nicotine, the two N’s (lol) felt good for a minute but then they harmed my spirit, the essence of who I am. I have such a deep desire to hear my inner spirit guides and act in alignment with my highest self, that these N’s were a small price to pay to have such clarity within myself.
you wrote: Back to your yesterday’s post, I wrote to you about N: “What he heard (in his low vibrational/ closed crown chakra state), was that you accused him of something or that you said something he didn’t like, so his response: to deflect”, to redirect you”, and you asked: “is this the Teflon?“. My answer: yes. Like Teflon rejecting oil, N rejects anything you say that doesn’t feel good to him.. before he lets it in for consideration.
-This reminds me of a recent interview; Drew Barrymore, interviewed Megan Fox. And at one segment Drew asked Megan about a phrase from a poem Megan wrote “I will always be in the love with the man you will never become,” She articulated so well that she has been in love with someone who was stuck at their lower vibrational self, but that she could see his potential, however she had to leave the relationship. I feel this way with N. His higher vibrational self would be a perfect match for mine, which is so heartbreaking. I tried to raise his vibration, but instead mine was lowered. Speaking with you on this platform has raised my vibrations, and therefore made me even more incompatible with N. wow I just realized this as I wrote it.
The thing I want more than anything in my life right now is friends who are like me in this way, like you, but I need people in person. So far I have been the one sharing my vibrations and insights with others, but I am ready to meet people who can raise my vibration and teach me.
You wrote: In regard to the shark/ sea turtle imagery, you asked: “Why do we miss things that harmed us? just because of familiarity?“- I’ll answer with an example from my life: I’ve known this woman in real life who is routinely critical and rude to me and to others (that’s her MO). Thing is, I like her very much and for the longest time, I tried to please her, to get her to like me back. Why? Because when I was very young, I tried to make another critical and rude (to me) person to like me back: my mother. The woman sort of reminded me of my mother back at a time when I very much loved my mother and tried to get her to love me back.
-Interesting. So it’s the dynamic of someone having expectations for me, and my desire to complete them and win their love. I need to be careful of this dynamic, but this is the one with my father. A dynamic with someone like my mom would be more like over-coddling and wanting to nurture them…although I almost feel like both of these dynamics were involved in my relationship with N.
You wrote “– The Teflon mind rejects X (something you say) before it considers it. ” and I remember the sensation I felt when I wanted to bring something up, but had an inkling that he would not like it, I felt I was on egg shells all the sudden. But (same as F) when I tried to tell N I was on eggshells he thought that was ridiculous. Both N and F think they are very approachable, but in fact they are the opposite. Because if what you approach them with falls outside of their logic, then it is hard to get them to understand. However I think my dad has possibly expanded his ability to see…
So when I arrived in Portland last weekend, my dad picked me up from the airport. Something that seems like an obvious jester but for my dad is a big deal, the fact he never asked me to get an Uber was surprising to me and my sister and mom when I told them. He often takes convenience for himself over showing affection or kindness to others. Anyways, I was nervous to tell him about N, and not sure how detailed I wanted to be. I was afraid that the traits I was leaving N for, were too similar to F for him to see what was wrong with the behavior. He took me home and made me breakfast. About 30 minutes after being home he asked me “how’s N?” this was the moment I was waiting for to naturally say “We aren’t together anymore.” My dads face was blank and shocked for about 30 seconds before he even said “wow.” I began to tell him why and I started by saying he just wasn’t honest with himself. Still unsure about how much I wanted to tell F, I based how much on his understanding. I went on to say we would have arguments then we would get home and I would want to resolve them and he would act like nothing happened, my dad was listening, so I went on. I told him about the cash situation and the c-word situation. I felt energized by the conversation, and I went on to the deeper reasons, I talked about how I had been doubting the relationship for a long time, I talked about this forum and you Anita :). I told him what I told you when I said “you know how you can tell someone something, and if they aren’t ready to hear it they won’t? Well this was my higher self to me this year, I knew it but wasn’t ready to hear it and it took until the cash and c-word incident for me to see that this relationship was only holding me back from the growth I wanted in my life.” My dad listened and responded, asked questions. He asked me if it was ok for him to ask me about his relationship, I assume since he saw that I was able to see things clearly in my relationship, maybe I could help him. He spoke about how his gf L, has two little boys that he does not want to be a father to and that he has told L, but she still wants to be with him, yet she also expresses that she wants security in marriage, but that he would not want to move in till her little boys were old enough. I was very open with him and pretty much said if he wasn’t accepting of her kids then he didn’t accept all of her so that was not true love. He could see this but was clearly not ready to end the relationship. He kept saying that the ball was in her court, but knowing my dad I knew he was probably emotionally manipulating her to stay and giving her some false sense of security, but I didn’t tell him this at this time.
Our conversation sort of ended there because my little sister wanted me to come talk to her while she got ready for her dance performance. Once I got back home on Sunday, I texted my dad later that evening
“I have been thinking about what we’ve talked about and you may not want to hear this (do not read until monday lol) But I woke up with some clarity, that’s; if you love L, then what she needs is either you to fully commit (kids and all) or let her go (so she can find someone who will, because she cans till find that as it stands now). You keeping her on the hook is selfish of you (I am not judging you, I know this feeling and if you stay with her I will not judge at all because you deserve to be happy too). Those two options are what is best for her, and as someone who loves her I think to end this “in-between” stage, one of those options need to be chosen by you. To fully commit or let her go to someone who will.”
Anita, I am telling you this so that you can understand a little bit more, and help me understand as well, my evolving relationship with my dad. He responded to this message with a heart and kissing emoji, so I am sure is probably brushing it off, as he did the email I wrote him back in april about my feelings of abandonment by him. As I spoke to him in my higher vibration about this and my relationship at one point we were talking about money and he brought up how an occasion that he lent me money for school and blah blah blah, I could completely see that he was only trying to take the power back in the conversation but it really had nothing to do with what we were talking about so I didn’t engage and was able to bring him back to where I was…
Most significantly, he messaged me randomly on Wednesday
“Hey, I just want you to know I’ve been thinking about you and our conversation alot this week. A lot of things have been on my mind but the one that stands our the most is just how damn proud I am of you.!! You took the time and went through the pain to search yourself and ultimately find the voice of your truest self. You honored your whole self. The result is less important than the patient process you allowed yourself to suffer through. And at the end of the rainbow what did you get? A self assurance in your decision making. An empowered belief that you have the resources to navigate life’s challenges. May you are tougher than you think, kid (kissing emoji) Love you, proud of you (heart and kiss). ”
I don’t want to want his validation, but there is still a part of me that wants F to see me and I honestly feel like he did see me a bit here, right? It is confusing because he still gaslites and is someone I have to be cautious of but in these moments I feel like there is a part of him that I can have a relationship with. Am I being naiive? Is he all Shark?
I will continue my post in a separate box.
Seaturtle
December 15, 2023 at 11:51 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426111seaturtleParticipantAnita,
“I wish you had in-person/ irl emotional support right now so that N does not seem to be your only option for irl comfort, and so that you don’t make a decision to contact him out of desperation.”
Yes me too. I think this is a particularly vulnerable time for me being sick and having to worry financially, when N would have my back if I was sick. He was kind and would tell me not to worry about the money right now and just to get better. Later I would probably regret having needed him, which is how I would also feel if I asked my dad.
“- You are having a difficult time, Seaturtle, in multiple ways. Can you ask your father for financial help, since he has plenty of money?….And are you taking care of yourself physically/ did you see a doctor on zoom or whatnot?”
He would lend me money if I asked but it would come with strings, and I would feel obligated to act in a certain way towards him again so that he felt gratitude for it. He has lofty expectations for gratitude, ways that I have to behave around him that can involve hatch in her cage…
I have not seen a doctor because I have had this sickness before and have been self medicating, but I have been taking care of myself best as I can. Drinking fluids, eating protein, showering, painting. Today I think I will attempt some yoga floor work at home that does not hurt my knee.
Seaturtle
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